You must be Argentinian? War lords?
Tell me another one!Suarez bites | "sorry for falling into him and biting him and that"
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Tell me another one!Colombian.
To be fair, Suarez hasn't been given an army yet so it's hard to say if he's better or worse...
You need to have a go at the Dutch as well. They banned him too.
It is. And your point is?
Nowhere. The shock value differs though, as we've clearly seen over the last few days.
If he's given enough time, he'll have bitten himself up an army of the undead.
You don't think this last incident would put off some Barca fans?
I talked to two of my Catalan friends on FB yesterday and they don't want him now after his recent antics.
As a player Luis Suarez is fantastic, no one can deny that. I doubt any club in the world would not take the chance of signing him just because he's a terrible character. Even Manchester United had difficult personalities in the past, incluiding alcoholics.
I understand if any club is not willing to pay X asking price and see that as a reason to not enter in any negotiation, but the whole biting incident is not relevant in my opinion.
Phil Duck said:
antohan said:
None of these expedient historical & cultural arguments explain why Uruguay choose to take part in tournaments while fully acknowledging & accepting the set rules. If there is such a clash of cultures when it comes to sporting morals, what the hell are they doing participating? And what is Suarez doing playing in other countries, and not his homeland, if he finds the standard rules unacceptable? You can't portray him as a misunderstood maverick raging against the machine of historical patronisation & expect to be taken seriously; the excuses don't wash...even when they're dressed up in the fancy outfit of a gulf in ethics and world-view. He has little-to-no excuse for his actions.
He was last year, but the entire army has since disappeared. All that was left at their HQ was a knife and fork.
Bizarre logic. If anything, drug addicts take controlled substances to avoid the affects of not taking them. It isn't in their control, or at least voluntary.
Whereas short of a mental health condition, we all have self-control over our movements. It's possible Suarez has mental health issues and if so he shouldn't be allowed to play football. Either it was a voluntary action which he has been very leniently banned for, or he lacks self-control as the result of a condition and should not be allowed to play.
He already got carded so Fifa couldn't have punished him extra. If the referee carded Suarez for the bite he wouldn't be getting the ban. At least I think that's how it works
I sense strong sarcasm. Churchill didn't exactly want a war with Germany did he? Thatcher did everything to keep the war with the Russians cold.Margaret Thatcher a Warlord.
Nonsense. Barton has his ban extended to 12 games after being sent off for twatting some City players. It happens quite regularly.He already got carded so Fifa couldn't have punished him extra. If the referee carded Suarez for the bite he wouldn't be getting the ban. At least I think that's how it works
FFS, you really really didn't get that collectivism vs. individualism thing, did you?
The fact he was born within our national borders is of more importance to us than the status of biting in football, we quite frankly couldn't give a shit about the latter if the counterweight is the other.
It's not an elaborate Macchiavellian plan to achieve sporting greatness, it's what is instinctively hard-wired into us. Punching above our weight is a side-effect.
I think the Argentinians may have a slightly different view of her...
Oh he'd definitely be getting a ban still.He already got carded so Fifa couldn't have punished him extra. If the referee carded Suarez for the bite he wouldn't be getting the ban. At least I think that's how it works
I'm not English and I'm all for hammering Suarez.
You mean after they invaded a British territory, holding the native people who democratically decided to remain British to ransom in order to distract their own people from domestic woes. Right, warmonger was she? If she was she'd have taken the assault to their mainland after.
Whatever view they have on her was brought about by the stupidity of their own government at the time and is not exactly her fault. If you invade territory protected by Britain then obviously you're going to face retaliation.
Anyway this is a thread about Luis Suarez and the mental people of Uruguay who seem to think biting is pretty normal day to day stuff.
I'm in complete agreement with you, but I think she is viewed very differently by the Argentinians - that's all!
He obviously doesn't have an excuse and deserve to be punished. But the reaction of the English media and English people (at least on the internet) is far more ridiculous than the reaction of the uruguayans.
Trying to demonize the guy as the worst thing ever happened in football is just a huge exaggeration, even worst trying to act as if the uruguayans are a morally "bankrupt" nation for defending the guy, but it seems to me like it happens in every world cup, the english are going to find a scapegoat to hide their own frustrations after every tournament (Maradona, Beckham, Ronaldo, Rooney, now Suarez) trying to apply a twisted and surreal moral standar to the rest of the world.
