VP89
Pogba's biggest fan
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£80m was cheap for him even 7 years ago.7 years ago. Its broke the world record fee by quite a margin. If we sold him the year before we would have got £100m.
£80m was cheap for him even 7 years ago.7 years ago. Its broke the world record fee by quite a margin. If we sold him the year before we would have got £100m.
Look at this thread and see the names that are being mentioned and you'll realise its slim pickings. In what world is Kroos leaving Madrid to come to us? Verratti is a total no go zone. The clubs that have these players are clubs that won't be selling them. Or we're gonna end up in a situation where we get Mangala + sterling.But the Pogba money is so supremely stupid that it needn't be spent on 4 average players, most of us would settle for 2 really good ones. It's not like there are no examples of teams swapping one great player for several good ones is it? Juventus did just that with the Zidane money - they bought the likes of Thuram and Nedved and had plenty of success.
We definitely will, he'd need to turn into some freak of nature or flop badly for us to give up on him.You think if we get Pogba, we'll keep him for his career like Juve did with Nedved/Buffon?
Well yes but only we have had the power to see into the future then.£80m was cheap for him even 7 years ago.
Well, as it seems he'll have to choose between us and Real Madrid this summer. I guess that if he chooses us, it will be a well thought decision and he won't ask to leave after a season or two. Until Mourinho was appointed, most people believed that De Gea was already a Madrid player and that we renewed his contract only to get a higher fee. Which isn't the case.When we had SAF we weren't ahead of Real by way of attraction.
4 years into that contract, if Pogba has a year left, we won't recover much of the fee.
They got Ronaldo for £80m. That's cheap as chips. I don't know about you but I thought it was quite low a bid to go for at the time.
Absurd that you think we could get Draxler, Kante and Payet for 120m EUR. Payet alone would got for £80m given that he seems happy there and no EPL clubs need to sell players they don't want to anymore. Wolfsburg got ~£50m for KDB and I would expect them to sell Draxler for a comparable amount.Real, City, PSG are a few big names who don't seem to be in the running for Pogba at this price.
Can we name a set of players we can get for €120m and justify Pogba against that?
Draxler, Kante, Payet can all be bought under this budget. A ball winning midfield engine, advanced midfielder that can play central or wide, and an actual winger to compliment Martial. It would give us different options in unlocking a defence.
I would rather buy these 3 than Pogba alone. What other concoction of players would you buy that would be better than buying Pogba? Or, do you think Pogba alone is the best way to spend €120m?
Note: I know money is no object to Man Utd, and we pay dividends to the Glazers that makes this sum look normal. Its not a question about affordability though, its just rational thought, where would you spend €120m? If all on Pogba then fair enough, but I'd like to pick your brain on why.
I don't think buying Pogba could remotely elevate us to those team's level.We don't need 2-3 more top quality players, our squad would be too stacked.
Buying Pogba for £100million is a total statement to everybody else and it could elevate us to Bayern/Barca/Madrid level.
Kante and Pogba are completely different players.... why do so many people think that he is an alternative???Sell Rooney to China, buy Kante and some change
Bit lost here. Why can we not get all 3? And if not we can sub say Draxler for mahrez (reportedly has a cheap buyout). Activating mahrez and Kante buyouts should leave around 60m for Payet. Or even James Rodriguez.Absurd that you think we could get Draxler, Kante and Payet for 120m EUR. Payet alone would got for £80m given that he seems happy there and no EPL clubs need to sell players they don't want to anymore. Wolfsburg got ~£50m for KDB and I would expect them to sell Draxler for a comparable amount.
Secondly, those three players would not improve us as much as Pogba. Kante has had one good season but is very defensive minded and we don't have the creativity in midfield to justify playing such a defensive minded player. Payet would of course improve us (assuming he carries on this form, again he has only had the one excellent season) but he would take Martial's place and nobody wants that. Draxler is a good player, but again is inconsistent and who would make way for him?
