This! Why have they even been brought up?
Suarez bites | "sorry for falling into him and biting him and that"
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I doubt there are rules any where like that. Think about it for a second.
I bet if Uruguay drops out they'll find a way to get us to face Colombia. We're that influential to them, see.
But, but... no one cares what you think.
The image I've had in my mind for the last couple of days is that of a sitting duck... paddling like crazy to get nowhere. It was an exercise that had to be followed to the letter though. Your "rational way" has tremenduous negative long term implications, far more damaging than whatever sentence gets dished out.
I'd say it's a shoe in. If there's one thing I know about FIFA, it's that they really, really like the English.
But, but... no one cares what you think.
The image I've had in my mind for the last couple of days is that of a sitting duck... paddling like crazy to get nowhere. It was an exercise that had to be followed to the letter though. Your "rational way" has tremenduous negative long term implications, far more damaging than whatever sentence gets dished out.
You think the Uruguayan FA pretending it never happened and outright lying was less harmful than just admitting facts?
Wonderful. The Times are reporting that we're considering filing a lawsuit.
Thanks for clearing it up
Now, I haven't read everything thoroughly but I think @antohan is arguing that it's more important what your own people feels about you than everyone else. Meaning that to us they come across as utter bellends whereas the Uruguayans are all sticking closer together or something like that. You're arguing from two different perspectives I think.
That really doesn't sound like a healthy way to go about things whatsoever.
To the National Team setup? Yes.
It may be an incorrect spelling, but I'm closest anyone's gonna get to him.
I thought that if an incident was punished on the pitch by the referee the case is closed. If a player is red carded than the FA has to ban him for an x amount of games. But if the incident was punished with a yellow card than it cannot be changed to a red and hence no ban.
At least this is what I've heard in the past when these incidents were discussed. Again..could be wrong. But I assume no sane referee would give a yellow card for biting or something severe as a head butt if he saw the situation clearly.
Rawk doc #1
"No. He needs professional help, help that he isn't going to get just by being banned over and over again. It's not indulgence at all and saying that he needs to grow up is staggering in its ignorance"
Get in.
"No. He needs professional help, help that he isn't going to get just by being banned over and over again. It's not indulgence at all and saying that he needs to grow up is staggering in its ignorance"
Get in.
I'm about to read the article, but I would think the lawsuit would be carried through the CAS.
We wouldn't have it any other way. Literally. I don't think we could even contemplate ourselves in a future where that is gone. Scary.
I guess you can pretend you've been hard done by now and create a siege mentality.
Not if you anger FIFA and continue to make some of the threats they've bandied about and seriously rile them up. Then you could find yourselves not only losing your best player for much longer but actually being banned from tournaments.
4 months it's pretty lenient to be fair.
This is the third time the thug has bit some one, we should be talking years, not months.
One day some one will thump him for biting and end up with a lengthier ban...
This is the third time the thug has bit some one, we should be talking years, not months.
One day some one will thump him for biting and end up with a lengthier ban...
I don't understand this business of he needs help-implying that its up to the authorities to sort it out for him.
He is paid millions and is contracted to a club owned by a huge corporation. Surely its quite clear that its up to himself and Liverpool to try and sort his behaviour.
Lawsuit was a weird word to use, that's why I thought CAS wouldn't be involved. Appeal, of course, lawsuit...maybe as well.
Get Gus Poyet to take a dump in the Columbian dressing room before the game
Yeah but then you're saying a bad tackle that receives a red card gets the same punishment as a player losing the plot and smashing someone's face in.
I completely agree that there's a differing psyche element many on here simply don't understand (though tbf I don't think it's really that hard) but the problem is that by dragging us (the English media/people etc) into this as a scapegoat, its created an antagonism with us that we're obviously going to try and counter. So sadly these "whose right/whose wrong" arguments are inevitable. And will just go round and round.But, but... no one cares what you think.
The image I've had in my mind for the last couple of days is that of a sitting duck... paddling like crazy to get nowhere. It was an exercise that had to be followed to the letter though. Your "rational way" has tremenduous negative long term implications, far more damaging than whatever sentence gets dished out.
What I'm interested in is whether the average outspoken Uruguayan is aware that it's a game they're playing for NT benefit - in the way you've rather sensibly rationalised it - or will they actually be convincing themselves that it is an English/Italian/Martian conspiracy? And if so, aside from simply begetting more antagonism, surely Suarez will never learn he's in the wrong, and continue to do this over and over?
