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Stars and Reserves Draft - Winner: Gio
- Thread starter Don Alfredo
- Start date
Filipe Luis
Final squads
1. GodShaveTheQueen - 1) *D. Dzajic 2) *K. Hamrin 3) O. Sivori 4) I. Netto 5) R. Bonhof 6) I. Rush 7) R. Ferri 8) C. Azpilicueta 9) N. Hidegkuti 10) W. Zmuda 11) J. Luis Chilavert 12) F. Luis
2. Brwned - 1) *M. Laudrup 2) M. Salah 3) ^L. Sane 4) R. Varane 5) *L. Modric 6) *L. Junior 7) Leandro 8) S. Ramos 9) H. Kane 10) H. Szymaniak 11) M. ter Stegen 12) C. Cueto
3. Michaelf7777777/cubemine - 1) R. Bochini 2) G. Bulgarelli 3. R. Benetti 4) Germano (POR) 5) R. Gordillo 6) D. Bertoni 7) I. Casillas 8) M. Fazlagic 9) G. Chiellini 10) *S. Eto'o 11) *M. Coluna 12) *R. Rensenbrink
4. Šjor Bepo/Pat_Mustard - 1) N. Liedholm 2) *O. Blokhin 3) E. Francescoli 4) A. Benarrivo 5) K. De Bruyne 6) Maicon 7) J. Terry 8) J. Mascherano 9) D. De Gea 10) M. Reus 11) *R. Carvalho 12) T. Muller
5. EAP/Indy/OneNil - 1) *U. Seeler 2) W. Sagnol 3) *B. Lizarazu 4) D. Blanchflower 5) L. Brady 6) G. Popescu 7) *Kaka 8) ^R. Neves 9) G. Mendieta 10) M. Khurtsilava 11) Gilmar 12) E. Cambiasso
6. Jim Beam/Invictus - 1) *H. Stoichkov 2) F. Albert 3) *J. Bozsik 4) D. Villa 5) M. Silva 6) A. Amaro 7) O. Kahn 8) G. Buchwald 9) L. Pereira 10) E. Abidal 11) H-D. Höttges 12) *L. Blanc
7. Don Alfredo - 1) *P. Nedved 2) C. Vieri 3) J. Heynckes 4) P. Evra 5) V. van Dijk 6) ^M. De Ligt 7) C. Gamarra 8) Jorginho 9) *G. Souness 10) *A. Del Piero 11) J.M. Pfaff 12) Dunga
8. P-Nut0712/Arbitrium - 1) Neymar 2) ^J. Kimmich 3) J. Veron 4) *K-H Schnellinger 5) C. Puyol 6) N. Stiles 7) *A. Shesternyov 8) *G. Batistuta 9) G. van Bronckhorst 10) Pedro 11) W. Zenga 12) *M. Ballack
9. Moby - 1) *Jairzinho 2) *Rivelino 3) *B. Schuster 4) ^L. Hernandez 5) R. Bratseth 6) S. Lerby 7) M. Essien 8) P. Rossi 9) D. Petrescu 10) R. Israel 11) *J. Santamaria 12) A. Zubizarreta
10. green_smiley -1) K. Keegan 2) A. Simonsen 3) F. Ribery 4) H-G Schwarzenbeck 5) *E. Gerets 6) H. Blankenburg 7) *H-P Briegel 8) V. Jugovic 9) ^B. Pavard 10) *M. Tardelli 11) G. Grosics 12) H. Krankl
11. Gio - 1) *F. Gento 2) D. Savicevic 3) H. Sanchez 4) W. Schulz 5) B. Bremner 6) *G. Rivera 7) R. Rosato 8) R. Dzodzuashvili 9) P. Jennings 10) O. Ardiles 11) J. Segarra 12) *H. Chumpitaz
12. Physiocrat - 1) *T. Finney 2) J. Barnes 3) M. Olsen 4) *W. Overath 5. M. Tassotti 6) H. Crespo 7) E. Hughes 8) F. Collovati 9) Raul 10) M. Senna 11) P. Cech 12) L. Enrique
13. MJJ - 1) N. Kante 2) P. Pogba 3) W. Rooney 4) *Marcelo 5) K. Mbappe 6) O .Bergmark 7) ^M. Skriniar 8) K. Sansom 9) *P. Vierchowod 10) *Z. Boniek 11) *A. Pirlo 12) M. Preud homme
