Do you actually think this?Season is pretty much gone. We could have a short term bump and push us in contention for Top 4 with a new Manager bounce. But I'd rather they look at all options and take their time rather than panic into a mistake. Imagine it'll be cheaper getting rid of ETH in the Summer too.
Wake me up in a few months.
Who’s he selling? Donny? Jadon?It's good that ETH will sell of the few remaining bits of quality in the squad in this window, so that when the Next Rebuild does happen, even more buying will be needed.
Varane and CasemiroWho’s he selling? Donny? Jadon?
Any good sources on these two?Varane and Casemiro
I don't remember which exactly, but it's been on the news feed thing on my phone for months. Also seen Varane out threads come up on the front page here repeatedly.Any good sources on these two?
So no, then.I don't remember which exactly, but it's been on the news feed thing on my phone for months. Also seen Varane out threads come up on the front page here repeatedly.
Think in both cases INEOS want to offer them a renegotiated deal on lower wages, which both players don't like the sound of.I don't remember which exactly, but it's been on the news feed thing on my phone for months. Also seen Varane out threads come up on the front page here repeatedly.
“Build properly” with even more demoralised and conditioned players who have then had even more mediocrity imprinted upon them? That’s the definition of fixing the front whilst the back-end is in disrepair. There’s also a swathe of youngsters here who the club are responsible for developing in the best, most constructive environment possible; leaving them to rot is not tending to the mid or long-term and is potentially ruinous in and of itself.Short-term thinking.
I'd rather miss the CL next season and build properly, than just sacking ETH without a plan.
We will have most of our players back soon, light schedule so ETH has every chance to at least improve the performance. If he fails and we have the structure in place, then you make a decision.
If INEOS already have a plan in mind, then by all means sack him. I just want us to avoid another bad decision.
Its just sensationalism again from a poor media. Unless the same story is in 3/4 outlets at least its best to ignore it.The thread heading implies a direct quote from SJR… the post doesn’t. Did he say that or is that the Guardian putting two and two together and get 115?
It’s in the new owner’s interest for the season to be as it is for a number of financial and bargaining reasons, but it doesn’t make what’s happening any more tolerable.The ownership doesn't care right now. They can't care right now. The only thing they would have to care about would be if you were at risk of relegation
Takeover happened with the absolute worst timing. Make your peace with it
In the business we call that a ”no”.I don't remember which exactly, but it's been on the news feed thing on my phone for months. Also seen Varane out threads come up on the front page here repeatedly.
It’s well known that he has veto power. This has been covered by the Athletic, ESPN and literally 50 other sources. In fact, he recently said he wanted to keep his veto power. Maybe he isn’t negotiating for the club, but at the very least, he could say no to shit signings. The fact that really only two transfers would be deemed a success (Casemiro and Lisandro), he’s absolutely culpable. So many were previous players.Where is your source other than him signing ex players. Like I said, these players were all on his list of priorities, which is why they were signed. He doesn't do the transfer dealings, he just presents the list of players he wants.
So no, then.
I don't go into the transfer forum or seek out transfer news, stopped caring a while ago. But selling Varane, for example, would make sense given ETH's use of CBs this season.In the business we call that a ”no”.
Can’t for a second imagine us selling either in out current situation. Would have to be a top tier source to make me even believe it possible.
If you look into the psyche and the pathological need of a long term manager for a Manchester United fan, letting the club sink to extreme depths is actually quite desirable for many of them.“Build properly” with even more demoralised and conditioned players who have then had even more mediocrity imprinted upon them? That’s the definition of fixing the front whilst the back-end is in disrepair. There’s also a swathe of youngsters here who the club are responsible for developing in the best, most constructive environment possible; leaving them to rot is not tending to the mid or long-term and is potentially ruinous in and of itself.
The notion we can piss entire seasons away is absurd. There’s no industry, not even football, where that is acceptable. In fact, in terms of new ownership, it makes sense if shares and negotiation strength are greased because we’ve tanked… but in any other aspect, you stop the leaks whilst tending to all of the pending issues.
So much of the talk on here has defeatist conditioning; like what’s happening is part of the process. It isn’t and it shouldn’t be.
Yep, it sucks. It is what it is, it makes no sense for them to make decisions they don't feel qualified to make right nowIt’s in the new owner’s interest for the season to be as it is for a number of financial and bargaining reasons, but it doesn’t make what’s happening any more tolerable.
I just hope it's all hearsay.We've got to a point where losing 50 % of the games and having more or less nothing to play for by January is not 'dire'. Congrats to everyone who wanted this joker to buy the club.
To understand the right profile manager we are looking for as ETH's replacement, the club needs to have structure to reflect the objective, the playing style, the process, and etc. For example, let's say if the news about us not giving power to the manager for transfer is true, then you need to find manager who wants to work like that. You don't want hire a new manager then set new structure then the new manager decides to re-sign because he is unhappy with the new structure,I think ETH's sacking is inevitable but more likely after the season ends. Any coach worth his/her salt should be able to get results against mid table or relegation fodder from the squad we have. A re-structure doesn't need to happen for the team to get the basics right. That's on ETH
Because you're not getting entirely dire results, and INEOS doesn't have football experts lying about they can consult to make these decisions. Ineos sacking Ten Hag and replacing him right now would be the same as Woodward and co. with Ole, Rangnick, etc... most likely money lit on fireHow on earth ETH is not dire and not a priority to axe?
Just not happening. Nor should it.I think ETH deserves a full summer/season with a proper DoF to build a team that can compete fir trophies.
He'll need to explain to Mitchell and Co exactly the type of system he wants and thebnlet them go to work.
You are completely right!“Build properly” with even more demoralised and conditioned players who have then had even more mediocrity imprinted upon them? That’s the definition of fixing the front whilst the back-end is in disrepair. There’s also a swathe of youngsters here who the club are responsible for developing in the best, most constructive environment possible; leaving them to rot is not tending to the mid or long-term and is potentially ruinous in and of itself.
The notion we can piss entire seasons away is absurd. There’s no industry, not even football, where that is acceptable. In fact, in terms of new ownership, it makes sense if shares and negotiation strength are greased because we’ve tanked… but in any other aspect, you stop the leaks whilst tending to all of the pending issues.
So much of the talk on here has defeatist conditioning; like what’s happening is part of the process. It isn’t and it shouldn’t be.
Yes, you're spot on, a season out of Europe so that the team can focus on the league and have more time to be coached into a new style of play, rather than bounce from game to travel to game without time to think, will never bring improvement. I mean, look at Liverpool's first 6 seasons under Klopp.Nothing will improve if we miss Europe or if we hit rock bottom.
This. You all need to calm down. It's totally reasonable to want to sort out the executive team before evaluating the manager, especially when there is not an obvious viable alternative.Can we not scrutinize every sentence that is being said and sensationalize it? INEOS just got their foot on the door. Let them assess the situation and analyze the issue before making big decisions. If it means giving ETH till end of season so be it. We are going to have a mediocre season, write it off and move on.
