Yeah its crazy isn't it... drawing a gun turns an argument into a life and death situation... thats why I personally don't see it was justified and clearly the police took the same view
Social Media Justice: A "Karen" faces consequences for threatening a Black man with cops
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But that's what makes America so great.
No. I know with all of the above I can easily walk or run out of the way of them. A gun I can run out of the way of the range of a bat but the person could still shoot me. Heck, i can be two or three cars away and they can still get me. A gun has way more power than any of those weapons and has way more accidental danger attached to them too. If she was nervous and her finger slipped on a bat she might drop it or loosen/tighten her grip slightly. With a gun she can accidentally fire. They’re far more dangerous/powerful.
There is one thing that tells you that it was a bad idea, the woman with the gun is angry and unhinged when she holds her firearm. It's something that many people in this thread seem to be missing, you are not supposed to handle a deadly weapon when you are angry or frightened that's when you make mistakes, that's why security professionals are supposed to be vetted, they are supposed to be extremely calm people who are able to handle stressful situations with composure.
That video should be shown to anyone defending the right for civilians to carry a deadly weapon, it's a bad idea.
I can't imagine how the guy felt. Losing his jobs over this.
Tbh if you don't go around with an intercontinental nuclear missile in your boot, can you even diffuse a parking lot argument?
And it's not just about the holder of the gun. You have no idea how the other side will react to a deadly threat. In this case it "worked" and she backed off, but another person might have had some fight or flight moment that made them go for the gun.
In this case the other side was made of lunatics who had for only goal to escalate things, unfortunately the couple fell for it. But what you say applies to the other couple that drew guns at a crowd, they don't know how the crowd is going to react, they don't know who in that crowd is maybe carrying a gun and at some point, the wife was between her husband and the crowd which means that he was useless unless he was willing to take the risk to shoot his wife while targetting the crowd.
That's an other example of people not fit to carry firearms, they don't think before brandishing them, it is not controlled but emotive reactions.
Probably pretty bad - though if they hadn't drawn weapons then he would still have a job so hopefully upon reflection he factors that into his thinking.
Not sure what the employment law is in the states regarding this but generally speaking I think something that brings the company by association into disrepute can be seen as cause for dismissal - again it has been investigated by the authorities where they feel he acted in an inappropriate way and it is very much in the public domain
If one of my employees had been flimed waving a gun around or even a knife or tyre iron in a manner that had been found to be unjustified I'm not sure I would want to send them in the next day to represent me and my other colleagues with clients
That would be fine with me.
Who has treated him unjustly though... the police?
Thank god some semblance of common sense has returned to this thread. There’s a reason arrests & charges have been made in a gun carrying state.
Moving on. Wakey Wakey @Dante ; still waiting for a response on your attempts at gaslighting this conversation.
Not standing for this sh*t even if it is ‘only’ an internet forum; you made the comment below. . .
Where do I mention their gender in relation to their emotions?
‘You seem to be hinting’ doesn’t cut it, I’ve not made any comments in that direction & you’ve only bought this up once I questioned you on why race was relevant.
I’ve called them idiots, mentalists [and probably many other things] but I’m curious as to how these are sexist descriptives or being used as such. Basically what the hell are you on about?
Are the descriptors, woman & mother misogynistic now? I’ve actually taken the time to call Jillian [the gun totter] by her name in instances so let’s not drop it.
You can be civil & shed light. If I’ve been a misogynistic &/or racist in the thread neither are my intention so I’d like to learn from whatever it is otherwise this is blatant gaslighting which is pathetic.
I think labelling peoples posts as racist & misogynistic are serious even if it is ‘only’ an internet forum. Racism is a bannable offence so don’t take being accused of it lightly.
Can anyone recommend a mod I can contact to review my posts related to this for both?
Moving on. Wakey Wakey @Dante ; still waiting for a response on your attempts at gaslighting this conversation.
Not standing for this sh*t even if it is ‘only’ an internet forum; you made the comment below. . .
I asked what their race had to do with it & you then made the below statements. . .
Where do I mention their gender in relation to their emotions?
‘You seem to be hinting’ doesn’t cut it, I’ve not made any comments in that direction & you’ve only bought this up once I questioned you on why race was relevant.
I’ve called them idiots, mentalists [and probably many other things] but I’m curious as to how these are sexist descriptives or being used as such. Basically what the hell are you on about?
Are the descriptors, woman & mother misogynistic now? I’ve actually taken the time to call Jillian [the gun totter] by her name in instances so let’s not drop it.
You can be civil & shed light. If I’ve been a misogynistic &/or racist in the thread neither are my intention so I’d like to learn from whatever it is otherwise this is blatant gaslighting which is pathetic.
I think labelling peoples posts as racist & misogynistic are serious even if it is ‘only’ an internet forum. Racism is a bannable offence so don’t take being accused of it lightly.
Can anyone recommend a mod I can contact to review my posts related to this for both?
A lot of states have at will employment so you can be fired without cause
Why don't you take this to pm, I understand the need you feel but sometimes you can make more progress in private.Thank god some semblance of common sense has returned to this thread. There’s a reason arrests & charges have been made in a gun carrying state.