14. Ecstatic - 1) *J. Greaves 2) *D. Beckham 3) *R. Giggs 4) *P. Vieira 5) K. Dalglish 6) D. Mackay 7) J. Armfield 8) J. Popluhar 9) J. Giles 10) ^P. Kimpembe 11) D. Drogba 12) R. Clemence
15. Skizzo - 1) E. Cantona 2) A. Shearer 3) A. Hansen 4) D. Irwin 5) R. Donadoni 6) T. Adams 7) P. Shilton 8) P. Cocu 9) R. Pires 10) *A. Cole 11) *J. Pirri 12) G. Neville
16. Himannv/2mufc0 - 1) *R. Kopa 2) A. Costacurta 3) E. Hazard 4) S. Aguero 5) S. Effenberg 6) G. Bale 7) *M. Amoros 8) G. Zambrotta 9) *Lucio 10) D. Simeone 11) Aldair 12) N. Southall
2. Brwned - 1) *M. Laudrup 2) M. Salah 3) ^L. Sane 4) R. Varane 5) *L. Modric 6) *L. Junior 7) Leandro 8) S. Ramos 9) H. Kane 10) H. Szymaniak 11) M. ter Stegen 12) C. Cueto
3. Michaelf7777777/cubemine - 1) R. Bochini 2) G. Bulgarelli 3. R. Benetti 4) Germano (POR) 5) R. Gordillo 6) D. Bertoni 7) I. Casillas 8) M. Fazlagic 9) G. Chiellini 10) *S. Eto'o 11) *M. Coluna 12) *R. Rensenbrink
4. Šjor Bepo/Pat_Mustard - 1) N. Liedholm 2) *O. Blokhin 3) E. Francescoli 4) A. Benarrivo 5) K. De Bruyne 6) Maicon 7) J. Terry 8) J. Mascherano 9) D. De Gea 10) M. Reus 11) *R. Carvalho 12) T. Muller
5. EAP/Indy/OneNil - 1) *U. Seeler 2) W. Sagnol 3) *B. Lizarazu 4) D. Blanchflower 5) L. Brady 6) G. Popescu 7) *Kaka 8) ^R. Neves 9) G. Mendieta 10) M. Khurtsilava 11) Gilmar 12) E. Cambiasso
6. Jim Beam/Invictus - 1) *H. Stoichkov 2) F. Albert 3) *J. Bozsik 4) D. Villa 5) M. Silva 6) A. Amaro 7) O. Kahn 8) G. Buchwald 9) L. Pereira 10) E. Abidal 11) H-D. Höttges 12) *L. Blanc
7. Don Alfredo - 1) *P. Nedved 2) C. Vieri 3) J. Heynckes 4) P. Evra 5) V. van Dijk 6) ^M. De Ligt 7) C. Gamarra 8) Jorginho 9) *G. Souness 10) *A. Del Piero 11) J.M. Pfaff 12) Dunga
8. P-Nut0712/Arbitrium - 1) Neymar 2) ^J. Kimmich 3) J. Veron 4) *K-H Schnellinger 5) C. Puyol 6) N. Stiles 7) *A. Shesternyov 8) *G. Batistuta 9) G. van Bronckhorst 10) Pedro 11) W. Zenga 12) *M. Ballack
9. Moby - 1) *Jairzinho 2) *Rivelino 3) *B. Schuster 4) ^L. Hernandez 5) R. Bratseth 6) S. Lerby 7) M. Essien 8) P. Rossi 9) D. Petrescu 10) R. Israel 11) *J. Santamaria 12) A. Zubizarreta
10. green_smiley -1) K. Keegan 2) A. Simonsen 3) F. Ribery 4) H-G Schwarzenbeck 5) *E. Gerets 6) H. Blankenburg 7) *H-P Briegel 8) V. Jugovic 9) ^B. Pavard 10) *M. Tardelli 11) G. Grosics 12) H. Krankl
11. Gio - 1) *F. Gento 2) D. Savicevic 3) H. Sanchez 4) W. Schulz 5) B. Bremner 6) *G. Rivera 7) R. Rosato 8) R. Dzodzuashvili 9) P. Jennings 10) O. Ardiles 11) J. Segarra 12) *H. Chumpitaz
12. Physiocrat - 1) *T. Finney 2) J. Barnes 3) M. Olsen 4) *W. Overath 5. M. Tassotti 6) H. Crespo 7) E. Hughes 8) F. Collovati 9) Raul 10) M. Senna 11) P. Cech 12) L. Enrique
