Leicester copped a lot of shit from all sides for that decision, but they knew they had to act for the good of the club because the manager, despite the past accolades, couldn’t get out of the rut. Their results picked up immediately without the reinforcements you mentioned, which came later, that’s not valid as an argument for OGS.
You are banging on and on about mentality and building the team, the mentality that saw us collapsing in the last months of 18/19? The mentality that saw us lost three cup semi final in the same season? The mentality that saw us unable to defeat a relegation side at home to ensure CL qualification? The team building that spunk 160m on 3 players who are now either out of the team or among the worst performers? The team building that saw us unable to score from open play for 8 games in the tail end of last season? The team building that lead to us conceding 11 goals in the opening 3 league games and had the heaviest home defeat in eons?
Sometimes you just have to know when to call it quits. He has been given a fair chance, but he’s not good enough, so he has to go. Sound out a manager who is proven to be able to develop a coherent, attacking style like Nagelsmann, Pochettino, give them a budget and clear set of objectives to operate in. Jurgen Klopp signed one player after a close run league defeat to turn his team into runaway league champions, our manager shouldn’t need 5 new signings just to be able to maintain 3rd place. It’s about time we demand some real standards from the one in charge of the first team.
So you're ready to call it quits after 3 PL matches after that pre-season time? There is impatience and there is irrationality. I fear this is both from you and others.
The squad the last months of 18/19 were a wreck physically and once injuries happened, I think it was Pogba or whoever else, the team didn't have a chance to rebound as the gap was far too big to overcome. You don't lose CL qualification from one match at the end of the year, that happens throughout the year when you're just not good enough throughout the year and when teams are fighting relegation, they are fighting for their lives and those shock decisions or matches do go against you, it happens.
The team building that saw United score goals...all goals count the same, it doesn't matter. It's not like United were looking for a draw each match and were bailed out by a dodgy pen decision and you still have to make your pens to get three points. An OG, a pen, a goal from open play, who gives two shits. A goal is a goal. And again, this PL season in the opening 3 matches have been really harsh against United but it's very much early doors and the team will improve. Palace match was underwhelming but also very odd from the penalty against Lindelof and the retake of the penalty (nobody mentioned that Lloris was clearly off his line, both feet, when Bruno scored yesterday even if it went it). Yesterday was a very bad and humbling day, but it wasn't against some shit team when United went down to 10 men. It was a freak result and performance once going down to 10 men in addition to the shitshow that was the defensive players.
How can you say Ole has been given a fair chance...to do what exactly, win the league? This year is his defining year to see if he can sustain and improve on last year, especially the output of his front three players and get the best out of Pogba and Bruno for a full season. But it's been extremely slow to get off from the deck because of the pre-season prep they had, which is not to blame anyone, it's just going to take a little bit more time to get to optimal speed. And that was before any real reinforcements to the first XI, which didn't come in the transfer window.
Sorry, but you're irrational in saying Ole has had enough time. He deserves this year and unless the team just collapses around New Year, then he won't be leaving.
You're saying that Ole wasn't given a budget? What are his objectives for this year...you think he can achieve them in 3 PL matches? You don't think that this team and all teams will have adversity to overcome and factors that you have to deal with? Klopp is a great manager, better than Ole...that's never the question. But everybody knew that Liverpool needed a clear upgrade on a GK and then the rest of their team would carry on or improve and it's not just down to the manager but the actual progression of the player's talent and ability. Nagelsmann is a bright young manager, but he needs time too just like he's doing it at Leipzig for his second full season. Poch is a bit of an enigma, but he's a good manager. A manager who had a very good Spurs team with class attacking talent not in United stables, yet Poch's PL points total decreased year after year from their 2nd place finish or from their highest points total/league position. And he had beef with Levy for a couple years before he was sacked and his squad, who made a tremendous and overachieving CL run...which does happen, were CL place challengers in the league, similar to Ole.
The manager doesn't need 5 new signings to maintain 3rd place you're right....but the manager also needs more than 3 PL games all things considered. But you also need more than ZERO first team players in a transfer window when the team you finished ahead on on GD signed half a new first team players (GK, CB, 3 attacking players, and a LB). But again, that's on going planning for the entire club and the vision which is more on Woodward than Ole.
If you're sacking Ole now, then why not sack him during the 4 weeks from end to start of new season? He deserves this season and then he becomes a lame duck manager going into his last contracted season (21/22 season).
Regardless of manager, United need a RF to rotate with Greenwood and provide depth. United will need a new CF or at least a capable back to Martial after Cavani signs then leaves and then a legit LF to challenge or takeover for Rashford. Then there's central midfield and the constant question of what happens to Pogba...then how not only do you replace him or account for him, but then what to do with Matic's replacement...is it in house in McTominay or Garner (I don't believe so), or is it Fred? Then you need to sign their squad depth/backup.
Then comes the defensive line. Shaw and Telles are the LBs for now and future it seems. Maguire, Lindelof, Bailly all have their faults and only way to improve is to sign someone or sign somebody...but even then they will need time to adjust and adapt and settle within the team and their partner. And then RB....AWB and Williams.
So managers come and go more frequently than players....the player recruitment and squad development and selling of deadwood to supplement and aid in the first team is more dependent on the footballing structure than the manager. This squad was good enough to come 3rd last year. And all things being equal, still have a shot at being 3rd or 4th. But having CL football this year, having a shortened pre-season if you can call it that, seeing your immediate rivals in Chelsea and Spurs strengthen, and then other teams having a full pre-season and getting players in earlier than you.....it's not all down to the manager. Time will be needed for everybody and sacking Ole now after 1.5 seasons is insane. Oh, and you'll have to buy Ole out too....and maybe that money could have gone to the transfer of a player, incremental to a new manager's salary that would probably be higher than Ole's if they have a better track record/more successful than Ole?