Moving on. Wakey Wakey @Dante ; still waiting for a response on your attempts at gaslighting this conversation.
Not standing for this sh*t even if it is ‘only’ an internet forum; you made the comment below. . .
I asked what their race had to do with it & you then made the below statements. . .
Where do I mention their gender in relation to their emotions?
‘You seem to be hinting’ doesn’t cut it, I’ve not made any comments in that direction & you’ve only bought this up once I questioned you on why race was relevant.
I’ve called them idiots, mentalists [and probably many other things] but I’m curious as to how these are sexist descriptives or being used as such. Basically what the hell are you on about?
Are the descriptors, woman & mother misogynistic now? I’ve actually taken the time to call Jillian [the gun totter] by her name in instances so let’s not drop it.
You can be civil & shed light. If I’ve been a misogynistic &/or racist in the thread neither are my intention so I’d like to learn from whatever it is otherwise this is blatant gaslighting which is pathetic.
I think labelling peoples posts as racist & misogynistic are serious even if it is ‘only’ an internet forum. Racism is a bannable offence so don’t take being accused of it lightly.
Can anyone recommend a mod I can contact to review my posts related to this for both?
In this case the University conformed they have seen the video and I think if i were in the university shoes Id have made the same decision
It would be progressive in private if the accusation wasn’t made in public. I’ve re-read my posts on this & he’s simply tried to subvert the discussion because he was asked an uneasy question.
In the Current Events things can go off in a direction we don’t ideally want at times so I’ve PMd people & vice-versa but don’t enter these discussions in bad faith. A difference of opinion is expected but don’t fabricate.
I’ve seen his posts around the forums & he seems sound mostly but I’d expect better in here.
The University
He did nothing wrong, it wasn't even him with the gun, he calmly get in his car and called the cops.
hes been charged hasnt he?
https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/oa...ter-gun-is-pulled-during-parking-lot-argument
https://eu.freep.com/story/news/loc...chipotle-parking-lot-gun-incident/5366368002/
Sounds like he did more than sit in the car and call the police to me
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If you think the man got what he deserves, then let's jsut agree to disagree
back up - you just said he sat calmly in the car... the police say he pulled his gun and threatened people
surely you can see you argument has just completely been undermined and on that basis (that he threatened unarmed people with a loaded gun) dont you wish to revisit your claim that he didn't draw a gun and sat calmly in the car
Yeah I agree. Was just saying that in a lot of states they don't even need that to get rid.
They had cause to sack him too. They were both guilty of assault by pulling a weapon out and pointing it at someone unless there was an imminent physical threat. Which I don't think there was, is was just someone being an utter prick for no good reason by the sounds of it.
Her eyes are breathtakingly spooky, so unhinged.
If it’s in an at-will state, the university has every right.
What does that mean? Genuine question, I have no idea.
Basically employees have next to no rights and employers can get rid of them without having to justify it.
Was the safety even off?
Anyway, the point was that there are many 'weapons' in cars that are there for self defence. She happened to gave a gun; one guy I know has a tyre wrench just for such situations.
Could he kill someone with that? Of course he could, it'd smash someone's skull. The point is to have something, to get the other irrational person to back off so you can make an exit without any physical violence.
Jesus, ok thanks for explaining. Can employees take employers to tribunals on grounds of unfair dismissal then? How does that work if the employers don't even need to provide a reason for sacking? How are people protected against discrimination, or victimisation?
That's the only exception, they can't be dismissed for illegal reasons such as sexism or racism etc. But there doesn't need to be any justification in terms of job performance or disciplinary action etc.
Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will_employment
Does that work? Doesn't bringing out weapons increase the chances of escalation, rather than decrease them? Does US have less incidents of physical violence as a result of gun ownership? Because it sure has more shootings as a result of said gun ownership.
It's probably a Glock (women like them) or other striker fired polymer pistol, which means there is no external safety switch. The action of pulling the trigger disengages an internal safety.
Amy Cooper charged after the bird watcher incident.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12048391/central-park-karen-amy-cooper-charged/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12048391/central-park-karen-amy-cooper-charged/
Have people taken 3 minutes out of their day to watch the video. She cocks the bloody gun!
So would that same law apply to the mother, who threatened to kick their white asses, or is there specifics to the law that doesn't cover verbal threats or something?
I'm not sure... though I suspect waving a loaded gun in people's face probably constitutes a much higher threat level.
Implication from the police officer is if it had remained verbal they would not have been charged and it was drawing loaded weapons on unarmed people that seems to have made it a violent threat
That's great. Cheers!
They are probably accused of brandishing a firearm which can be illegal, I don't know if it's true everywhere. The law generally concerns all deadly/dangerous weapons, so threatening someone with a knife, a machete or even a golf club could see you prosecuted.
Thanks!
Yes, this is correct JP. Most legal codes, even in places where gun control is lax, prohibit you from waving your gun around in a threatening manner.
Those bloody commie lawmakers
Comparing a woman yelling at someone to that person pulling a gun on her, not really comparable at all. My fecking god.