This Suarez guy has issues and needs professional help, but to think the English are the ones in a possition to judge him and a whole nation for the recent events is just laughable.
Well I'm sorry but that is an outdated, dare I say barbarian way of thinking. Excuse my colonial language. It's not different, it's just old fashioned. All nations were once like that, but most have grown out of it.FFS, you really really didn't get that collectivism vs. individualism thing, did you?
The fact he was born within our national borders is of more importance to us than the status of biting in football, we quite frankly couldn't give a shit about the latter if the counterweight is the other.
It's not an elaborate Macchiavellian plan to achieve sporting greatness, it's what is instinctively hard-wired into us. Punching above our weight is a side-effect.
In all fairness antohan there's people over here who put their countries borders above all else. They couldn't give a shit about how others see them and often use underhand methods to get what they want.
They're in the BNP.
They're in the BNP.
I understand your point and it is an interesting theory, but it's not a 'he said this and they're saying that'-issue because it is pretty evident that Suarez is guilty of biting. Multiple camera-angles and bite marks show this. And if Uruguay's FA were just passionate in explaining the reasoning behind 'the bite' and Suarez' emotional state than that would be understandable. But to just blatantly state that Suarez didn't bite him is just comical.
Anyway my 2 cents
Yeah but it'd be a bit like the British thinking Iraq are warmongers for our 2003 invasion of them.
Yeah but South Americans are uncivilized creatures who need educating into the right way of acting and thinking.
I think I do understand the reaction of the players, and indeed the fans. It is a cultural issue.
However I don't think their automatic "defend your own" stance actually matters when it comes to deciding on the relative severity or the punishment of an incident like this. All it does is make them unreliable witnesses.
Which is why FIFA have to take action to draw boundaries on what's fair, what's unfair and what sits outside normal conduct and therefore requires exemplary punishment. Suarez has gone too far for football the 2014 global moneyspinner, multiple TV camera sport to accept.
Don't worry, she's viewed rather differently to what is being claimed over here too. She was like a Poundland version of Elizabeth I.
Of course, Argentinian goverment was irresponsible and stupid, in fact they were malevolent with its own people. But you are right, you don't feck with the rules and owners of the world, if you get into their territory (even if it's your territory actually) they are going to do everything possible to put you back in your place as a 3rd world nation with no saying in the decisions of the big guys, but I think we both agree that's an issue for other thread.
Actually he should get a warning that if he bites anyone on a football field ever again he gets banned for life.
The rules aren't unacceptable. But I haven't seen any rule whereby everyone participating in a tourno should gel into some sort of cultural paradigm.
We react differently to things. I'm absolutely fine with FIFA upholding the rules how they see fit, but you can't go around calling people idiots and getting all sanctimonious about how they should/shouldn't behave in the aftermath of an incident like this.
Some of you still don't understand that having the lowest possible sentence was never the first priority on the agenda.
Collectivism vs individualism is completely different than protecting someone who has done wrong FFS...FFS, you really really didn't get that collectivism vs. individualism thing, did you?
The fact he was born within our national borders is of more importance to us than the status of biting in football, we quite frankly couldn't give a shit about the latter if the counterweight is the other.
It's not an elaborate Macchiavellian plan to achieve sporting greatness, it's what is instinctively hard-wired into us. Punching above our weight is a side-effect.
If the coincidence of geography, i.e him being born in your national borders, is of more importance to you than simple straight forward morality...then you've got some massive SHIT hard-wired into you!
Protecting someone just because they're born within your borders despite being utter cnuts of human beings...Nationalism gone mad and everything that's wrong with nationalism..
The guy should be in jail for assaulting another human being, and you think it's okay to protect him just because he happens to be born within your national borders. Moronic.
In that case, the English can hardly be accused of racist views when it comes to Uruguayans if they (the English/British) habitually slate their own players.
Out of interest what would Suarez have to do on the pitch for all of Uruguay not to defend him?
Where do you draw the line? The 5th or 6th biting incident?
Where do you draw the line? The 5th or 6th biting incident?
He bit them three times
He bit them three ti-i-imes
In Brazil, he bit them three times
He bit them three ti-i-imes
In Brazil, he bit them three times
I agree with the majority of your post, but a small force DID visit the mainland, in fact the British Army was still utilising one of the prizes they "borrowed" from an airfield in Argentina up until a couple of years ago
