They are accused of attempted murder and murder, let's not forget.
Skripal Novichok Case
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Some people are still doing mental gymnastics.
They were probably at the very lowest level at the GRU. Whoever sent them knew they'd be forever burning them as useful operatives.
Eh?
Not picking on your post, just pointing out these guys are wanted for the crimes of murdering one person and trying to murder two others. It’s easy to forget that amongst all the hilarity.
So with the latest documentation release, has the Russian media maintained their high levels of decorum?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ru...nnabis-prostitutes-75-night-London-hotel.html
No way these jokers are assassin's ordered by Putin to eliminate Skirpal. Maybe someone asked them to go to Salisbury though, could be a gay couple, lots of possibilities... Overall for me they make the UK government narrative less credible.
Unless more info comes out we'll never know for sure. Where is Skirpal anyway?
Agreed. An innocent gay couple that work in fitness with zero inconsistencies in their story. Whoever they are they're definitely not employees of the Russian defence ministry.
P.S. - I'm somewhat of an expert in this field so you can trust my judgement. After all I've seen three James Bond movies and The Bourne Identity.
Firstly she rejects the claims and then virtually confirms that the details are from a Russian database.
Makes the government case more credible does it not?
Common sense would indicate that the way these guys behaved, they were not on a covert assassination mission. It's just obvious isn't it? So many logical inconsistencies in the way they behaved and in what's happened afterwards.
Nothing about the way the attempted "assassination" of Skripal went down according to the official narrative or the supposed perpetrators make sense. I still can't see how any intelligent person could buy what Theresa May is saying. The chances of these guys volunteering themselves for trial seems pretty slim. So I doubt we'll ever find out, or not for a very long time.
Nothing about the way the attempted "assassination" of Skripal went down according to the official narrative or the supposed perpetrators make sense. I still can't see how any intelligent person could buy what Theresa May is saying. The chances of these guys volunteering themselves for trial seems pretty slim. So I doubt we'll ever find out, or not for a very long time.
Well said, comrade.
They were filmed 5 minutes away from the Skripal house in a residential area, having walked out of the train station in the opposite direction from all the city's tourist sights - and this having visited Salisbury the previous day. The Skripals fell ill in the following hours.
Some coincidence huh?
So you believe they travelled thousands of miles to visit a cathedral they never bothered actually visiting?
It's entirely possible they were in Salisbury to meet with Skripal, or others, and likely someone sent them there or they had some other motivation, they weren't there for the Cathedral (lol). That makes sense from the evidence presented. It doesn't make sense that they were there to (to try and fail) kill him with novichok or any other way... Just look at how they behaved.
It had occurred to me that they might have been attempting to buy chemicals / nerve / bio / weapons or something from him or others in Salisbury, possibly connected to Porton Down?, maybe related to the fact they seem to be in the (illegal?) sports nutrition business? They went there twice as well, meeting someone about a deal perhaps?
It's all speculation though. It would be interesting if they did submit themselves for trial, and Skirpal and others were called as witnesses, to find out what was really going on. Very little chance of that happening unfortunately.
It had occurred to me that they might have been attempting to buy chemicals / nerve / bio / weapons or something from him or others in Salisbury, possibly connected to Porton Down?, maybe related to the fact they seem to be in the (illegal?) sports nutrition business? They went there twice as well, meeting someone about a deal perhaps?
It's all speculation though. It would be interesting if they did submit themselves for trial, and Skirpal and others were called as witnesses, to find out what was really going on. Very little chance of that happening unfortunately.
You're basing this on what?
The mental gymnastics continue.
So in other words, the suspects themselves.
So are you leaning towards the fact that they may have been set up or it was just a coincidence that this all kicked off in Salisbury at the same time as they were up to some shady dealing?
Naturally it was a coincidence whilst the real highly skilled Russian assassins (that FAILED their mission) disappeared into the ether.
Those Russian assassins sure know how to party. It's obvious now why they failed to kill their intended target, couldn't think straight after
the night of weed smoking and hooker banging. I blame it on hangover.
