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This is even dumber than crying, "Cars kill people, we should ban cars!"

Maybe if local governments put public notices on TV, radio and social media every time someone like this idiot shouts her mouth. These public notices would cover safety and storage, some horror stories from around the counties and states. I would also like them to recall people's memories to incidents like Columbine, VT, Aurora and Sandy Hook. A full court press on the public about the right, responsibility and dangers of firearms.
Anti smoking campaigns were lost on the boomers and the health hazards were not really accepted until the physical ailments of smoking were there on tv and in the media, generation x got the message. Look at the large majority of young people now who have not taken up the habit. Gun control should be sold to the public as a health hazard (it certainly has the kill rate to justify it) but acceptable to own.
I heard last night, though I have not checked the statistic but 3% of gun owners own 50% of the guns. This is the scary thing for me. I accept people owning a gun for home protection but anymore than three guns should require a special license reserved for collectors, hunters and dealers. This license would require stringent checks by local authorities and random checks, like a health inspector.
 

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This is a video a taxi driver made, starting at the Mandalay Bay as the shooting is going on. It's so surreal and the calm and somewhat nonchalant behaviour of the driver even after she's been told what's going on by the people who were at the concert makes it even weirder. Although I realize of course that you can't really blame someone for how they react in a situation like that.


What the feck is the taxi driver on? Jesus christ.
 

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Finally this thread got to the real issue, and only took 1180 posts.

Cowboy movies are unrealistic, and Hollywood directors are lying to us.
Really? And here's me growing up thinking Marshall Earp and Bat Masterson cleaned up all those 'cow towns', by introducing temporary banning orders/gun laws that prevented people entering the town precincts with one (never mind multiple) weapon each...

What a disappointment, all my childhood illusions about the Wild West blown sky-high, I will never be able to watch another John Wayne(clean up the reckless west singlehanded) movie in quite the same way... still I suppose you learn something new everyday!
 

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His brother just gave a 33 minute long rambling interview to the press outside his home. It's morbidly fascinating. One thing's for sure, he was absolutely loaded. His brother was laughing at the idea that people might be surprised he could have got a load of heavy suitcases to his room. The hotels seem to give him "comps" for everything and the bell-hops would have known he was a high-roller and would do anything for him, no questions asked.
I’m always surprised/intrigued that whenever some sort of terrible event happens in the US the relatives of those involved are often willing to do interviews straight away!

I was thinking the same thing when the recent serial killer’s mom was interviewed about her son. Tod Koelhep I believe it was.
 

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What the feck is the taxi driver on? Jesus christ.
It's like she can't acknowledge what's going on even after sitting for several minutes hearing what she herself says is automatic gunfire and then having several people scream in horror about what's happened.
Then at the end when she knows what has happened, she's been told over the radio to not go back to that area, she says herself that she's not going back, yet when the guy in the back offers her $100 to go back she's like "wait what, $100!?"..

I looked on google maps and New York New York which is the place the guy asks her to take them to is literally two blocks away from the concert venue. Why TF does he want to go there?? At first everyone in the car just screams at the driver to get them as far away as possible, then 5min later this one guy goes "I'll pay you a lot of money if you take us back", and then 30sec later following that up by bashing the driver for not taking the deaths of a lot of people seriously..... :confused:
Then she's got the fecking nerve to ask for money for the fare... I hope for her sake that she was seriously high.
 

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It's like she can't acknowledge what's going on even after sitting for several minutes hearing what she herself says is automatic gunfire and then having several people scream in horror about what's happened.
Then at the end when she knows what has happened, she's been told over the radio to not go back to that area, she says herself that she's not going back, yet when the guy in the back offers her $100 to go back she's like "wait what, $100!?"..

I looked on google maps and New York New York which is the place the guy asks her to take them to is literally two blocks away from the concert venue. Why TF does he want to go there?? At first everyone in the car just screams at the driver to get them as far away as possible, then 5min later this one guy goes "I'll pay you a lot of money if you take us back", and then 30sec later following that up by bashing the driver for not taking the deaths of a lot of people seriously..... :confused:
Then she's got the fecking nerve to ask for money for the fare... I hope for her sake that she was seriously high.
Some people just don't care as much as others.
 