I am a Pogba supporter and here is why. Our biggest weakness at this point in time is CM. Specifically a player that can pick the ball up in midfield and drive forward, taking on players and pick out a killer pass at the end of it. Pogba is one of the best in the world with those specific attributes already and will only (probably) improve. I can think of no way to spend 120m that will have a bigger impact, and that is ignoring the de-stabilizing effect of signing 7 first team players in one window.
Herrera-Schneiderlin-Pogba
Micki-Ibra-Martial
Has excellent balance as well as very good talent. It would be one of the most energetic midfields in the world and if Schneiderlin rediscovers his form then it will dominate most games. Herrera can obviously be rotated with Carrick/Basti if more nous/experience is required.
Whilst I generally would agree with this, I'm still not overly convinced with regards Pogba's ability to dominate or control a game, nor with his temperament. Money in the English game is at a ridiculous high right now, and I can see the merits in spending this much on one player if he were to be head and shoulders above anyone else in the league. I'm just not sure that Pogba is that man. Unfortunately, there really aren't too many options for us given the availability (or lack thereof) around at the minute, especially for a team that has no CL football next season.Absurd that you think we could get Draxler, Kante and Payet for 120m EUR. Payet alone would got for £80m given that he seems happy there and no EPL clubs need to sell players they don't want to anymore. Wolfsburg got ~£50m for KDB and I would expect them to sell Draxler for a comparable amount.
Secondly, those three players would not improve us as much as Pogba. Kante has had one good season but is very defensive minded and we don't have the creativity in midfield to justify playing such a defensive minded player. Payet would of course improve us (assuming he carries on this form, again he has only had the one excellent season) but he would take Martial's place and nobody wants that. Draxler is a good player, but again is inconsistent and who would make way for him?
I am a Pogba supporter and here is why. Our biggest weakness at this point in time is CM. Specifically a player that can pick the ball up in midfield and drive forward, taking on players and pick out a killer pass at the end of it. Pogba is one of the best in the world with those specific attributes already and will only (probably) improve. I can think of no way to spend 120m that will have a bigger impact, and that is ignoring the de-stabilizing effect of signing 7 first team players in one window.
Herrera-Schneiderlin-Pogba
Micki-Ibra-Martial
Has excellent balance as well as very good talent. It would be one of the most energetic midfields in the world and if Schneiderlin rediscovers his form then it will dominate most games. Herrera can obviously be rotated with Carrick/Basti if more nous/experience is required.
If he is Mourinho's choice for the midfield what Real Madrid think is really irrelevant. If Mourinho truly wanted Kante as his main man in the midfield, we would have got him by now. Apparently, he's doesn't.If Real Madrid are scared away by the price of Pogba, then we really should be worried on how much we are willing to spend on him. He is a very, very good player, but not really a difference maker. There are other options for midfield, starting with Kante.
alternatives to spending 120m on him not an alternative to pogba.Kante and Pogba are completely different players.... why do so many people think that he is an alternative???
If you read my initial reply, you'd see that I said as long as we kept Pogba under contract. So we would ensure that he never runs down his contract by providing regular contract extensions.4 years into that contract, if Pogba has a year left, we won't recover much of the fee.
OK fair enough yeah. But I don't think it's easy to lock him down on much of an upgrade or pay rise when hed already be joining on 300k pw. Football is a fickle thing and we aren't Real Madrid by way of an absolute end goal for players. If he wanted real initially now, then it will be itching him for the rest of his career.If you read my initial reply, you'd see that I said as long as we kept Pogba under contract. So we would ensure that he never runs down his contract by providing regular contract extensions.
Correct in that if Madrid are reluctant at that price, it would be a warning, but then Madrid doesn't NEED him to make them better like we do. They already have a top class midfield and it would be hard to shoehorn him into a balanced midfield, unless they start selling guys like Kroos & Isco. Kroos looks to be a possibility to move, but still the slots are limited and they actually have very few needs.If Real Madrid are scared away by the price of Pogba, then we really should be worried on how much we are willing to spend on him. He is a very, very good player, but not really a difference maker. There are other options for midfield, starting with Kante.
