Stars and Reserves Draft - Winner: Gio

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15. Skizzo - 1) E. Cantona 2) A. Shearer 3) A. Hansen 4) D. Irwin 5) R. Donadoni 6) T. Adams 7) P. Shilton 8) P. Cocu 9) R. Pires 10) *A. Cole 11) *J. Pirri 12) G. Neville 13) ^J. Kimmich

13. MJJ - 1) N. Kante 2) P. Pogba 3) W. Rooney 4) *Marcelo 5) K. Mbappe 6) O .Bergmark 7) ^M. Skriniar 8) K. Sansom 9) *P. Vierchowod 10) *Z. Boniek 11) *A. Pirlo 12) M. Preud homme 13) *D. Dzajic

12. Physiocrat - 1) *T. Finney 2) J. Barnes 3) M. Olsen 4) *W. Overath 5. M. Tassotti 6) H. Crespo 7) E. Hughes 8) F. Collovati 9) Raul 10) M. Senna 11) P. Cech 12) L. Enrique 13. *U.Seeler

11. Gio - 1) *F. Gento 2) D. Savicevic 3) H. Sanchez 4) W. Schulz 5) B. Bremner 6) *G. Rivera 7) R. Rosato 8) R. Dzodzuashvili 9) P. Jennings 10) O. Ardiles 11) J. Segarra 12) *H. Chumpitaz 13) I. Netto

10. green_smiley -1) K. Keegan 2) A. Simonsen 3) F. Ribery 4) H-G Schwarzenbeck 5) *E. Gerets 6) H. Blankenburg 7) *H-P Briegel 8) V. Jugovic 9) ^B. Pavard 10) *M. Tardelli 11) G. Grosics 12) H. Krankl 13) K. Dalglish 14) S. Lerby

7. Don Alfredo - 1) *P. Nedved 2) C. Vieri 3) J. Heynckes 4) P. Evra 5) V. van Dijk 6) ^M. De Ligt 7) C. Gamarra 8) Jorginho 9) *G. Souness 10) *A. Del Piero 11) J.M. Pfaff 12) Dunga 13) *M. Amoros 14) ^L. Sane

6. Jim Beam/Invictus - 1) *H. Stoichkov 2) F. Albert 3) *J. Bozsik 4) D. Villa 5) M. Silva 6) A. Amaro 7) O. Kahn 8) G. Buchwald 9) L. Pereira 10) E. Abidal 11) H-D. Höttges 12) *L. Blanc 13) O. Sívori 14) C. Puyol

4. Šjor Bepo/Pat_Mustard - 1) N. Liedholm 2) *O. Blokhin 3) E. Francescoli 4) A. Benarrivo 5) K. De Bruyne 6) Maicon 7) J. Terry 8) J. Mascherano 9) D. De Gea 10) M. Reus 11) *R. Carvalho 12) T. Muller 13) A. Costacurta 14) *A. Robben

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15. Skizzo - 1) E. Cantona 2) A. Shearer 3) A. Hansen 4) D. Irwin 5) R. Donadoni 6) T. Adams 7) P. Shilton 8) P. Cocu 9) R. Pires 10) *A. Cole 11) *J. Pirri 12) G. Neville 13) ^J. Kimmich

13. MJJ - 1) N. Kante 2) P. Pogba 3) W. Rooney 4) *Marcelo 5) K. Mbappe 6) O .Bergmark 7) ^M. Skriniar 8) K. Sansom 9) *P. Vierchowod 10) *Z. Boniek 11) *A. Pirlo 12) M. Preud homme 13) *D. Dzajic

12. Physiocrat - 1) *T. Finney 2) J. Barnes 3) M. Olsen 4) *W. Overath 5. M. Tassotti 6) H. Crespo 7) E. Hughes 8) F. Collovati 9) Raul 10) M. Senna 11) P. Cech 12) L. Enrique 13. *U.Seeler

11. Gio - 1) *F. Gento 2) D. Savicevic 3) H. Sanchez 4) W. Schulz 5) B. Bremner 6) *G. Rivera 7) R. Rosato 8) R. Dzodzuashvili 9) P. Jennings 10) O. Ardiles 11) J. Segarra 12) *H. Chumpitaz 13) I. Netto 14) *K.H. Schnellinger

