Bournemouth PL Record Against Top 6
46 Games
22 Points
37 Goals Scored
119 Goals Conceded
-82 Goal Difference
46 Games
22 Points
37 Goals Scored
119 Goals Conceded
-82 Goal Difference
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Bournemouth PL Record Against Top 6
46 Games
22 Points
37 Goals Scored
119 Goals Conceded
-82 Goal Difference
Is he doing much worse than other managers that have the resources he is working with?Bournemouth PL Record Against Top 6
46 Games
22 Points
37 Goals Scored
119 Goals Conceded
-82 Goal Difference
Even if his top six record is significantly worse than others with similar resources, as long as he's managing similar point tallies does it really matter? He's not directly competing with the top six.Is he doing much worse than other managers that have the resources he is working with?
If not, then what's the problem here?
Exactly, the league finish is the important thing. My memory is shite but I can’t rememner Bournemouth ever really being in a real relegation battle since coming up. I’m finding the idea that he’s doing so bad absolutely baffling. I don’t know if they’re uninformed or have a skewed perspective due to being a supporter of a giant. The Bournemouth wage bill is a lot smaller than most of their contemporaries, how can someone at least not respect the job he’s done. I would love to be in their position.Even if his top six record is significantly worse than others with similar resources, as long as he's managing similar point tallies does it really matter? He's not directly competing with the top six.
He has Bournemouth 2 points behind Everton and West Ham, and a point behind Leicester. Three clubs who spend far more on transfers & wages than Bournemouth do, yet we're expected to believe he's doing a terrible job.
Lowest he has finished is 16th (in his first season in the league) where they were 5 points clear of relegation.Exactly, the league finish is the important thing. My memory is shite but I can’t rememner Bournemouth ever really being in a real relegation battle since coming up. I’m finding the idea that he’s doing so bad absolutely baffling. I don’t know if they’re uninformed or have a skewed perspective due to being a supporter of a giant. The Bournemouth wage bill is a lot smaller than most of their contemporaries, how can someone at least not respect the job he’s done. I would love to be in their position.
He has actually ok resources from memory, same as Wolves for example.Is he doing much worse than other managers that have the resources he is working with?
If not, then what's the problem here?
See, this is precisely the type of post I got when I brought David Moyes woeful record against the Top 6 way back in 2013. The fact he's shipped so many goals against the Top 6 tells me he's not very good at setting up for the big games, way too stubborn. It should be a very big concern and a big blight on his record. Tactically dumb and a big concern that he's not able to setup his team defensively to shut down the opposition.Even if his top six record is significantly worse than others with similar resources, as long as he's managing similar point tallies does it really matter? He's not directly competing with the top six.
What midtable clubs stand out as having a good record against the top 6? Can you share the numbers you are looking at?He has actually ok resources from memory, same as Wolves for example.
See, this is precisely the type of post I got when I brought David Moyes woeful record against the Top 6 way back in 2013. The fact he's shipped so many goals against the Top 6 tells me he's not very good at setting up for the big games, way too stubborn. It should be a very big concern and a big blight on his record. Tactically dumb and a big concern that he's not able to setup his team defensively to shut down the opposition.
To put it into perspective, i've checked Brighton, Bournemouth, Wolves, Huddersfield, Newcastle and West Ham currently and only Huddersfield has a lower points per game. They also concede an average of 2.59 goals per game against the Top 6, thats the most from the above group of clubs. I'm just wary of him, his results really do remind me of Moyes except at least he didn't leak in as many goals.
Wolves have the huge advantage of their Portuguese connections, which has allowed them to gain established internationals like Patricio, Neves and Moutinho. They also spent over 100 mill in the summer which is significantly more than Bournemouth, but the main thing is that their link to Raiola has been a big part of why they are doing so well, they clearly have a better team than Bournemouth.He has actually ok resources from memory, same as Wolves for example.
See, this is precisely the type of post I got when I brought David Moyes woeful record against the Top 6 way back in 2013. The fact he's shipped so many goals against the Top 6 tells me he's not very good at setting up for the big games, way too stubborn. It should be a very big concern and a big blight on his record. Tactically dumb and a big concern that he's not able to setup his team defensively to shut down the opposition.
