Shooting in Las Vegas

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Shit my daughter was at Luxor not long ago to watch Cris Angel
 
There we also thoughts that it might be drug cartel related. McVeigh was arrested something like 90 minutes after the bombings, stopped for a traffic violation, at that point no actual suspects had been identified

No actual identification but initial BOLOs were seeking Muslims with brown skin color. I was in Texas and I remember everyone going nuts. This was something like two years after the initial WTC bombing, and not too long after Khobar Towers bombing. Islamic terrorism was gaining ground in the media and minds.
 
I hadn't realised the festival was on the other side of Las Vegas Blvd, that's a long bloody way. I thought it was right next to Mandalay.

Yeah, looks closer in videos. Looks more like that spot of land just to the left of Luxor. Probably just the building being bigger than you expect.
 
Am noticing a bit of a kerfuffle on twitter about the media being slow to label this as "terrorism". Do they have a point? My own take on is that you can't call something terrorism unless it's done to further a specific agenda. And until we know this agenda we can't call what's happening the act of a terrorist. Thoughts?

Yeah we should wait and see if he's just mentally unstable or has some sort of affiliation / agenda before the labels come out.
 
he was on the 32nd floor, so hes at least 320 feet away, probably 400 if he was firing into a crowd he was overlooking
I hadn't realised the festival was on the other side of Las Vegas Blvd, that's a long bloody way. I thought it was right next to Mandalay.
thats why I was asking. Are automatic rifles capable of shooting that distance? I genuinely know jack shit about guns other than it hurts to get shot
 
:( Awful news.

Just watching the news coverage and they said its the deadliest mass shooting in history. So many lives have been ruined forever because of the actions of one evil person.
 
It may be odd to you but I'm not alone in that camp.

What's odd is that in your own words you "couldn't care less" about this incident and yet you still took the time out of your day to come in this thread and tell everyone that. If you truly don't care then you can easily demonstrate it by not posting in here.

I fully understand people who say they're not surprised by this, mass shootings being horribly common in the USA, but comments like yours are completely unnecessary.
 
The initial furor after the OKC bombing was Islamic terrorism. I remember BOLOs looking for persons of interest that were described as Muslim. When McVeigh was initially arrested (for a firearm in a car if memory serves) he wasn't considered a suspect because LEOs/FBI were looking for Muslims/brown persons of interest.

Took a bit for McVeigh to be charged as evidence piled up. Same for Terry Nichols.

No one knew the Unabomber's actual identity for years.
 
What's odd is that in your own words you "couldn't care less" about this incident and yet you still took the time out of your day to come in this thread and tell everyone that. If you truly don't care then you can easily demonstrate it by not posting in here.

I fully understand people who say they're not surprised by this, mass shootings being horribly common in the USA, but comments like yours are completely unnecessary.

He had to make sure we all knew how superior he was to the rest of us who still care.
 
Some guy who was at the concert is on CNN claiming he was agnostic and this incident convinced him of god.

No atheists in the fox holes (except for the actual atheists who are in the fox holes) or something like that. Could easily work the other way around, could really make one not believe in a god.
 
thats why I was asking. Are automatic rifles capable of shooting that distance? I genuinely know jack shit about guns other than it hurts to get shot

Most of these things can fire about 350-450 metres (effective range). If you want to know the details just google the gun he used and the term "effective range".
 
Terrible news, there is need for some form of control on arms because people shouldn't just find it this easy to commit mass murder.
 
10 guns in his room. At what point do American's think that letting people have legal access to an arsenal of weapons may be a bad idea? fecking mental.
I have 6, most are shotguns but this guy if has a mental problem and with a pilot license he could used a airplane as a weapon which would be worse.
 
Has any motive been established yet?

If the suspect had 8 pre prepared loaded guns, then this was obviously pre meditated, and not a coked up gambler who was mad because he had just gambled away his life savings.

If its pre meditated, its highly likely the shooter is wanting to make a point through his actions. Hence its most likely terrorism, by any definition of the word.

RIP to those who died.
 
No atheists in the fox holes (except for the actual atheists who are in the fox holes) or something like that. Could easily work the other way around, could really make one not believe in a god.

And that's where I'm kinda getting at. I don't understand how death and destruction can be around, you survive, and that makes you believe in god. Surely it should be the opposite. Or am I being logical/rational in my thinking?
 
thats why I was asking. Are automatic rifles capable of shooting that distance? I genuinely know jack shit about guns other than it hurts to get shot
Yes, it just wouldn't be very accurate. Bullets quite literally raining down everywhere into the crowd. Probably impossible to judge where/when to run.
 
I have 6, most are shotguns but this guy if has a mental problem and with a pilot license he could used a airplane as a weapon which would be worse.

May I ask why you need to have 6? Am curious.
 
Some guy who was at the concert is on CNN claiming he was agnostic and this incident convinced him of god.

Sorry person on CNN, moron of the day already went to the shooter.

Try again tomorrow.
 
10 guns in his room. At what point do American's think that letting people have legal access to an arsenal of weapons may be a bad idea? fecking mental.

Guns don't kill people, people do. The guy could have as easily have thrown knives at a couple of hundred people. From 300 ft.

Am I doing this right?
 
Has any motive been established yet?

If the suspect had 8 pre prepared loaded guns, then this was obviously pre meditated, and not a coked up gambler who was mad because he had just gambled away his life savings.

If its pre meditated, its highly likely the shooter is wanting to make a point through his actions. Hence its most likely terrorism, by any definition of the word.

RIP to those who died.

Vast majority of “lone wolf” gun massacres in the US are premeditated. Arguably all of them. There’s even a phrase for it. “Going postal”. Because of a disgruntled ex post office employee who murdered a load of people he used to work with. It usually takes planning to carry something like that out. Absolutely no reason to assume premeditation = linked to terrorist agenda.
 
I have 6, most are shotguns but this guy if has a mental problem and with a pilot license he could used a airplane as a weapon which would be worse.

WTF? I mean really WTF? I mean I know 9-11 and a few cases of pilot suicide, but let's be real here and there are far more cases of mass shootings then attacks made with peopel flying planes into crowds or buildings.
 
Tell that to the french
What a fecking appalling reply.
Difference between France and the US is that France doesnt have as long and as consistent record of mass shootings as the US does. The last 5 mass shootings in France all being motivated by terrorism. The US has mass shootings at schools, public and civic events. The school mass shooting record in the US being particularly horrendous. The US has a serious problem and people such as yourself use the most pathetic arguments to deflect from that. Your comment about Pilots being as equally pathetic and cowardly argument to use.
 
What a fecking appalling reply.
Difference between France and the US is that France doesnt have as long and as consistent record of mass shootings as the US does. The last 5 mass shootings in France all being motivated by terrorism. The US has mass shootings at schools, public and civic events. The school mass shooting record in the US being particularly horrendous. The US has a serious problem and people such as yourself use the most pathetic arguments to deflect from that. Your comment about Pilots being as equally pathetic and cowardly argument to use.
I said he could had used an airplane and as far I remember using cars as weapons for terrorism is something new and easy to obtain unlike an airplane which he would need a license to pilot at night.