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Yes, apparently in a restaurant with some witnesses saying the two affected were Russian.
https://news.sky.com/story/salisbury-restaurant-cordoned-off-by-police-after-pair-taken-ill-11500197
Those Russians just don't quit do they 
. Maybe they came to see the cathedral after seeing their comrades RT interview? That spire is pretty impressive...
If this does turn out to be related to the previous incidents, can't wait to hear the explanation.
. Maybe they came to see the cathedral after seeing their comrades RT interview? That spire is pretty impressive...If this does turn out to be related to the previous incidents, can't wait to hear the explanation.
Has anyone considered the possibility that Russians might actually just use Novichok as an aftershave?
Masha is a horribly biased "journalist" though, she had made her whole career by being the same propagandist, just with the opposite agenda. As usually, the truth is somewhere in between — Russian public has it's own opinions on the matter (especially when we're talking about Moscow/St. Petersburg residents), although obviously what's being said on TV heavily influences general population.
You're off your head
Probably slightly less likely than this...https://www.wiltshire.police.uk/article/3409/Warning-to-drug-users-regarding-fentanyl
Would be pretty scary living in that town at the moment though I must say.
Just trying to be logical, they aren't assassins, and clearly weren't there to see the Cathedral. So what were they doing there, and why go twice?You're off your head
Also why did Putin / RT put out this ridiculous interview with them? No one believed what they were saying, it was utterly laughable. Who was it aimed at? Other intelligence agencies? Some trolling maybe? Who knows?, waiting to see if more info from the incident last night.
Who says they weren't there to kill the Skirpels? It's obvious they were involved in it. They were caught on CCTV near the offence location and it's quite clear they work for the government.
I would say the actual evidence points towards them being a) responsible for the murder/attempt murders and/or b) them being involved in a Russian conspiracy to murder.
Let's not forget the traces of novichok found in their hotel room.
None of what you posted betrays any sense of critical thinking or logic at all.
Not sure if you mean betray or portray?
I think at this stage it is highly unlikely they weren't the killers. Russian likes public messages reminding people what happens to traitors.
And spraying this stuff on a door handle hardly requires much skill. That said it sounds like they sent dumb and dumber give they disposed of the Novichk in a place that endangered the public.
I can't see how this wasn't authorised at a senior level if not the most senior level.
And spraying this stuff on a door handle hardly requires much skill. That said it sounds like they sent dumb and dumber give they disposed of the Novichk in a place that endangered the public.
I can't see how this wasn't authorised at a senior level if not the most senior level.
Slip of the tongue? Maybe thinking about Theresa May?Not sure if you mean betray or portray?
Genuinely think people have lost their minds with the Trump Russia stuff that has been going on... The Skripals didn't even die, only Dawn Sturgess who picked up the perfume bottle afterwards. Frankly I'd question if it even was Novichok? I'm not going to pretend to know anything about the details of the weapon but it seems that 3/4 people exposed to it survived fine. Pretty rubbish nerve weapon isn't it?
Its a total bodge job by Russia. They didn't think they would be caught but the UK has pioneered some investigative techniques that resulted in the agents being identified. There was some luck for the UK investigators with the snow meaning the streets were more empty than usual. The Russian agents were also unprofessional, such is life when you employ people.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/05/world/europe/salisbury-novichok-poisoning.html
It also been reported that Russia suspect a double agent in identifying the agents once they were known through CCTV footage.
What other play do they have in face of a mountain of evidence that shows them to be so incompetent?
This is just nonsense though isn't it, they were all in comas.
I suppose most weapons could be classed as rubbish if the people using them are also pretty rubbish.
Are you?
they travelled 3000 miles for a two day trip
went to Salisbury twice in two days
were spotted near the house away from tourist attractions
they claim, as Russians, they only stayed 20 mins the first day due to some snow
the poisoning timing coincided with their visit
they had traces of poison in their hotel room
have links to Russian military intelligence
and they come from a country that routinely bumps off its traitors
but your logical conclusion is they were there for ** insert random other reason we don't know yet **
None of us know the answers, but surely you have to admit by now that on the balance of probability they look kinda guilty?
Betray has more than one meaning. I used it in the sense of 'shows evidence of'...Not sure if you mean betray or portray?
I wouldn't expect you to know the two English meanings, comrade.Slip of the tongue? Maybe thinking about Theresa May?