Rash got 34 this season while not being himself for some reason and Sancho is surely good enough to get like 15 g plus 15a?
Sorry, but why is Rashford rated here? (Read the context)
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I don’t think we disagree on the statistics part. Standards at top clubs are different then standards at mid table or relegation clubs. Likewise, criteria for a defender is different then a CAM or a striker. A player is judged based on his position first and foremost.
Giggs has never scored more then 10+ goals in the PL in 24 seasons, however he became one of the greatest players of his generation because of his longevity (with many groundbreaking records, such as the Premier League record of 162 assists. Those 162 assists and deciding passes/goals at the highest levels of competition (champions league included) is what made him as you said ‘briliant’
This team can not only relay on Fernandes and Cavani. The wingers have the responsibility to float into wide areas, to pass players and to have a delivery/end product. Those type of consistent contributions would be a justification for not having ‘world class’ stats, but if that is lacking then there is not much you can judge them on. Even Ole said through the seasons that he is waiting for Mason, Martial and Rashford to ‘click’ and thankfully atleast Mason had a great run during the last spell of the season.
To conclude this post, as stated before the title could be perceived as confrontational, but the intent behind it is not to discuss the ‘performances’ per se, but a more deeper laying question wether fans are expecting to much from a player who may already reached his ceiling.
As they say, forget Simon Cowell, time is the most ruthless and honest judge there is and time will judge every player (and human being for that matter).
thanks for the lengthy posts I do enjoy them!
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Say what you will about his game, but that statement he made about missing the pen and the hatred is fantastic. Seems like a great dude.
And in the end, missing penalties happens to anyone, just ask Roberto Baggio or Van Basten.
Or John Terry, but I put him seperate because he's a prick.
And in the end, missing penalties happens to anyone, just ask Roberto Baggio or Van Basten.
Or John Terry, but I put him seperate because he's a prick.
One of the mods actually said that Rashford may have reached his peak already, so I am not sure why you refer to them as ‘clowns’. Ad hominems arent neccesary in this thread. People can have different opinions and the most effective way of interaction is allowing each other’s perspective to be discussed with civil manners.
I really just think now isn't the time. Rashford himself acknowledges that he's been off his own standards this season. For any number of reasons, that can happen.
It's like people have forgotten how good he was, just a season ago. He has talent, athleticism and is a United lad. We should all absolutely love the kid.
Will he rebound and come back stronger? I have no idea. Neither do you.
But we're United fans. We should back him the way we've always backed our players through adversity, regardless of what he's doing on the pitch. And perhaps no United player has deserved our support and respect more than Marcus.
It's like people have forgotten how good he was, just a season ago. He has talent, athleticism and is a United lad. We should all absolutely love the kid.
Will he rebound and come back stronger? I have no idea. Neither do you.
But we're United fans. We should back him the way we've always backed our players through adversity, regardless of what he's doing on the pitch. And perhaps no United player has deserved our support and respect more than Marcus.
I hope Rashford and Sancho internalize all the hate directed at them to take it out on the league next season. Time to shut up the rash doubters and Grealish fan boys in our supporter base.
Totally agree with you pal, spot on, both not good enough for United.
I'm not saying he's world class but you do realize he was second highest in goal contributions for united last season right? 21 goals and 9 assists, with 6 goals in the champions league (joint third highest scorer). This stupid narrative that he doesn't contribute enough needs to stop. It's fueling hatred beyond all things football
No the state of you. Get real Rashford is a busted flush, finished, finito, over and done. Got a lucky break from Van Gaal scored a few nice goals then gradually got worse. He was wasting his time at the euros as southgate hardly used him so he comes back to us still injured and with confidence on the floor.
I honestly don't see what all the love fest is here for the guy, hes really not that good, seriously, open your eyes and remember the last part of the season when to be blunt he was dreadful. Looking bleak for 2021/22, maybe another fight for top 4 place.
Mate if you havent already you will be getting a warning for posts like this, I've been told off for voicing my opinion on Rashers the mods dont like the truth
You absolute clown. Can’t believe someone actually promoted this joker.I haven’t seen a post so full of absolute shite in quite some time here. 21 goals and 15 assists while playing the majority of the season through injury and played into the ground by Ole due to lack of real options behind him. Supporters like you are the worst. Make sure you’re around when Rashford and Sancho take all the vile hate directed at them out on the league.
You could argue the whole squad looked terrible towards the end of the season. You keep referencing the Europa League final but the only person who performed well in that game was probably Mctominay. Also, you claim Marcus is finished but he got 36 goals and assists in a season where he was nursing an injury. You're talking bollocks
I wonder how many on here defending Rashford for his miss were camped in the Mbappe and Morata threads calling them overrated or bottlers for missing their pens. The absolute stupidity of the gleeful Mbappe threads using his misfortune to elevate Rashford were embarassing. I bet those same posters are in here now making all the excuses they can for Rashford's non existent tournament.
In saying that, he can't be really be blamed for yesterday but hopefully these Euros will be a wake up call for him because he nowhere near as good as he or Ole think he is.
In saying that, he can't be really be blamed for yesterday but hopefully these Euros will be a wake up call for him because he nowhere near as good as he or Ole think he is.
This is such a mental post. The guy has been playing injured for pretty much this whole year and still got to 21 goals and 15 assists while taking responsibility for pretty much all of our attacking output. About 1000 people have pointed out that he was injured this last month, but somehow you a) have failed to read that and b) can't remember all the amazing games he has had in a United shirt. I think people don't so much want you banned for having an opinion - they want you banned because you seem to have started watching football about a month ago and yet you're talking like you know things, and that is really annoying.
Might be the most ridiculous comment I've read on here all year and that's saying something. For anyone wondering why the Rashford cult thread exist look no further than this.
