Souness on Sky

[SteveCoppellFan]

He's starting appearing on TalkSport.

He's probably had enough of the PC obsessed Sky Sports and will navigate over to there like many others.

 

[Rams]

We’re always told not to compare the women’s game to men’s as it’s different. So we were watching the men’s game, sourness was watching the men’s versions of the game too, not sure why there’s female commentators even if the women’s game is supposedly different, they’ve come from a different version of the sport.

Same goes for the female player (may have been a journalist I don’t know) on about ending the 70 year wait for England to win a trophy, they didn’t, it’s a different game.

One thing that needs to be improved in the Woman’s game according to the woman who play the game is that the training and medical supervision needs to be adapted to suit woman’s physical needs. Handbags at 9 paces

 

[Loon]

He's starting appearing on TalkSport.

He's probably had enough of the PC obsessed Sky Sports and will navigate over to there like many others.

One step away from joining old Werewolf hands on BeIn Sports.

 

[Withnail]

I guess your not implying the poster is sexist??? The irony

Souness was clearly using an age old football phrase and did not intend to insult woman’s football. It wasn’t an intelligent phrase to use in the circumstances, but Jesus, give Souness a break. There really are more important things to worry about, such as homophobia in football or increased violence on the terraces.

Are you asking me if I think that someone who made that statement was being sexist and then stating it's somehow ironic?

I'm quite confused.

 

[Rams]

Are you asking me if I think that someone who made that statement was being sexist and then stating it's somehow ironic?

I'm quite confused.

No, I think it’s ironic that in exactly the same situation you thought the other poster was not implying that I was…

 

[Withnail]

No, I think it’s ironic that in exactly the same situation you thought the other poster was not implying that I was…

It's not the same at all. I'm saying his statement/opinion was sexist. He wasn't talking about any third parties.

 

[Zlatan 7]

It's not the same at all. I'm saying his statement/opinion was sexist. He wasn't talking about any third parties.

It wasn’t sexist as it’s a different sport, a bit like saying you don’t want celebrities like Noel Gallagher on there. Not qualified.

 

[Rams]

It's not the same at all. I'm saying his statement/opinion was sexist. He wasn't talking about any third parties.

I could go on, but I’ll give it a rest. I’m not here to prove I’m right all the time. I actually think a lot of your opinions are well thought and well articulated.

 

[Moby]

This guy needs to be cancelled. Racist sexist cnut.

 

[Ady87]

Random but kind of on topic, are there many male commentators/pundits/analysts on the women's game? I didn't watch any of the Euros. Or is it avoided for fear of mansplaining?

 

[NotThatSoph]

Random but kind of on topic, are there male commentators/pundits/analysts on the women's game? I didn't watch any of the Euros. Or is it avoided for fear of mansplaining?

Yes, plenty.

 

[Rams]

Random but kind of on topic, are there male commentators/pundits/analysts on the women's game? I didn't watch any of the Euros. Or is it avoided for fear of mansplaining?

Ian Wright Wright Wright amongst others. Due respect to the man, he really has become an ambassador for the Woman’s game.

 

[Withnail]

I could go on, but I’ll give it a rest. I’m not here to prove I’m right all the time. I actually think a lot of your opinions are well thought and well articulated.

Fair enough and thank you. I don't really want to rehash that whole thing which I did see as a misunderstanding and I'm not trying to have a row with you.

 

[2 man midfield]

It wasn’t sexist as it’s a different sport, a bit like saying you don’t want celebrities like Noel Gallagher on there. Not qualified.

This is the thing I always come back to when this argument rears it head. It depends what you want from your pundits: do you want actual intelligent and insightful analysis, or just a famous talking head?

People like Souness, Roy Keane, Gary Neville, they get employed as pundits based on their standing in the game. It’s assumed that since they were at the top of their profession, you’ll know who they are and will care about what they have to say. Their actual insight might be shit, look at Shearer or Lawrenson, but they reached such a standard that people will listen to them anyway. Nothing wrong with that, it makes sense.

Then on the other hand you have people like Alex Scott who does actually provide good insight and make good points but 99% of people watching a mans football game have no idea who she is.

I think that’s where a lot of the complaints come from besides the obvious sexist moaning you’ll always get. If you don’t know who that person is, but all you value is that they can provide insight, then you might as well have anybody in the chair. Get a YouTuber on, or someone from down the pub. Tifo football can give good analysis, but nobody knows who he is. Would anyone listen to him? Maybe, I’m not sure. But I think this comes into the debate around female pundits on the male game. Of course you’ll always get dickheads moaning because they don’t want their sport contaminated by wokeness, but I think there’s also more to it.

 

[Cascarino]

It wasn’t sexist as it’s a different sport, a bit like saying you don’t want celebrities like Noel Gallagher on there. Not qualified.

They’re definitely qualified. She’s been involved in football her entire life as a professional. Martin Tyler has been involved in football his entire working life, and has been an excellent commentator. Compare his commentary to someone like Ray Wilkins (RIP), who did it all in a footballing sense and seemed a lovely bloke but couldn’t commentate for shit.