13. MJJ - 1) N. Kante 2) P. Pogba 3) W. Rooney 4) *Marcelo 5) K. Mbappe 6) O .Bergmark 7) ^M. Skriniar 8) K. Sansom 9) *P. Vierchowod 10) *Z. Boniek 11) *A. Pirlo 12) M. Preud homme
14. Ecstatic - 1) *J. Greaves 2) *D. Beckham 3) *R. Giggs 4) *P. Vieira 5) K. Dalglish 6) D. Mackay 7) J. Armfield 8) J. Popluhar 9) J. Giles 10) ^P. Kimpembe 11) D. Drogba 12) R. Clemence
15. Skizzo - 1) E. Cantona 2) A. Shearer 3) A. Hansen 4) D. Irwin 5) R. Donadoni 6) T. Adams 7) P. Shilton 8) P. Cocu 9) R. Pires 10) *A. Cole 11) *J. Pirri 12) G. Neville
16. Himannv/2mufc0 - 1) *R. Kopa 2) A. Costacurta 3) E. Hazard 4) S. Aguero 5) S. Effenberg 6) G. Bale 7) *M. Amoros 8) G. Zambrotta 9) *Lucio 10) D. Simeone 11) Aldair 12) N. Southall
@Don Alfredo when do you fancy playing mate?
That's it, we made it there in the end rather quickly.
We can now talk about the major injustices, which unpicked reserve players got shafted?
I am a bit surprised by the lack of young players.
We can now talk about the major injustices, which unpicked reserve players got shafted?
I am a bit surprised by the lack of young players.
Apart from the very top young players they'd likely be seen as sheep and the difference in quality between star player and reserve player isn't great enough to make that viable I'd say
I could send in my write up today and we have the match tomorrow if that's okay with you?
Yeah sure, I can try and get it in tonight at work so we can start tomorrow. Would prefer an after dinner kick off though as I'll be asleep throughout the morning
Alright let's do that
This.
Who are we sending write ups to?Alright let's do that
Was surprised gerrard wasn't picked, is he on the star list?
Already have two matches atleast tomorrow.
On the starfish list apparently.
Given his reputation around here, he might have been passed on even if he was on the youth list.
Enigma
No
Lampard is also unpicked and he is much easier to sell than Stevie Me.
In contrast, lots of modern players (currently active) have been very popular this time, might have been partially down to the Modern Draft
Oh feck I missed that, @P-Nut0712 any other day you prefer?
Write up Info
FAO: Please indicate if you want a specific kick off time. Generally will put them up at around 12:00 GMT.
Would appreciate if write ups are sent 2-3 hours prior kick off.
Would appreciate if write ups are sent 2-3 hours prior kick off.
@Gio picks him from time to time but the midfield cnut clot was already filled
A bit surprised that he wasn't picked in all seriousness. No one likes him here but I think that he doesn't have a Terry-esque reputation/record in our drafts if you make sure to provide enough cover for him.
edit: Lampard too? Interesting.
