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41ish on average (apart from ep1) The end credits are 6/7 minutes and we get a 2 minute recap (unskipable) at the start meaning the show is a little over 30 minutes per episode. This is my only gripe really, I feel the episodes needed to be longer. Disney did the same thing with Mando.
 

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41ish on average (apart from ep1) The end credits are 6/7 minutes and we get a 2 minute recap (unskipable) at the start meaning the show is a little over 30 minutes per episode. This is my only gripe really, I feel the episodes needed to be longer. Disney did the same thing with Mando.
basically, they ate giving us 3 hours over 6 episodes, so in reality, They should have just given us a 3 hour movie which I think would have been better & was originally planned.

Disney & KK panicked and ditched movies we wanted, after giving us a movie we never asked for.

If Obi Wan had been written as movie, I think it would have been a lot better, than what we have.

Disney, love to use filler to waste an episode or two despite it being so short, they lack imagination & ability to write a good tight story, which all their shows have suffered from, even the Marvel ones, so it has to be some Disney directive higher up, re formula on TV series.
 

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Yeah and that why it's being watched even though it's terribly made, acted and written.
There are a lot of people who enjoy it for what it is.

The first two of of the prequels were trash. You can argue about whether they're better at specifically being Star Wars films than the sequels or whether they hang together better with each other but in terms of actual filmaking the first two of the sequels individually are far superior, which is reflected in how warmly they were received critically compared to the prequels.

But those prequels have benefitted from the nostalgia and revisionist outlook of the then-children for whom that was the first experience of Star Wars in the cinema, as well as better additional material set around the films like the Clone Wars tv show.

Meanwhile the sequel films haven't benefitted from that nostalgia (yet at least) and suffered from the lack of coherency between films. Not to mention TROS actually being trash and managing to aggravate even those who liked the previous two. Bad as the prequels may have been, at least they didn't feel like they were pulling in different directions.
I agree, the first two are crap from the prequels. the third is the best one (but maybe cos of comparison).
The sequels, the first is really good even if its a copy. BUt still good and was a good starting point
The nonsense was not having a plan and letting directors do their own thing, and then bringing back JJ to basically nullify the second one (which in turn makes the second one really bad)
 

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I'm enjoying it as a Star Wars fan. Can't help feeling Mandalorian was more buttoned up. Obi Wan has a great skeleton but there's something off about the way they've fleshed it out. Can't quite put my finger on it .
 

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I'm enjoying it as a Star Wars fan. Can't help feeling Mandalorian was more buttoned up. Obi Wan has a great skeleton but there's something off about the way they've fleshed it out. Can't quite put my finger on it .
Same I actually like how we see a PTSD Obi-Wan struggle with the fallout from the events of episode 3. There’s some parts I don’t care for but it’s definitely better than the movie Episodes 8 + 9. As for the TV spin offs, it’s better than Boba Fett which I really only enjoyed the final 2 episodes.
 

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Same I actually like how we see a PTSD Obi-Wan struggle with the fallout from the events of episode 3. There’s some parts I don’t care for but it’s definitely better than the movie Episodes 8 + 9. As for the TV spin offs, it’s better than Boba Fett which I really only enjoyed the final 2 episodes.
I've liked that aspect as well. Also so glad they have been able to bring the same actors on from Ep1-3. Both for nostalgia and continuity.
 

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Not sure how this will turn out. The unfortunate downside to Disney owning the franchise and a streaming service is that we are going to get bombarded with news shows each year, which will probably only obscure the canon.

 

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Not sure how this will turn out. The unfortunate downside to Disney owning the franchise and a streaming service is that we are going to get bombarded with news shows each year, which will probably only obscure the canon.

Andor should be good from what I've seen and heard.

24 episodes leading straight into Rogue One.
 

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The Finale is tomorrow.