10. green_smiley -1) K. Keegan 2) A. Simonsen 3) F. Ribery 4) H-G Schwarzenbeck 5) *E. Gerets 6) H. Blankenburg 7) *H-P Briegel 8) V. Jugovic 9) ^B. Pavard 10) *M. Tardelli 11) G. Grosics 12) H. Krankl 13) K. Dalglish 14) S. Lerby

7. Don Alfredo - 1) *P. Nedved 2) C. Vieri 3) J. Heynckes 4) P. Evra 5) V. van Dijk 6) ^M. De Ligt 7) C. Gamarra 8) Jorginho 9) *G. Souness 10) *A. Del Piero 11) J.M. Pfaff 12) Dunga 13) *M. Amoros 14) ^L. Sane

6. Jim Beam/Invictus - 1) *H. Stoichkov 2) F. Albert 3) *J. Bozsik 4) D. Villa 5) M. Silva 6) A. Amaro 7) O. Kahn 8) G. Buchwald 9) L. Pereira 10) E. Abidal 11) H-D. Höttges 12) *L. Blanc 13) O. Sívori 14) C. Puyol

4. Šjor Bepo/Pat_Mustard - 1) N. Liedholm 2) *O. Blokhin 3) E. Francescoli 4) A. Benarrivo 5) K. De Bruyne 6) Maicon 7) J. Terry 8) J. Mascherano 9) D. De Gea 10) M. Reus 11) *R. Carvalho 12) T. Muller 13) A. Costacurta 14) *A. Robben
 
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Šjor Bepo said:
4. Šjor Bepo/Pat_Mustard - 1) N. Liedholm 2) *O. Blokhin 3) E. Francescoli 4) A. Benarrivo 5) K. De Bruyne 6) Maicon 7) J. Terry 8) J. Mascherano 9) D. De Gea 10) M. Reus 11) *R. Carvalho 12) T. Muller 13) A. Costacurta 14) *A. Robben
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No Liedholm-Hamrin reunion then :(
 

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15. Skizzo - 1) E. Cantona 2) A. Shearer 3) A. Hansen 4) D. Irwin 5) R. Donadoni 6) T. Adams 7) P. Shilton 8) P. Cocu 9) R. Pires 10) *A. Cole 11) *J. Pirri 12) G. Neville 13) ^J. Kimmich

13. MJJ - 1) N. Kante 2) P. Pogba 3) W. Rooney 4) *Marcelo 5) K. Mbappe 6) O .Bergmark 7) ^M. Skriniar 8) K. Sansom 9) *P. Vierchowod 10) *Z. Boniek 11) *A. Pirlo 12) M. Preud homme 13) *D. Dzajic 14) G. Zambrotta

12. Physiocrat - 1) *T. Finney 2) J. Barnes 3) M. Olsen 4) *W. Overath 5. M. Tassotti 6) H. Crespo 7) E. Hughes 8) F. Collovati 9) Raul 10) M. Senna 11) P. Cech 12) L. Enrique 13. *U.Seeler 14. D. Mackay

11. Gio - 1) *F. Gento 2) D. Savicevic 3) H. Sanchez 4) W. Schulz 5) B. Bremner 6) *G. Rivera 7) R. Rosato 8) R. Dzodzuashvili 9) P. Jennings 10) O. Ardiles 11) J. Segarra 12) *H. Chumpitaz 13) I. Netto 14) *K.H. Schnellinger

10. green_smiley -1) K. Keegan 2) A. Simonsen 3) F. Ribery 4) H-G Schwarzenbeck 5) *E. Gerets 6) H. Blankenburg 7) *H-P Briegel 8) V. Jugovic 9) ^B. Pavard 10) *M. Tardelli 11) G. Grosics 12) H. Krankl 13) K. Dalglish 14) S. Lerby

7. Don Alfredo - 1) *P. Nedved 2) C. Vieri 3) J. Heynckes 4) P. Evra 5) V. van Dijk 6) ^M. De Ligt 7) C. Gamarra 8) Jorginho 9) *G. Souness 10) *A. Del Piero 11) J.M. Pfaff 12) Dunga 13) *M. Amoros 14) ^L. Sane