This forum has gone to shit.
Yes yes he's done at 23 because... reasons?
Why bother. It stinks of a wum. Nobody can actually believe that shit.
Take away the penalties Bruno scored and Rashford had more goal+assist contributions. I'd also argue Rashford put in better performances against better opposition. Bruno invariably wilted when it mattered.
He's been declining ever since that first game under van Gaal, don't you know? He's got that disease Robin Williams had in 'Jack'.Yes yes he's done at 23 because... reasons?
It's ridiculous imo. I think people just have unrealistic expectations. Was he brilliant in every game this season? Feck no. Did he have very good output despite being run into the ground in a gruelling season playing through injury? Yes. What players apart from maybe Messi are consistently brilliant?Yes yes he's done at 23 because... reasons?
Is he ever going to be Ronaldo or Rooney? Probably not, but he's already a very good player who will only get better, you'd think he's 30 the way some people go on about him, he's only 23 ffs. He's posted numbers consistently for a few years that are amongst the better players in his position.
Not to add, he's an absolutely brilliant human being - proud he's a Manchester United player.
He's caught in that cross roads being he isn't a winger, and not a great striker yet.
Because he's a bloody good player with a promising future ahead of him, he's returning Rooney like numbers who we'd argue to be in the same league as Ronaldo and Messi.
Had Rash been a part of a team that was winning things, we'd be having him tattoed on our chest with the same goal and assist return.
What an embarrassment this post.
Had Rash been a part of a team that was winning things, we'd be having him tattoed on our chest with the same goal and assist return.
What an embarrassment this post.
Rashford is going to make this thread look silly.
Once he's back to full fitness he'll be absolutely fine.
He is talented, with a strong work ethic and mentality. It would help if we stopped overplaying him, too.
Once he's back to full fitness he'll be absolutely fine.
He is talented, with a strong work ethic and mentality. It would help if we stopped overplaying him, too.
Ad Hominem when it is required. Questioning why Rashford is rated on a Man Utd forum is a gaslight move in itself. You can question his ability, performances maybe, but the post title is directed at forum members, hence, clown.
I've been thinking about Rashford for a while, and I came to the conclusion his mentality isn't strong enough for his skills and especially expectations. He's been around for a while, people take his good numbers as a given and I think he crumbles under this long-term, constant pressure. I have no idea how to tackle that, but for sure it'd be great if we could take some pressure off Rashford (hopefully possible now with Sancho).
I am confident he'll be very good player, he had a good season (stats wise) and poor season (performance wise), but the problem is in his head (confidence, decision making etc). I am not sure his future is in wide areas, and I'd imagine it would benefit to play him in one position rather than constantly shifting left right center.
I am confident he'll be very good player, he had a good season (stats wise) and poor season (performance wise), but the problem is in his head (confidence, decision making etc). I am not sure his future is in wide areas, and I'd imagine it would benefit to play him in one position rather than constantly shifting left right center.
Didn’t Cristiano Ronaldo also miss a penalty in the same shootout with John Terry?
That's because the moderating has gotten amazingly lax. Posters are continuously allowed to post shite. It's gotten just like twitter, the abuse given to our players and ex-players is just unbelievable here.
I'd be very happy with that, but want him to be involved off the ball more (both defensively and in the build-up play).
Salah is the main goal getter for Pool. How many times has he gotten 40 g/a in a season?
Sure. Look at his numbers and then compare him against any top player in the world. Quite certain that Rashford wouldn't look out of place
I don’t like that so many newbies come in and derail threads like that plonker on this page saying rashford is finished. With newbies they could be anyone in the WUM.
He doesn’t play on the wing he plays as a wide forward who very often due to positional rotation in a match will find himself playing through the middle here and there.
He isn’t a winger. He doesn’t aim for the byline nor does he see supply as his primary function. He predominantly cuts inside on the outside of a penalty area. He’s a forward who is primarily asked to play in a non-central position. Calling him a “winger” is ridiculous
He isn’t a winger. He doesn’t aim for the byline nor does he see supply as his primary function. He predominantly cuts inside on the outside of a penalty area. He’s a forward who is primarily asked to play in a non-central position. Calling him a “winger” is ridiculous
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Aren’t you (or were you) a mod yourself?
I think the newbie system needs to be revisited as a large portion of the awful comments and toxicity seems to stem from them.
The problem is that it can be tricky to moderate some of this. For example, do we want to have a forum where people cannot express an opinion (such as Rashford being shit) as ridiculous as that opinion might be? I don’t agree with it, but the thing that really bothers me is the lack of quality in some of the posts with people unable or unwilling to have a constructive debate when their opinions differ.
A lot of the ‘debate’ that happens on here lately is more akin to petulant teenagers arguing in school.
The forum needs a break from the newbie system. Honestly, most of the vilest posts are from newbies that then leads to other poster being upset about the thread.
He’s great but we need Grealish aswell.
Grealish, Sancho, Cavani, Greenwood, Rashford, Bruno.
Martial, Pogba, Lingard out.
If only it was this easy.
Grealish, Sancho, Cavani, Greenwood, Rashford, Bruno.
Martial, Pogba, Lingard out.
If only it was this easy.
Yeah sure, the newbies are the main problem of the forum.
A full member in a previous post suggested that if someone doesn't rate Rashford is racist or others claim if we don't rate Ole we aren't truly United supporters. Pathetic posts, pathetic posters (not newbies mind you)
Was.
It's unfair to blame the newbies for all the garbage stuff posted here, some of the stuff posted by the main forum posters isn't any better but yeah most of it does stem from the newbies. I don't particularly don't mind the criticism but some of it is just abuse which shouldn't be allowed. I mean some posts here called him a finished player at 23. There's no way you can argue with that.