Wonder if they will announce this limited series, will get a second season :lol:
 

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Episode feels full of plot holes but yet oddly feel satisfied. They had to level Vader down from what we just saw in real terms an hour earlier in his fight with Reva and buff Obi Wan 100 times over to pull it off from the feeble old man he just was an hour ago in the last episode but was still satisfied with the episode. I thought they'd do the Ahsoka mask slash so that was nice to see. The emperor came off a little weird in his dialogue, uncertain what happens to Reva now with her just wandering the galaxy, probably a spin off series but I thought she'd die since she never appears in Rebels she seemingly doesn't face the Grand Inquisitor again who has been completely irrelevant this entire series. Maybe something they'll explore in the second series if it happens. Not sure how Obi Wan managed to get to Tatooine in about 17 seconds just in time to see Reva bring Luke back the short distance that she chased him. Nice to see the Qui-Gon cameo and couldn't help but laugh at 'hello there'
 

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Episode feels full of plot holes but yet oddly feel satisfied. They had to level Vader down from what we just saw in real terms an hour earlier in his fight with Reva and buff Obi Wan 100 times over to pull it off from the feeble old man he just was an hour ago in the last episode but was still satisfied with the episode. I thought they'd do the Ahsoka mask slash so that was nice to see. The emperor came off a little weird in his dialogue, uncertain what happens to Reva now with her just wandering the galaxy, probably a spin off series but I thought she'd die since she never appears in Rebels she seemingly doesn't face the Grand Inquisitor again who has been completely irrelevant this entire series. Maybe something they'll explore in the second series if it happens. Not sure how Obi Wan managed to get to Tatooine in about 17 seconds just in time to see Reva bring Luke back the short distance that she chased him. Nice to see the Qui-Gon cameo and couldn't help but laugh at 'hello there'
Was a decent enough Finale, ruined by the crazy first few episodes & lack of logic at times, but overall decent enough.

Fan service was given.
 

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I've seen a lot of chatter about one but nothing confirmed.
As always Disney don't plan ahead and suddenly decide to throw in the possibility of adding a second series after the first episode was so popular.

Another KK classic.

However, there isn't really much they could do, given Obi is the most hunted person in the galaxy now, so wouldn't make sense having him going around the galaxy, also he has training to do.
 

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I didn't get how Reva knew that the 'children' referred to by Organa were Vaders?
 

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I didn't get how Reva knew that the 'children' referred to by Organa were Vaders?
She didn't...she just knew that a guy called Owen on Tatooine had a force sensitive child.

The dumb thing from George Lucas' side is why wouldn't they have called him Luke Lars and hid the Skywalker name completely, until ANH
 

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She didn't...she just knew that a guy called Owen on Tatooine had a force sensitive child.

The dumb thing from George Lucas' side is why wouldn't they have called him Luke Lars and hid the Skywalker name completely, until ANH
Then...why travel across the universe to....kill...a force sensitive child...while...dying.

feck this show man.
 

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Ultimately this series delivered (among other things) two more lightsaber fights between Obi Wan Kenobi and Darth Vader.

If the plot, writing, staging, directing or acting is too unsophisticated for your inner child to find the show worthwhile on that sort of basis, maybe just stop watching content orientated towards children and young teens. Because no shit you, a grown adult, are going to find flaws in it.
 

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Ultimately this series delivered (among other things) two more lightsaber fights between Obi Wan Kenobi and Darth Vader.

If the plot, writing, staging, directing or acting is too unsophisticated for your inner child to find the show worthwhile on that sort of basis, maybe just stop watching content orientated towards children and young teens. Because no shit you, a grown adult, are going to find flaws in it.
Amen! Thought it was terrific viewing, because I didnt compare it to the Sopranos like most would do.
 

