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Very good manager but i think he's taken Bournemouth as far as he can and needs a bigger challenge. Is he good enough for a top 6 side? Who knows unless he gets the chance, i personally think he'd do well.
Thanks. You don't start supporting a team like AFCB with the expectation of watching PL football (well, anyone in the last five seasons maybe but prior to that) so it's been a bizarre few years. Down the years I've often accompanied mates from around the country to watch their PL teams and they were kind enough to be dragged to some, shall we say, stadiums with character to watch the Cherries with me. It's come as a bit of a shock for us to be talking about playing each other but since most of them have a soft spot for us now none have complained too vociferously when we've beaten them. Still need Spurs for the complete set, I don't know anyone that supports Man City so I don't have to worry about that one!Didn’t notice you on here as a Bournemouth fan before!
Welcome! My uncle lives there so I’ve been going to games since I was a kid, August and Easter breaks, as much as you can have a “second club” it’s always been Bournemouth for me. Been a hell of a ride the last few years. Howe is an absolute gent. Bournemouth is the perfect club for him though, and it would be interesting to see him at a bigger club, though I doubt he would overachieve to this level, comparatively, anywhere else.
My patch of form comment, seems like this has cropped up due to the start to the season. I don't mean to discount what he's done over the last few seasons, as that has been a great achievement. Your second paragraph was in line with my thoughts, but i'll be happily proven wrong if you come through that run of games with a fair few points.Based on a patch of form? Last season was the the first season when he hadn't improved on our league position compared to his prior season managing us, and that goes across both spells. That's about seven years of constant improvement before last season's shocking (ha!) drop off in form, from 9th to 12th or 46 points down to 44 points. I'm reasonably confident we'll top that this year. Constant and regular improvement season by season isn't a purple patch. It's the exact opposite.
We've had an outstanding start to the season but it's also fair to point out we've only played Chelsea from the traditional big six. That will change as we have four out of the next six in the league against them, or six in ten. It's a very tough run and should give a true indication how far we've come since last season. We know we're definitely better against 'the rest' but can we put up a fight against 'the best'? If I'm honest I'll be very surprised if we're still sitting in the top six after that run but if we do find ourselves there then I think interest in Howe will start to gather a lot more pace.
His signings have also improved season on season. You have to remember our scouting department was basically non-existant five or six years back. A dvd player and some characters here and there from The Nowhere Men (excellent book, check it out) when needed. Building a Premier League level system where you can sift through all the available information and get the required players at the right price doesn't happen overnight but he's starting shopping abroad a little more and definitely has a good eye for players in the UK. Brooks being the obvious latest example.
I've waxed lyrical on here about him before over the past few weeks so won't bore you by repeating myself. Sadly for us I still think the most likely scenario is you taking Poch from Spurs and them taking Howe from us. If that should happen then I may find myself committing a serious crime... hacking the chairman's phone and blocking Pardew's number.
Based on a patch of form? Last season was the the first season when he hadn't improved on our league position compared to his prior season managing us, and that goes across both spells. That's about seven years of constant improvement before last season's shocking (ha!) drop off in form, from 9th to 12th or 46 points down to 44 points. I'm reasonably confident we'll top that this year. Constant and regular improvement season by season isn't a purple patch. It's the exact opposite.
We've had an outstanding start to the season but it's also fair to point out we've only played Chelsea from the traditional big six. That will change as we have four out of the next six in the league against them, or six in ten. It's a very tough run and should give a true indication how far we've come since last season. We know we're definitely better against 'the rest' but can we put up a fight against 'the best'? If I'm honest I'll be very surprised if we're still sitting in the top six after that run but if we do find ourselves there then I think interest in Howe will start to gather a lot more pace.
His signings have also improved season on season. You have to remember our scouting department was basically non-existant five or six years back. A dvd player and some characters here and there from The Nowhere Men (excellent book, check it out) when needed. Building a Premier League level system where you can sift through all the available information and get the required players at the right price doesn't happen overnight but he's starting shopping abroad a little more and definitely has a good eye for players in the UK. Brooks being the obvious latest example.
I've waxed lyrical on here about him before over the past few weeks so won't bore you by repeating myself. Sadly for us I still think the most likely scenario is you taking Poch from Spurs and them taking Howe from us. If that should happen then I may find myself committing a serious crime... hacking the chairman's phone and blocking Pardew's number.
I agree with what you’re saying and think that all those things SHOULD be more important. But look at Lopetegui at Madrid, and he had even coached some with Spain. Some people are saying it’s just a free for all at Madrid now. Ramos self appointed free kick taker, players simply not listening to manager. The egos these days are unfathomable. Madrid’s current situation and Moyes at united, are largely what I would expect should a huge club appoint a talented manager who has not won much, coached in huge club games or atmospheres, Europe, and does not have the reputation as a hugely admired player to initially keep them in line. They’re instantly fighting against the current regardless.I don’t doubt it gets you off to a good start. Surely the players understanding what you’re on about, and believing that they can make it work, is more important though?
I always enjoy Howe’s interviews. Intelligence certainly, but there’s a lot more; lucidity and, dare I say it, underlying passion.
That said, I wouldn’t want him anywhere near United while the present “structure” remains in place. For both our sake and his.