A lot of the complaints stem from people who just don’t want women involved, and themselves have never been a part of the footballing community outside of spectating.

 

[Zlatan 7]

This is the thing I always come back to when this argument rears it head. It depends what you want from your pundits: do you want actual intelligent and insightful analysis, or just a famous talking head?

People like Souness, Roy Keane, Gary Neville, they get employed as pundits based on their standing in the game. It’s assumed that since they were at the top of their profession, you’ll know who they are and will care about what they have to say. Their actual insight might be shit, look at Shearer or Lawrenson, but they reached such a standard that people will listen to them anyway. Nothing wrong with that, it makes sense.

Then on the other hand you have people like Alex Scott who does actually provide good insight and make good points but 99% of people watching a mans football game have no idea who she is.

I think that’s where a lot of the complaints come from besides the obvious sexist moaning you’ll always get. If you don’t know who that person is, but all you value is that they can provide insight, then you might as well have anybody in the chair. Get a YouTuber on, or someone from down the pub. Tifo football can give good analysis, but nobody knows who he is. Would anyone listen to him? Maybe, I’m not sure. But I think this comes into the debate around female pundits on the male game. Of course you’ll always get dickheads moaning because they don’t want their sport contaminated by wokeness, but I think there’s also more to it.

Yeah fair points and I’m probably guilty of that, I would just prefer to listen to pundits who had played at the level they do punditry on, even if they’re not all that tactically aware, just because they have been inThe shoes of the players they speak about (or very close) I wouldnt fancy listening to a Sunday league player on tv either; tactics, skills, it’s all different at elite level.

that’s probably a mis judgment on my part but just how I feel about it

 

[Gentile’s Ghost]

It seems like people can’t have opinions anymore and, by their very nature, opinions are not factual and as such people can have different ones. Accept it and move on - some people may not like what he said but those same people should also accept his right to say it! Well that’s my opinion anyway. Souness made the comment that was his opinion, pitched, using an old school phrase. He could have used “Mano a mano” - would that have kicked off the debate?

 

[Zlatan 7]

They’re definitely qualified. She’s been involved in football her entire life as a professional. Martin Tyler has been involved in football his entire working life, and has been an excellent commentator. Compare his commentary to someone like Ray Wilkins (RIP), who did it all in a footballing sense and seemed a lovely bloke but couldn’t commentate for shit.

A lot of the complaints stem from people who just don’t want women involved, and themselves have never been a part of the footballing community outside of spectating.

Fair enough if that’s how you feel, as I explained above, I think the tactics, skill level, pressure that the women have come from is different. Maybe I’m wrong.

and I have been involved in football all my life, not just a spectator.

 

[Cascarino]

Fair enough if that’s how you feel, as I explained above, I think the tactics, skill level, pressure that the women have come from is different. Maybe I’m wrong.

There’s a usefulness in having personal insights when talking about a match, of course there is. I often prefer players who have recently retired because they’re often more insightful about modern tactics, or interesting anecdotes about players still playing. But football is a pretty universal game, a fast winger causing a slower fullback trouble, a team struggling to play it out, a formation change to flood the midfield etc. When it comes to dissecting a game if you know your stuff the team or league you played for doesn’t matter that much, at least to me anyway.

and I have been involved in football all my life, not just a spectator.

While I conveyed it clumsily, this wasn’t directed at you, or even people who prefer pundits that they watched play.

Rather, and I’ve experience this plenty of times, when it gets to the half time talk panel there are cries of “what’s she doing there” “what would she know” etc. They’ve never been involved in football on the footballing side, yet they feel comfortable believing that because she’s a woman and one that has dedicated her life to the sport, she would have nothing to contribute as a pundit.

 

[2 man midfield]

Yeah fair points and I’m probably guilty of that, I would just prefer to listen to pundits who had played at the level they do punditry on, even if they’re not all that tactically aware, just because they have been inThe shoes of the players they speak about (or very close) I wouldnt fancy listening to a Sunday league player on tv either; tactics, skills, it’s all different at elite level.

that’s probably a mis judgment on my part but just how I feel about it

No I agree with you, and it’s the main, well, only reason I’d possibly be against Karen Carney being a pundit for a United game. A similar example is Ben Thornley on MUTV. It’s hard to lend someone’s opinion any weight if you don’t know who they are or what they’ve achieved to lend it credence. I mean look at the shit Robbie Savage gets for the same reason, and he was a class of 92 graduate that actually had a premier league career!

Like I said, it depends what you want from a pundit. There’s nothing wrong with going down the purely analysis focused angle, but if that’s the case you might as well watch one of the better YouTube channels that do watch alongs.

 

[UnsungHero]

That sounds very unpleasant, has your throat recovered yet? It's been two weeks so you should probably consider seeing a doctor.

Fear not, it has improved significantly now the Premier League has started.

 

[Zlatan 7]

There’s a usefulness in having personal insights when talking about a match, of course there is. I often prefer players who have recently retired because they’re often more insightful about modern tactics, or interesting anecdotes about players still playing. But football is a pretty universal game, a fast winger causing a slower fullback trouble, a team struggling to play it out, a formation change to flood the midfield etc. When it comes to dissecting a game if you know your stuff the team or league you played for doesn’t matter that much, at least to me anyway.