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Thought that was done about as well as it could have been.
Thought Ewan McGregors acting and his characters development over the series was quite strong, thought they found a good premise and reason to drag him out of retirement. Premise required some heavy lifting on Reva's part but i quite liked her character, im probably partial to her just because she isn't from the same thin cast of characters over and over again. Leia was tolerable, child actors are a hard sell but they got away with it. Lots of random points where you question 'why didn't they just kill them at that point?' but the answer is obvious so ...
Frequently cheesy and slightly rubbish but that made me laugh or it was weirdly charming. Like a stormtrooper banging their head on the door frame.
Vader could have been better, the weird movement and computerised voice were often distracting and weird.
 

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Thought that was done about as well as it could have been.
Thought Ewan McGregors acting and his characters development over the series was quite strong, thought they found a good premise and reason to drag him out of retirement. Premise required some heavy lifting on Reva's part but i quite liked her character, im probably partial to her just because she isn't from the same thin cast of characters over and over again. Leia was tolerable, child actors are a hard sell but they got away with it. Lots of random points where you question 'why didn't they just kill them at that point?' but the answer is obvious so ...
Frequently cheesy and slightly rubbish but that made me laugh or it was weirdly charming. Like a stormtrooper banging their head on the door frame.
Vader could have been better, the weird movement and computerised voice were often distracting and weird.
Reva acting left alot to be desired. The girl can't act and lacks charisma big time. She's annoying. Like the teacher's pet.

Tessa thompson valkryie is much better characterisation arc. I can honestly root for her. She got that smug but adorable and big shot attitude. Which is good.

Reva is just... Annoying and felt forced in everything she does
 

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Reva acting left alot to be desired. The girl can't act and lacks charisma big time. She's annoying. Like the teacher's pet.

Tessa thompson valkryie is much better characterisation arc. I can honestly root for her. She got that smug but adorable and big shot attitude. Which is good.

Reva is just... Annoying and felt forced in everything she does
*shrug*
I liked her, had no issue with her acting
 

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Brilliant Finale. That fight was awesome. Perfectly done. I do kinda wish there was more dialogue between the two.
 

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Because Obiwan was protecting him and she wanted revenge.
Seems legit.

Also seems legit that the greatest General of the Jedi left his super duper secret message (with knowledge he was willing to sacrifice many lives including his over) with essentially a thief.
 

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If I was Vader, and I'd been burned horrifically on a volcano planet, I'd be spending my time on that paradise island from Rogue One rather than a volcano planet. I'd be sipping Daiquiri's and getting a tan rather than breathing in sulphur all day, no wonder he needs a mask.
 

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Well, that was impressively shit. Even for Disney standards. TLJ all over again.
 

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Ultimately this series delivered (among other things) two more lightsaber fights between Obi Wan Kenobi and Darth Vader.

If the plot, writing, staging, directing or acting is too unsophisticated for your inner child to find the show worthwhile on that sort of basis, maybe just stop watching content orientated towards children and young teens. Because no shit you, a grown adult, are going to find flaws in it.
This has always been a bad take. Excusing SHIT because "HuR dUr ItS a KiDs ShOw" when there are so many kid/family shows with fantastic writing.

Oh, and those two canon breaking Vader-Kenobi fights aren't something to hype up.
 

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If I was Vader, and I'd been burned horrifically on a volcano planet, I'd be spending my time on that paradise island from Rogue One rather than a volcano planet. I'd be sipping Daiquiri's and getting a tan rather than breathing in sulphur all day, no wonder he needs a mask.
In Canon, Mustafa is strong in the dark side of the force and Vaders Castle is built upon ancient Sith ruins etc, enabling him to channel the dark side and grow more powerful etc.

Mustafa also features in the opening scenes of Rise of Skywalker (the lava has by then retracted) There was more to those scenes but got cut.
 

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This has always been a bad take. Excusing SHIT because "HuR dUr ItS a KiDs ShOw" when there are so many kid/family shows with fantastic writing.

Oh, and those two canon breaking Vader-Kenobi fights aren't something to hype up.
Bad writing is bad writing. And if the writing is so bad that you didn't enjoy the show, you can always stop watching the show. After all, you don't want to end up becoming one of those Saltier-Than-Crait type losers who spend their time on the internet whining about Disney Star Wars content they seem to insist on watching every minute of.