To put it into perspective, i've checked Brighton, Bournemouth, Wolves, Huddersfield, Newcastle and West Ham currently and only Huddersfield has a lower points per game. They also concede an average of 2.59 goals per game against the Top 6, thats the most from the above group of clubs. I'm just wary of him, his results really do remind me of Moyes except at least he didn't leak in as many goals.
Indeed. Calls to get him in at Arsenal or United are being treated with caution, if not outright derision which is fair enough if that's the way you see it, but he is surely beyond doubt doing a fine job at Bournemouth.Lowest he has finished is 16th (in his first season in the league) where they were 5 points clear of relegation.
Since then 9th and 12th, and this season 12th again, so basically he's established them as a mid table team. Anybody expecting better than that when clubs who invest far, far more in to the squad are struggling to escape that area of the table, is being exceptionally unreasonable.
Howe is one of the youngest managers in the league and has done a very commendable job in the Premier League alone, even before we get in to what an exceptional job he did with Bournemouth in the lower leagues.
Attractive football, develops youth and has Bournemouth mid table in the Premier League after dragging them up from struggling in league 2 .. and you have people saying he is bad at his job. It's honestly astonishing, real football management is not like playing football manager.
Absolutely, not thinking Howe is ready for a top club yet is a reasonable opinion, and one that I actually share.Indeed. Calls to get him in at Arsenal or United are being treated with caution, if not outright derision which is fair enough if that's the way you see it, but he is surely beyond doubt doing a fine job at Bournemouth.
I agree with everything you said. I have no ties to Bournemouth or Howe and have no reason to defend him, I just think he’s done a brilliant job. I don’t necessarily agree with those who think he’s not ready for a top 6 club, but I understand that people have different opinions and can come to different conclusions, but I can’t see how anyone could ever come to the conclusion that he’s doing a bad job.Lowest he has finished is 16th (in his first season in the league) where they were 5 points clear of relegation.
Since then 9th and 12th, and this season 12th again, so basically he's established them as a mid table team. Anybody expecting better than that when clubs who invest far, far more in to the squad are struggling to escape that area of the table, is being exceptionally unreasonable.
Howe is one of the youngest managers in the league and has done a very commendable job in the Premier League alone, even before we get in to what an exceptional job he did with Bournemouth in the lower leagues.
Attractive football, develops youth and has Bournemouth mid table in the Premier League after dragging them up from struggling in league 2 .. and you have people saying he is bad at his job. It's honestly astonishing, real football management is not like playing football manager.
I had to go out. But from the last 3.5 seasons (assuming the club is in the Prem):What midtable clubs stand out as having a good record against the top 6? Can you share the numbers you are looking at?
I think if Pochettino left I would lean towards a manager who had more experience with handling a club in the CL (assuming when Poch leaves we are still a CL club) but I certainly wouldn't be opposed to someone like Howe coming in and would support him all the way.I agree with everything you said. I have no ties to Bournemouth or Howe and have no reason to defend him, I just think he’s done a brilliant job. I don’t necessarily agree with those who think he’s not ready for a top 6 club, but I understand that people have different opinions and can come to different conclusions, but I can’t see how anyone could ever come to the conclusion that he’s doing a bad job.
If Pochettino left would you accept Spurs gambling on him?
Burnley results this season v top 6 before xmas:His job is to try and win every match he plays .
How come other teams like Burnley wolvws etc can pull off results against the big teams ?
It's because they have managers who actually try and come up with tactics that work in these games,.
This total rubbish Howe fans spout that it doesn't matter if he gets hammered in these games it's madness absolute madness .
Every fan wants to their side pull off that shock victory not just wave a white flag once the whistle blows and sit through another 5 nil thrashing
I meant really that they had 90th minute penalty to win game but King missed (thought Fraser dived tbh).A draw was about right. They should have had a player sent off for elbowing, the ref gave 3 penalties none of which were and ignored the handball in the box
Both teams are pretty well matched tbh.
Alarming if he was managing Real Madrid. Not so alarming at BournemouthWhat else do you call getting hammered every time you play a top team because you have no idea of tactics ?
He’s taken a club from the League 2 relegation zone to midtable in the Premier League. Aye, he’s clearly an incompetent manager.I don't think I've ever seen such blind faith in someone so bad at their job bar Trump supporters
Exactly.Bournemouth must be the most fun midtable team to support. You’re either winning matches playing exciting football or getting absolutely smashed.