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Really? And here's me growing up thinking Marshall Earp and Bat Masterson cleaned up all those 'cow towns', by introducing temporary banning orders/gun laws that prevented people entering the town precincts with one (never mind multiple) weapon each...

What a disappointment, all my childhood illusions about the Wild West blown sky-high, I will never be able to watch another John Wayne(clean up the reckless west singlehanded) movie in quite the same way... still I suppose you learn something new everyday!
Remember that movie where the gunslinger is told to put his cigarette out on health and safety grounds? No, me either.
 

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JOHNSON CITY, Tenn. -- Federal agents are trying to determine why a man pulled over for speeding in Tennessee was carrying a cache of weapons including two submachine guns and 900 rounds of ammunition.

Deputies found Scott Edmisten, 43, of Johnson City, carrying a .357-caliber Magnum, a loaded .45-caliber semi-automatic, a .223-caliber fully automatic assault rifle, a .308-caliber fully automatic assault rifle, more than 900 rounds of ammunition, and survival equipment, Washington County Sheriff Ed Graybeal said.

Graybeal asked the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms to help investigate, since the automatic weapons aren't registered and lack serial numbers. He told CBS affiliate WJHL that Edmisten had apparently modified the AR rifles to make them automatics.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tennessee-traffic-stop-man-arrested-fully-automatic-weapons-ammunition/
 

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If you were questioning if there was anything significant about attacking a country music concert:

Las Vegas Gunman May Have First Planned to Attack Chance the Rapper and Lorde Concert

Stephen Paddock rented condos overlooking the ‘Life Is Beautiful’ festival last month, a senior law enforcement source tells The Daily Beast.


LAS VEGAS—The gunman who murdered at least 59 people at a country-music concert on Sunday might have originally targeted another Las Vegas music festival held the previous weekend, according to a senior law enforcement source.

Stephen Paddock rented multiple condos overlooking the annual Life Is Beautiful Festival, which this year was headlined by Lorde and Chance the Rapper, said the source, who is not directly involved in the investigation but has been briefed on its progress.

In an effort to confirm the report, The Daily Beast visited the Ogden, a 21-story luxury condominium tower with a line of sight to the concert-grounds.

“We're not in a position to confirm or deny anything about Mr. Paddock's dealings. I suggest you contact Metro [police]. As you know this is an on going investigation,” said Melissa Warren, public affairs officer for Fais Foley Warren, owner of the Ogden.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/las-v...to-attack-chance-the-rapper-and-lorde-concert
 

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I’m always surprised/intrigued that whenever some sort of terrible event happens in the US the relatives of those involved are often willing to do interviews straight away!

I was thinking the same thing when the recent serial killer’s mom was interviewed about her son. Tod Koelhep I believe it was.
The best one was Uncle Ruslan:

 

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I’m always surprised/intrigued that whenever some sort of terrible event happens in the US the relatives of those involved are often willing to do interviews straight away!

I was thinking the same thing when the recent serial killer’s mom was interviewed about her son. Tod Koelhep I believe it was.
The national and local media vans camp out outside their homes, block the entire neighborhood's traffic and monitor, report every single thing they do until they come out and talk to them. There's no way to avoid it.
 

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The national and local media vans camp out outside their homes, block the entire neighborhood's traffic and monitor, report every single thing they do until they come out and talk to them. There's no way to avoid it.
Bleedin' 'Murcia.
 

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However, it must be left to their discretion because a federal law forbidding entry to a casino/hotel to anyone carrying a weapon would be challenged on the grounds of the fecking second amendment.

And I can't really see any owner alienating such a huge percentage of their clientele.
The first part wouldnt work. The Property owner rights trump a guest. If the property owner , in this case a hotel, says no guns then its no guns. 2nd Amendment means feck all in that case becase property owner rights > guest rights.
 

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The first part wouldnt work. The Property owner rights trump a guest. If the property owner , in this case a hotel, says no guns then its no guns. 2nd Amendment means feck all in that case becase property owner rights > guest rights.
I think property rights of an owner to eject any client they want trumps the second amendment. Businesses would have to do it as a mass alliance for it to work and have metal detectors on their doors. Consumers could choose to goto 'safe zones' or 'gun zones'.
I meant that it's up to the hotel's/casino's owners to deny entry to anyone carrying firearms. They have that right, as property owners, certainly. What I'm saying is that they cannot be compelled to deny entry by federal law - because that could be seen as the government infringing the right to bear arms. And judging by the trend of Supreme Court rulings on the matter, that is how it would be seen.