15-Tue:
EAP/Indy/OneNil vs Physiocrat
MJJ vs Moby
Šjor Bepo/Pat_Mustard vs Brwned
Ecstatic vs Jim Beam/Invictus
Michaelf7777777/cubemine vs green_smiley
Himannv/2mufc0 vs Skizzo
GodShaveTheQueen vs Gio
P-Nut0712/Arbitrium vs Don Alfredo
EAP/Indy/OneNil vs Physiocrat
MJJ vs Moby
Šjor Bepo/Pat_Mustard vs Brwned
Ecstatic vs Jim Beam/Invictus
Michaelf7777777/cubemine vs green_smiley
Himannv/2mufc0 vs Skizzo
GodShaveTheQueen vs Gio
P-Nut0712/Arbitrium vs Don Alfredo
Blame @Pat_Mustard He'd have fit in seamlessly with the rest of the trash.
Go for Wednesday?
I was tempted but went with Luis Enrique instead
I think some of that is the result of both of them looking poor together for the NT. It makes them both look less adaptable outside their club's tactical system. Gerrard had a decent run out in some draft this past year I think where he was played as a RM. I think that works better for Gerrard than CM and Lampard really looks out of place in any tactical system but a 451 for me at least.
I'm fine with that
15-Tue:
EAP/Indy/OneNil vs Physiocrat
MJJ vs Moby
16-Wed:
P-Nut0712/Arbitrium vs Don Alfredo
Šjor Bepo/Pat_Mustard vs Brwned
Ecstatic vs Jim Beam/Invictus
Michaelf7777777/cubemine vs green_smiley
Himannv/2mufc0 vs Skizzo
GodShaveTheQueen vs Gio
@Gio picks him from time to time but the midfield cnut clot was already filled
A bit surprised that he wasn't picked in all seriousness. No one likes him here but I think that he doesn't have a Terry-esque reputation/record in our drafts if you make sure to provide enough cover for him.
edit: Lampard too? Interesting.
Was thinking of picking him instead of pogba but really wanted to create a side that would work alongside pogba and pirlo so decided not to go for him.
Burgnich and Netzer are the two big ones from the star list for me. Best stopper and best playmaker in the game. Burgnich suffers from being neither a right back nor a centre back, rather than being both. I was tempted to get him but didn't fancy the arguments. Netzer has a lot of competition but I'm surprised about him. Would've picked him ahead of Laudrup personally, but Laudrup's reputation on here is hard to get past.
Also sad to see Tostao overlooked once more
Also sad to see Tostao overlooked once more
@GodShaveTheQueen When do you want to play? I'm okay the next couple of days then pretty busy from Thursday to Sunday.
I can do Wednesday mate.
That's no way to talk about one of your club's best ever players.
He would have been a decent fit for our team at RCM as it happens.
I played him on the right of a diamond in some draft not that long ago and he was actually well-received.
Mustard trying to escape from Muller pick, nope, not today.
Wednesday it is then.
So would he in ours
The whole thing gets overegged though. I mean Gerrard and Lampard actually played well together at Euro 2004 when Gerrard was the base of the diamond and Lampard was the tip of it. Obviously they were poor after that and crying out for a holder to free them both up. But ultimately there are not many in the history of the game better as attacking box-to-box 8s.
As attacking CMs, neither Gerrard nor Lampard would even breach Top 10 in all time list. The likes of Didi, Neeskens. Robson, Tigana, Breitner, Schuster, Masopust etc are at least a level if not two above them. Do the likes of Xavi, Falcao, Suarez also fit in as No.8?
Neither one fits into possession or one-touch attacking sides for me. They both lack agility and close control and for a lot of tactics those traits are extremely important in that role. For instance, besides the big names there are a lot of tactics I'd rather have a David Silva, prime Cesc or a Gerson type. Plus they lack the strength and power to outmuscle the top tier B2Bs like Robson and Davids. I feel players like Vieira and Keane (along with all the ones Edgar mentioned) fit into a much wider range of tactics and player combos than Lampard and Gerrard.
And I'd take a prime Ballack over either too!
Good shout there, I would too