Poch to United and Howe to Spurs would be good moves for bothNot as exotic a choice as Poch but he’s had a very similar amount of success, I wouldn’t be opposed to us taking a punt on him.
Going for the big names has clearly not panned out well for us.
Napoli actually finished second twice and third once in the 3 years Sarri were their manager, so they did finish pretty high.I'm wondring why people think this, look where are we and where are Bournemouth - Napoli didn't finish that high in the table and look at what Sarri is doing with Chelsea.
I've watched Bournemouth a couple of times and they play good SIMPLE football. All managers have risk, why not.. I've never seen this guy dig out his players.
Burnley are broke though, I'd imagine United would be able to handle that a lot better. We could buy him his own gated community that recreates the south coast in fine detail if we had to. I'm only half joking.Done a great job at Bournemouth but I thought he left Burnley because his family couldn’t settle up north so I don’t think he is a viable option.
Neither would Guardiola’s be with Bournmouth’s current squad.His record againat the top six isn’t very good.
Would probably end up being another Moyes with better football.
He’s really nowhere near ready for such a job.
Not everybodybeen a fan of his work for a while, he's done a spectacular job at Bournemouth honestly. Whenever I watch them I come away impressed ... they look like a very well coached team with a modern style of football (not very used to that as a United fan at the moment tbh). I think he's ready for a bigger job, but it'd be too early for a club of Uniteds size. He'll get there though, he just needs time and another step before that.
Poch to United and Howe to Spurs is something that would probably make a ton of sense for everybody involved.
Same. Even Jose didn't work out, there's no such thing as a sure thing anymore. Just tear the whole thing down and rebuild.After 5 years and 3 painfully dull and tedious managers, I'm very open minded to trying something completely different. I'd not be against Howe at all
For one of the biggest jobs in the world, and the salary that goes with it, I think they’d settle just fine....Done a great job at Bournemouth but I thought he left Burnley because his family couldn’t settle up north so I don’t think he is a viable option.
true hope you'll find a decent manager once he leaves and don't settle for the less than mediocre British merry-go-round.Not everybody
It wasn't so much as not settling as the sudden death of his mother. She raised him and his four siblings alone and the bond between them all was incredibly close and he felt he needed to be there for his brothers and sisters when she died and struggled that he couldn't be which caused the issue. So he took the decision to take a step back in his career so he could be there for his family. I've always found that an admirable stance but understand not everyone would agree with it.Done a great job at Bournemouth but I thought he left Burnley because his family couldn’t settle up north so I don’t think he is a viable option.
Well yes, but there were a couple of big worries about Lopetegui. While he did very well with Spain, the Portuguese guys on here have been extremely scathing about his previous record in club management. Also, the way he failed to tell the Spanish FA that he was taking the RM job might indicate a fundamental weakness in his character. Apart from getting homesick for the South Coast while he was in Burnley (which I can understand ), I’m not aware of similar flaws in Howe.I agree with what you’re saying and think that all those things SHOULD be more important. But look at Lopetegui at Madrid, and he had even coached some with Spain. Some people are saying it’s just a free for all at Madrid now. Ramos self appointed free kick taker, players simply not listening to manager. The egos these days are unfathomable. Madrid’s current situation and Moyes at united, are largely what I would expect should a huge club appoint a talented manager who has not won much, coached in huge club games or atmospheres, Europe, and does not have the reputation as a hugely admired player to initially keep them in line. They’re instantly fighting against the current regardless.
Completely agree.The only reason he gets overlooked is because he's English. If a foreign gaffer was doing the job Eddie has he would've been offered a top job by now.
Joses hotel room will be empty if he goes it aloneFor one of the biggest jobs in the world, and the salary that goes with it, I think they’d settle just fine....
Still, with all that said I think it’s way way way too big for him at the moment. It’s a nice idea and sounds like a fresh vibrant start etc. But would almost certainly be disastrous within months.Well yes, but there were a couple of big worries about Lopetegui. While he did very well with Spain, the Portuguese guys on here have been extremely scathing about his previous record in club management. Also, the way he failed to tell the Spanish FA that he was taking the RM job might indicate a fundamental weakness in his character. Apart from getting homesick for the South Coast while he was in Burnley (which I can understand ), I’m not aware of similar flaws in Howe.
Poch to United, Howe to Spurs.Certainly the best British candidate for the United job, though the competition is hardly fierce. Somewhere like Spurs does seem more likely though.
There are few examples because big clubs are too risk averse. You can also say there are a lot managers with "winning pedigree" who have failed at big clubs. How many respected and successful players have failed at managing big clubs? Brendan Rodgers was a slip away from winning the title for Liverpool. Allegri went to Milan from midtable Cagliari. Pochettino came from Southampton to Spurs. There are probably a lot more examples. The job being "too big" for Howe is nothing but an appeal to accomplishments fallacy.There are examples though 3 of those you give were incredibly respected and succesful players. You could also argue that Bordeaux and Dortmund are not the level I’m talkimg about, big clubs I respect but a different beast to united. It shouldn't be the case, but at the biggest clubs esteem and gravitas is important for managing egos. There are very few examples of inexperienced managers excelling at the very top clubs that werent at least closely related as succesful players
No he's not. Such an uninformed comment.Going to be Moyes part 2