If the owners decide that banning guns from their own property is a good idea, they can do it, sure. I don't expect they will.
 

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I meant that it's up to the hotel's/casino's owners to deny entry to anyone carrying firearms. They have that right, as property owners, certainly. What I'm saying is that they cannot be compelled to deny entry by federal law - because that could be seen as the government infringing the right to bear arms. And judging by the trend of Supreme Court rulings on the matter, that is how it would be seen.

If the owners decide that banning guns from their own property is a good idea, they can do it, sure. I don't expect they will.
Ah I misunderstand your point, thanks for clarifying. I see what you mean
 

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The crux of the matter is that hotels in Vegas are only one of about a billion areaa, where you can target huge crowds.
Exactly. Even if all hotels implemented some kind of restriction on guns, he would just have found another place to kill.
They need to get rid of the guns altogether if they want to prevent these incidents.
 

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Is it possible to change the 2nd Amendment or is there an Amendment that prevents anyone changing any of the Amendments and they all have to stay the same for eternity?
1) An amendment can repeal another amendment (21st repealed 18th to end prohibition)

2) The 2nd Amendment is part of the Bill of Rights. The Bill of Rights was created as a way to list the rights that individuals already possessed before government existed. Rights in the Bill of Rights can be limited, but not eliminated.
 

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Is it possible to change the 2nd Amendment or is there an Amendment that prevents anyone changing any of the Amendments and they all have to stay the same for eternity?
Article V in the Constitution regulates the passing of Amendments. It needs 2/3 majority in each Senate and House, and then needs to go to the legislatures of each state and be ratified by 3/4 of those. So it's a pretty much insurmountable hill at this point.
 

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1) An amendment can repeal another amendment (21st repealed 18th to end prohibition)

2) The 2nd Amendment is part of the Bill of Rights. The Bill of Rights was created as a way to list the rights that individuals already possessed before government existed. Rights in the Bill of Rights can be limited, but not eliminated.
Article V in the Constitution regulates the passing of Amendments. It needs 2/3 majority in each Senate and House, and then needs to go to the legislatures of each state and be ratified by 3/4 of those. So it's a pretty much insurmountable hill at this point.
Thanks. As far as I can see the Constitution and Bill of Rights have virtually ensured that Americans will always be allowed to carry/own guns.

Surely though they can bring in a law to exclude machine guns {and such types) from ownership without breaking the terms of the BOR.
 

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There was a man interviewed on npr earlier. He was at the gun store where the killer bought many of his 40 odd guns. He was there to sell his large collection of guns saying he could no longer be part of it. They asked him about him giving up his guns (he was obviously crying) and then moved onto gun control. He struggled a lot. His family members made a living selling guns.
 

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There was a man interviewed on npr earlier. He was at the gun store where the killer bought many of his 40 odd guns. He was there to sell his large collection of guns saying he could no longer be part of it. They asked him about him giving up his guns (he was obviously crying) and then moved onto gun control. He struggled a lot. His family members made a living selling guns.
Have you got a link?
 

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FFS! A wall wont work, people can throw things over it, or tunnel underneath it, get a ladder and climb over it, or make a hole in it, or even just get a fecking boat and ignore it altogether (the way most immigrants and drugs enter the USA btw)

What you feckers need is a DOME! Just like The Simpsons had and that average Stephen King book (and even worse TV adaptation) had.



Sorted.

I'm sure Canada and Mexico will gladly help pay for it. Actually, the way Trump has been I bet there's a shit load of countries happy to help donate for it. Should set up a GoFundMe for it.
I know a wall will never work but my point is to try to smuggle guns to Australia only with boats and I’m sure would be hard as hell, here will be easier and the criminals would buy the guns, not as much but they would.
 

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I know a wall will never work but my point is to try to smuggle guns to Australia only with boats and I’m sure would be hard as hell, here will be easier and the criminals would buy the guns, not as much but they would.
Prawn boats and bouys used to work for Thai-sticks back in the day - or so I heard.