6. Jim Beam/Invictus - 1) *H. Stoichkov 2) F. Albert 3) *J. Bozsik 4) D. Villa 5) M. Silva 6) A. Amaro 7) O. Kahn 8) G. Buchwald 9) L. Pereira 10) E. Abidal 11) H-D. Höttges 12) *L. Blanc 13) O. Sívori 14) C. Puyol

4. Šjor Bepo/Pat_Mustard - 1) N. Liedholm 2) *O. Blokhin 3) E. Francescoli 4) A. Benarrivo 5) K. De Bruyne 6) Maicon 7) J. Terry 8) J. Mascherano 9) D. De Gea 10) M. Reus 11) *R. Carvalho 12) T. Muller 13) A. Costacurta 14) *A. Robben
 

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Why you strolled through against me with him in the side.
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He's seen as being on a completely different level to all the other young players, at least that's my impression.

Voters looked for the fault in every young player except for him basically, which is funny considering he's a very forward-thinking player and much more likely to leave his area exposed than other young players, just by the nature of his game and the positions he inhabits.

Generally the reception that young players got has been extremely harsh, I mean when you watch De Bruyne and Sane on the pitch for City together it is obvious more often than not that De Bruyne is the better player, but it's not like Sane is light years away from him in terms of performances. A lot of the times the young players here have been judged based on their CV, instead of simply using their current performance level (which is very good for players like Lucas Hernandez, Kimmich, Sane, De Ligt, Skriniar etc.).
 

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Don Alfredo said:
He's seen as being on a completely different level to all the other young players, at least that's my impression.

Voters looked for the fault in every young player except for him basically, which is funny considering he's a very forward-thinking player and much more likely to leave his area exposed than other young players, just by the nature of his game and the positions he inhabits.

Generally the reception that young players got has been extremely harsh, I mean when you watch De Bruyne and Sane on the pitch for City together it is obvious more often than not that De Bruyne is the better player, but it's not like Sane is light years away from him in terms of performances. A lot of the times the young players here have been judged based on their CV, instead of simply using their current performance level (which is very good for players like Lucas Hernandez, Kimmich, Sane, De Ligt, Skriniar etc.).
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disagree, they are judged correctly. You dont judge current performance you judge 3 year peak and apart from Mbappe(and even he doesnt have it but has 2 exceptional years so he gets a pass) there is nobody that fits those parameters.
There is a reason behind why you can get additional star player for every young player. Obviously they are better then some of the picked players but against the first 2 tiers of the pool they stand no chance and rightly so IMO.
 

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Don Alfredo said:
He's seen as being on a completely different level to all the other young players, at least that's my impression.

Voters looked for the fault in every young player except for him basically, which is funny considering he's a very forward-thinking player and much more likely to leave his area exposed than other young players, just by the nature of his game and the positions he inhabits.
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He is not seen on a completely different level, he also happens to be a full-back. Nobody gives a shit about FB.

Meaning, it is more likely you will get away with him than with other youngsters.
 

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Jim Beam said:
He is not seen on a completely different level, he also happens to be a full-back. Nobody gives a shit about FB.
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Absolutely true. FB's and goalkeepers are positions you are likely to get away with crap or average players in draft games.
 

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Absolutely true. FB's and goalkeepers are positions you are likely to get away with crap or average players in draft games.
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Unless they are up against top class wingers, which to be fair is true in real life unless you're expecting significant attacking contribution from them
 

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Enigma_87 said:
Absolutely true. FB's and goalkeepers are positions you are likely to get away with crap or average players in draft games.
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I used a bit of hyperbole there (people do think of their defensive aspects and what kind of FB would fit behind your winger), but yeah, looking at other positions you can absolutely make a case that it is a position just after GK in terms of importance.
 

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Physiocrat said:
Unless they are up against top class wingers, which to be fair is true in real life unless you're expecting significant attacking contribution from them
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Jim Beam said:
I used a bit of hyperbole there (people do think of their defensive aspects and what kind of FB would fit behind your winger), but yeah, looking at other positions you can absolutely make a case that it is a position just after GK in terms of importance.
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Yeah generally full backs are only cared about when facing a top class winger and their attacking contribution.

