For less, the club shouldn't have any reason to lose him, he's worth for a short term to help and still good enough. But he's turning to 31 this year and our project is long term not short term and Smalling obviously isn't going to be part of the long term and if we can get 20m pounds, it's a reasonable fees to sell him. If we keep having these 8-9 centre backs in the club we will never gonna buy a new one and we are all know we want to move them on, develop the young ones and buy a new one next year.