While I conveyed it clumsily, this wasn’t directed at you, or even people who prefer pundits that they watched play.

Rather, and I’ve experience this plenty of times, when it gets to the half time talk panel there are cries of “what’s she doing there” “what would she know” etc. They’ve never been involved in football on the footballing side, yet they feel comfortable believing that because she’s a woman and one that has dedicated her life to the sport, she would have nothing to contribute as a pundit.

Fair points written better than I could to be honest and I agree it’s fairly universal sport and can be as complicated or straight forward as you want to make it. I also like the recently retired players sometimes, it’s often refreshing to hear a different take on things.

as for being involved in football I was just clarifying, I didn’t think it was aimed at me personally.

 

[TOKUGAWA-X]

I get Souness point because most of us only watch football played by men.

Its impossible to see that Chelsea v Spurs fury, violence, aggression in womens football, its other sport basically.

So i dont get why some pundits get upset when other pundits point out the differences, its like they want lie to themselves that football played by men is the same football played by women.

Womens basketball is completely different to mens basketball and so on.

Like i said they lie to themselves and theyre liying to their audience that have not knowledge about football, it is sad, they dont do their jobs as pundits.

 

[Chief123]

“Casemiro isn’t a great player. He never has been”

He doesn’t think he’ll make us any better with the ball than what we have been. Wtf, has he closed his eyes watching Fred n Mctominay.

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[crossy1686]

“Casemiro isn’t a great player. He never has been”

He doesn’t think he’ll make us any better with the ball than what we have been. Wtf, has he closed his eyes watching Fred n Mctominay.

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Were Liverpool interested or something? They're acting like bitches over this.

 

[AlexUTD]

Souness is on the border of collapse after his favourite chewing toy Pogba left for italy

 

[crossy1686]

Souness is on the border of collapse after his favourite chewing toy Pogba left for italy

It's alright, Martial is still around

 

[Chief123]

Were Liverpool interested or something? They're acting like bitches over this.

It’s because they are having to deal with having a shite midfield with Thiago out.

 

[Red the Bear]

He's out of his mind here, even if casemiro ends up as a failure to cal himl average is beyond the pale after what he's achieved at Madrid.

You at least expect a former great defensive mid to appreciate those qualities.

 

[SuperiorXI]

Did Souness just say Casemiro isn't a great player? Is he drunk? If he's not great then who is?

 

[AlexUTD]

It's alright, Martial is still around

Awww poor Tony, he is so much more fragile! Stay away Souness!

 

[Chief123]

He's put of his mind here, even if casemiro ends up as a failure to call avrage is beyond the pale after what he achieved at Madrid.

You at least expect a former great defensive mid to appreciate those qualities.

Did Souness just say Casemiro isn't a great player? Is he drunk? If he's not great then who is?

Imagine being average and winning 5 champions league titles.

 

[AlexUTD]

Did Souness just say Casemiro isn't a great player? Is he drunk? If he's not great then who is?

Every british player with a national team cap before the 1980s i guess?

 

[Red the Bear]

Were Liverpool interested or something? They're acting like bitches over this.

Maybe it's due to him traumatizing them over the years.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

You know what you'll get from Souness.

I'd agree that United still need a ball playing midfielder in midfield with Casemiro. United have nobody technically gifted in the middle. Maybe Garner but he doesn't seem to be at the level needed.

 

[SuperiorXI]

Every british player with a national team cap before the 1980s i guess?

It's all Pogba's fault

 

[lefty_jakobz]

Were Liverpool interested or something? They're acting like bitches over this.

He’s gutted we got him. Plus he hasn’t forgiven Casemiro for pissing on his teams chances of winning the CL last season

 

[poleglass red]

both Carragher and Souness saying the same. They blast us week in, week out for not having character, no leadership. We sign a player with those traits, still not good enough. We won't sort our problems out in 1 window, we'll need several. This is a start, way too late of a start granted, but it's addressed an issue we've had for years, ie the need for defensive cover from midfield. We still need the conductor type as ETH labels it, we know that. Maybe Erikson can play that role until we get one, although I'd prefer him in the Bruno role

 

[AlexUTD]

It's all Pogba's fault

Whoa! that came out of nowhere!

 

[hatchetmac]

A furious Graeme Souness threatened an Anfield clear-out in the wake of the FA Cup humiliation by lowly Bolton.


The Anfield boss responded angrily to the 2-0 defeat by the second division side, by effectively branding his players gutless and greedy.


The Anfield defeat and its aftermath have finally seen Liverpool's lacklustre season balloon into a full-blown crisis.


Souness accepts part of the blame, admitting he has made mistakes since taking over almost two years ago, but he refuses to quit, saying: "The only way I know how to respond is to roll up my sleeves and battle on."


But while he's prepared to tough it out and fight for the club, he cannot stomach the lack of drive and passion from his men.

This is a quote from when he was liverpool manager and he thinks he has the right to be calling Eric ten Hag. what a muppet!