I think he wants Barca or Madrid, but yes that's right. I think the Mino is trying to Pogba to come here for a few years and then move to either of those clubs later. That enables us to get Pogba now, gets Mino a large payday, Pogba can prove himself in the PL after all these years while working under Mourinho and it allows Pogba to finally get his "dream move" to either Madrid or Barca.OK fair enough yeah. But I don't think it's easy to lock him down on much of an upgrade or pay rise when hed already be joining on 300k pw. Football is a fickle thing and we aren't Real Madrid by way of an absolute end goal for players. If he wanted real initially now, then it will be itching him for the rest of his career.
I understood totally, just found it funny that you went in so technicallyI meant there was 20 mil appearance based fee. If he is doing so so, he would cost 60 mil = that poster's valuation of Verrati.
If Sanchez can't even make enough appearance to trigger the appearance fee then he must be injured a lot or stink up the place. Bayern had to pay 40mil up front anyways.
Price difference between Verrati vs uncertain potential can't be 20 mil in this market?!
Looks like crap cause Rooney is in it and Mourinho has already said that he would never play him there.De GeaThat team on paper to be looks very solid (if this transfer can actually be pulled off)
--Valencia-----Smalling-----Bailley---------Shaw---
--Schneiderlin--
--Rooney-------Pogba----
----Mkhitaryan-------------------------------------Martial-------
--Ibrahimovic--
A few people have said that the defence lets us down but I feel (based on Bailleys critics) that we have a young talented CB partnership.
Over the past few years, we set out to replace our aging squad. And that transition is looking complete.
The depth we have in talent is getting there now and I for one, am very excited.
Spot on and was about to write similar to this. Not forgetting we'd be buying a 23 year old yet to hit his peak who could get our midfield general for perhaps a decade or so. Worth every penny if we can get him.Payet is 29 and West Ham would ask for something like 70 mil Euros. Draxler is highly inconsistent and yet Wolfsbug would still want 60 mil plus Euros for him .
Neither of them play in the position we are trying to sign ,but in positions we have already addressed this summer.
For once ,it actually looks there is some planning behind our transfers and people just want us to spend on a random bunch because we can use the money better.
Some people seem to think thats its only Juve that would charge us a premium.Spot on and was about to write similar to this. Not forgetting we'd be buying a 23 year old yet to hit his peak who could get our midfield general for perhaps a decade or so. Worth every penny if we can get him.
I'm a firm believer in the 'It's not my money' argument. The clubs have outlandish amounts of money these days anyways and does it really make a difference how much a player costs? If he improves us, I'm happy with whoever we buy for whatever the amount.It's not my money, but I'd rather spend it on Kante and a deep midfielder to partner him.
Kante and Kroos for example, wouldn't cost anywhere near that.
That would be great - re Griezmann, but he is happy in Madrid I think which is the most important thing to consider with high profile players. Pogba on the other hand is open for a move.This man can't be worth £100m. Would rather get Griezmann for that amount and put him behind Ibra or on the right. Rooney being in an advanced role is as big a hole as the one we have in midfield anyway.
Yeah I've never got the "not my money" argument. So if we spend £100m on Ibra that's fine cos it's not our money? Would £400m be fine cos it's not our money?It's not my money, but I'd rather spend it on Kante and a deep midfielder to partner him.
Kante and Kroos for example, wouldn't cost anywhere near that.
Thats some inception shit you pulled there.I've never got the "I've never got "not my money" argument", argument.
Thats some inception shit you pulled there.
Obviously, if the club want to do it it's their money and if they think it's the right thing to do then I'm all for it. He's a great player.Yeah I've never got the "not my money" argument. So if we spend £100m on Ibra that's fine cos it's not our money? Would £400m be fine cos it's not our money?