I’d take that over supporting Dyche’s Burnley any day.
Brendan’s mocked for his ridiculous persona and because he used to manage Liverpool. He’s clearly a very good coach.Same people that mock Brendan are praising him funny enough.
He’s taken a club from the League 2 relegation zone to midtable in the Premier League. Aye, he’s clearly an incompetent manager.
Bournemouth must be the most fun midtable team to support. You’re either winning matches playing exciting football or getting absolutely smashed.
I’d take that over supporting Dyche’s Burnley any day.
Bournemouth smashed Chelsea 4 -0 a few weeks ago. Their fans loved that!Ask that of the Burnley fans who watched their team deservedly beat Spurs last week
Imagine taking a club who were close to dropping out of the English football leagues all the way to the Premier Division and having them comfortably mid table, and then having some bloke on redcafe telling you that you're bad at your job and anybody who argues otherwise is like a trump supporter.
Out of interest, which current managers in the premium do you consider "top ones"? Must be about only about 3-4.
He is a good manager, just not a top one.
Pep, Klopp & Poch. I have respect for Sarri but it's difficult to put him in there right now.Out of interest, which current managers in the premium do you consider "top ones"? Must be about only about 3-4.
I’d generally consider a guy only a decade into his career as a manager who has gained three promotions and established that same small club as a secure midtable team in the PL a good manager.Never heard that argument before .
It's his record against the big teams that matter here and more importantly the total lack of tactics and thought that he shows in these games .
To be a good manager you have to show you can compete at the top levels
I guess it's all about how we define a "top" manager. I'd certainly not put Howe in with the likes of Klopp or Pep though so I agree with you there.Pep, Klopp & Poch. I have respect for Sarri but it's difficult to put him in there right now.
Why? You stated he's so bad at his job. So you have to look at the job he's done in full, ignoring the brilliant work he did with Bournemouth in the lower leagues, he's managed to establish them in the premier league the last 3 or 4 seasons which is a very impressive feat. Can you at least accept you were wrong to say he's 'so bad at his job'? Or will you continue to support that really odd statement for the sake of pride? Funnily enough, like a Trump supporter , as you keep accusing others of thatNever heard that argument before .
It's his record against the big teams that matter here and more importantly the total lack of tactics and thought that he shows in these games .
To be a good manager you have to show you can compete at the top levels
Where exactly is here? He has taken a club that was almost falling out of the football league system into comfortably mid table. You think Bournemouth fans were even thinking about competing at Anfield, Old Trafford etc 10 years ago?Never heard that argument before .
It's his record against the big teams that matter here and more importantly the total lack of tactics and thought that he shows in these games .
To be a good manager you have to show you can compete at the top levels
It’s the Caf the residents are exceptional at everything. That’s why they can judge everyoneWhere exactly is here? He has taken a club that was almost falling out of the football league system into comfortably mid table. You think Bournemouth fans were even thinking about competing at Anfield, Old Trafford etc 10 years ago?
You can legitimately think Howe is not ready for a bigger job. That is a very valid point of view. Trying to take it to an extreme and claiming he is 'bad' at his job is ridiculous.
Jesus christ, if you think Howe is 'bad' at his job, I dread to think what you think of your own job performances?
I know! If you actually look at it logically, even the 'shit' players and 'shit' managers that populate the (if you're going to be incredibly harsh) 3rd best league in the world are amongst the very best in the world in their position. If you're looking at the thousands of managers worldwide and the tens/hundreds of thousands of players worldwide, these players who play at Fulham or Huddersfield or Spurs or Man Utd or who manage Crystal Palace or Bournemouth are genuinely amongst the very top in their field.It’s the Caf the residents are exceptional at everything. That’s why they can judge everyone
Maybe, but I'd certainly argue his career thus far shows that he has potential to get there. He's only 41, there aren't that many managers around who can say they've achieved what Howe has in the game at that age.
He is a good manager, just not a top one.
Didn’t watch the match but just had a glance at the stats and seems there was only 1 team in it. 82% possession, 23 attempts at goal to 0 and 810 passes compared to 176.0 shots vs City today at home.
So did Bournemouth change their approach today? Looks like they made it tough for City or were City wasteful?