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There's no chance we aren't playing, that would defeat the entire purpose of it all. More to the point (going back to "your own"), it would be a huge betrayal of all fans that made enormous sacrifices to get to Rio amid all this shit flying around.
What is a very realistic possibility is the fans at the stadium engaging in anti-FIFA chants. That wouldn't go down well and is impossible to control.
Well I agree, but you can't decide what everyone else thinks is more important. And if their goals are as I described then it might make sense to do what they have done.
I almost feel sorry for Liverpool. Until i remember the T shirts.
If those close to him actually want to help, they need to sit him down and tell him its not OK to bite people. By claiming it didnt happen, or its all some big Europe wide conspiracy against him is likely to make him worse.
If those close to him actually want to help, they need to sit him down and tell him its not OK to bite people. By claiming it didnt happen, or its all some big Europe wide conspiracy against him is likely to make him worse.
The punishment is way harsher than I expected, but I think FIFA got it pretty right this time. The punishment is harsh enough to have real impact, but still decent enough to give him a way back. If he does it again, his career will be pretty much over.
I think the Antohan´s argument is, that if you are socialised in uruguay (or another country in south america), you are usually more collectively oriented. Thats just a widely acknowledged fact, that explains the behaviour of the Uruguayan FA/lawyers/suarez.
I think, that there are very good arguments to criticise this attitude, but that´s another discussion.
I think the Antohan´s argument is, that if you are socialised in uruguay (or another country in south america), you are usually more collectively oriented. Thats just a widely acknowledged fact, that explains the behaviour of the Uruguayan FA/lawyers/suarez.
I think, that there are very good arguments to criticise this attitude, but that´s another discussion.
Thanks!
Eurgh. Scousers doing themselves no favours by going down that route.
This could get ugly(er).
This could get ugly(er).
You're right. I guess I got confused
The whole collectivist mindset isn't really remotely hard to understand. It's just a "don't rat on your mates" playground logic expanded to a larger level. I'm pretty sure everyone on here has done something equatable at one time or another.
It's just getting to grips with it being a National creed is all.
It's just getting to grips with it being a National creed is all.
It's very hard to separate the two given Suarez and the media have been banging on about the English press for years. That's precisely why I dislike the viciousness of some of the small print here: not being allowed to train, enter stadiums, and told to leave the Uruguay camp immediately (and thus Brazil and the WC as he can't go into stadiums either). It does have a degree of bile I've never seen in bans, it does seem to get pretty fecking personal, and I wouldn't be surprised if people put two and two together and get five.
I actually mentioned last night I was expecting FIFA to come down hard for completely unrelated reasons: the Uruguayan government recently interfered in football matters, got the FA's board sacked, including the Head who was really good mates with the likes of Grondona. There's a vendetta element to those small print parts and they are the ones eliciting a reaction and outrage, the shame is the way it has been reported and perceived (not just now but since 2010), the influence of the English media would be the source of that vendetta and not FIFA politics. Anyone familiar with FIFA politics would clearly see it is textbook FIFA, it's a minority though and the media here are too far down the wrong path to really invest themselves in getting that corrected.
http://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2014/06/why-should-liverpool-sell-luis-suarez/
The above raises some fair points.
The above raises some fair points.
its absolutely fantastic to sit back and watch. Herrera and Shaw signed today incidentally
Scousers, defend him to the hilt. You told us very recently he is your best ever Liverpool player, even King Kenny wears a suarez tshirt. look after your boy, he needs you
I'd say you have next to no chance of turning this around.
Difference between United and Liverpool.
Cantona commits an abhorrent act, gets banned by United then FA add on a further ban as well to teach him a lesson.
Suarez commits several abhhorent acts, this the 3rd time he's bitten someone and biting isn't his only dirty acts, gets banned, Liverpool want to appeal the ban and get him playing again dragging their own name further through the mud.
Liverpool really need to learn when one of their own has actually done something wrong and it's not the world just trying to "bring them down".
Cantona commits an abhorrent act, gets banned by United then FA add on a further ban as well to teach him a lesson.
Suarez commits several abhhorent acts, this the 3rd time he's bitten someone and biting isn't his only dirty acts, gets banned, Liverpool want to appeal the ban and get him playing again dragging their own name further through the mud.
Liverpool really need to learn when one of their own has actually done something wrong and it's not the world just trying to "bring them down".
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