Their stylistic fit and general mechanics in the formation is rarely taken in mind, despite them having one of the most important roles and considering they cover an awful amount of space up and down the wing.

You can even get away with playing them as wing backs against great wingers if you have a covering CB on the side.
 
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15. Skizzo - 1) E. Cantona 2) A. Shearer 3) A. Hansen 4) D. Irwin 5) R. Donadoni 6) T. Adams 7) P. Shilton 8) P. Cocu 9) R. Pires 10) *A. Cole 11) *J. Pirri 12) G. Neville 13) ^J. Kimmich 14) *D. Beckham

13. MJJ - 1) N. Kante 2) P. Pogba 3) W. Rooney 4) *Marcelo 5) K. Mbappe 6) O .Bergmark 7) ^M. Skriniar 8) K. Sansom 9) *P. Vierchowod 10) *Z. Boniek 11) *A. Pirlo 12) M. Preud homme 13) *D. Dzajic 14) G. Zambrotta

12. Physiocrat - 1) *T. Finney 2) J. Barnes 3) M. Olsen 4) *W. Overath 5. M. Tassotti 6) H. Crespo 7) E. Hughes 8) F. Collovati 9) Raul 10) M. Senna 11) P. Cech 12) L. Enrique 13. *U.Seeler 14. D. Mackay

11. Gio - 1) *F. Gento 2) D. Savicevic 3) H. Sanchez 4) W. Schulz 5) B. Bremner 6) *G. Rivera 7) R. Rosato 8) R. Dzodzuashvili 9) P. Jennings 10) O. Ardiles 11) J. Segarra 12) *H. Chumpitaz 13) I. Netto 14) *K.H. Schnellinger

10. green_smiley -1) K. Keegan 2) A. Simonsen 3) F. Ribery 4) H-G Schwarzenbeck 5) *E. Gerets 6) H. Blankenburg 7) *H-P Briegel 8) V. Jugovic 9) ^B. Pavard 10) *M. Tardelli 11) G. Grosics 12) H. Krankl 13) K. Dalglish 14) S. Lerby

7. Don Alfredo - 1) *P. Nedved 2) C. Vieri 3) J. Heynckes 4) P. Evra 5) V. van Dijk 6) ^M. De Ligt 7) C. Gamarra 8) Jorginho 9) *G. Souness 10) *A. Del Piero 11) J.M. Pfaff 12) Dunga 13) *M. Amoros 14) ^L. Sane

6. Jim Beam/Invictus - 1) *H. Stoichkov 2) F. Albert 3) *J. Bozsik 4) D. Villa 5) M. Silva 6) A. Amaro 7) O. Kahn 8) G. Buchwald 9) L. Pereira 10) E. Abidal 11) H-D. Höttges 12) *L. Blanc 13) O. Sívori 14) C. Puyol

4. Šjor Bepo/Pat_Mustard - 1) N. Liedholm 2) *O. Blokhin 3) E. Francescoli 4) A. Benarrivo 5) K. De Bruyne 6) Maicon 7) J. Terry 8) J. Mascherano 9) D. De Gea 10) M. Reus 11) *R. Carvalho 12) T. Muller 13) A. Costacurta 14) *A. Robben
 

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Don Alfredo vs Sjor Bepo / Pat_Mustard
MJJ vs Gio
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Physiocrat vs Skizzo
 

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Don Alfredo said:
He's seen as being on a completely different level to all the other young players, at least that's my impression.

Voters looked for the fault in every young player except for him basically, which is funny considering he's a very forward-thinking player and much more likely to leave his area exposed than other young players, just by the nature of his game and the positions he inhabits.

Generally the reception that young players got has been extremely harsh, I mean when you watch De Bruyne and Sane on the pitch for City together it is obvious more often than not that De Bruyne is the better player, but it's not like Sane is light years away from him in terms of performances. A lot of the times the young players here have been judged based on their CV, instead of simply using their current performance level (which is very good for players like Lucas Hernandez, Kimmich, Sane, De Ligt, Skriniar etc.).
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Kimmich isn't even that great.
 
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