Turn it off, go outside, read a book, watch a different TV show, whatever. All happy in the knowledge that you're avoiding the bad writing and canon-breaking you're not enjoying. That's what I quickly did with the Bobba Fett TV show for example, which I thought was tedious.

But this is a continuation of the franchise that brought us Jar Jar Binks, Ewoks, Hayden Christensen's terrible acting, high ground, cgi Yoda, randomly deciding characters are brother and sister half-way through a trilogy, that casino planet side quest, sand getting everywhere, trade disputes, the emperor somehow returning, midi-chlorians, etc etc. So forgive me if I expect people to know going in that there will likely be some weak, dumb, badly played, badly written and illogical aspects to the show. It's Star Wars, not The Wire.

And more generally if I decide to spend my time watching content geared towards children rather than adult fare pitched to my level, I lower my expectations in terms of how much I'm likely to get from that content. As opposed to being surprised that the kid's/family franchise I'm watching as an adult isn't as appealing to me as it was when I was a kid, or isn't fully satisfying my needs as a viewer. Because even if it's extremely well written, it's still not pitched towards me.

But if you had offered 13 year old me this standard a TV show as a follow on from the dire Star Wars films he had just seen in the cinema, he would have snapped your hand off. So if highlights like the lightsaber fights or whatever didn't make me feel the show was worthwhile even on that level, I'd probably just move on to something mid-30s me is more likely to enjoy.
 

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Bad writing is bad writing. And if the writing is so bad that you didn't enjoy the show, you can always stop watching the show. After all, you don't want to end up becoming one of those Saltier-Than-Crait type losers who spend their time on the internet whining about Disney Star Wars content they seem to insist on watching every minute of.

Turn it off, go outside, read a book, watch a different TV show, whatever. All happy in the knowledge that you're avoiding the bad writing and canon-breaking you're not enjoying. That's what I quickly did with the Bobba Fett TV show for example, which I thought was tedious.

But this is a continuation of the franchise that brought us Jar Jar Binks, Ewoks, Hayden Christensen's terrible acting, high ground, cgi Yoda, randomly deciding characters are brother and sister half-way through a trilogy, that casino planet side quest, sand getting everywhere, trade disputes, the emperor somehow returning, midi-chlorians, etc etc. So forgive me if I expect people to know going in that there will likely be some weak, dumb, badly played, badly written and illogical aspects to the show. It's Star Wars, not The Wire.

And more generally if I decide to spend my time watching content geared towards children rather than adult fare pitched to my level, I lower my expectations in terms of how much I'm likely to get from that content. As opposed to being surprised that the kid's/family franchise I'm watching as an adult isn't as appealing to me as it was when I was a kid, or isn't fully satisfying my needs as a viewer. Because even if it's extremely well written, it's still not pitched towards me.

But if you had offered 13 year old me this standard a TV show as a follow on from the dire Star Wars films he had just seen in the cinema, he would have snapped your hand off. So if highlights like the lightsaber fights or whatever didn't make me feel the show was worthwhile even on that level, I'd probably just move on to something mid-30s me is more likely to enjoy.
I enjoyed that 2nd lightsaber fight too. Thought it was fantastic. Thought the scene following it was excellent too, well shot, sounded great.
 

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Should’ve really just focused more on everything skywalker for this. Obi wan vs Vader and obi wan protecting/saving the kids. One last solid skywalker story before fecking it off for good and focusing on the rest of the galaxy.

Everything else was a bit shite. Too little time to build a story around a new character when everyone clearly wants Kenobi.

Did enjoy the last episode but probably due to the fan service mainly. The fight was fantastic. Wonder where it goes should the second season happen.
 

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The fight was outstanding. There are parts of this show which were daft (like most of episode 4) but I enjoyed that final episode. Lots of good fan service.

Lightsaber battles are way better in darkness where the saber's can really stand out.