[lsd]

Obviously will never make it here. Another youngster that was weirdly hyped by United fans.

So Gomes is too young to be judged yet but Chong is useless according to the caf

 

[-Supreme-]

So Gomes is too young to be judged yet but Chong is useless according to the caf

Although he isn't slow but don't think he's got the speed to out pace his fullbacks at LW

I can only see him succeeding on the right as he can cut in with his left foot

 

[settembrini]

Then you are incredibly deluded as is the rest of your post. I don't need to spread a narrative as every other knowledgeable poster agrees that he doesn't deserve the awards or that the majority of fans watch academy games which you've for some reason plucked out of your ass.

The voting is spread all over the internet, about 1% of which would follow the academy at best. United has millions of fans who use the internet and are capable of voting in an online poll.

So you can't actually support your claim that 'countless posts on here' showed that Chong won because of fans who didn't watch the game. Good to know.

 

[Bastian]

So Gomes is too young to be judged yet but Chong is useless according to the caf

Yeah, strange. A winger with no first team experience to speak of will always need time. And he's looked good when he's come on in games, into a side that's already relatively functional. To write him off after one game in a makeshift side is just daft.

 

[Martialfc]

I think Chong offers something different. He’s very direct and his first thought is to go forward. He is a very raw talent at the moment and I think for his own development it would be in his interest to go out on loan and learn the ropes. I do see a player in him though he just needs to work on the basics first. I think a move away would do wonders for his career also maybe get his hair cut.

 

[Alemar]

There's a reason he won the u23 POTY last season and the u18 POTY the season before.

An obvious reason - he looks very cool with his hair style. And all in all it’s a nice story: Dutch player from Curasao with a haircut that makes Fellaini envy - hence the votes.

Gomes and Greenwood play better football, but look just as normal young English guys, nothing flashy about their looks.

 

[Thiagoal]

As has been mentioned Chong (like a lot of our attackers) needs space to look good! I expect he will do well against a better team away from home! However, we need far more versatile and creative players in attack as 90% of the time we play against parked buses

 

[Red00012]

Some of the comments on here writing him off already. This place never disappoints.

 

[Treble]

Had a shocker but he is inexperienced and some bad touches might quite affect his performance. Maybe ne needs a loan in order to play regularly and develop his game.

 

[Allas8]

Chong was up against two defender the hole game, and looked decent the first 45 min, even if he was our weakest player on the pitch. To the people saying we overrate our youngsters, Chong has never been as highly rated as Gomes and Greenwood. Last season Chong was still inconsistent at U23 level, but once he is done adapting to first team football, there will be a good footballer in there. Keeping him and playing him in Europa League and cup games was 100% the right decision. A mark of how good players are is how fast they adapt to a higher level, so lets see where Chong is at come new year, and then we can consider a loan move for him.

 

[Crustanoid]

Imbecilic suggesting that he won’t make it because of last night. He never gave up trying to get on the ball and clearly the coaches see enough in training to know his natural talent. Hopefully they will all get more games now

 

[settembrini]

An obvious reason - he looks very cool with his hair style. And all in all it’s a nice story: Dutch player from Curasao with a haircut that makes Fellaini envy - hence the votes.

Gomes and Greenwood play better football, but look just as normal young English guys, nothing flashy about their looks.

Good point. I also suspect the reason the coaches shortlisted him for these awards is because they thought he had good fashion sense.

 

[Sky1981]

Yeah, strange. A winger with no first team experience to speak of will always need time. And he's looked good when he's come on in games, into a side that's already relatively functional. To write him off after one game in a makeshift side is just daft.

Just as daft as people making him as a viable rotation squad of Manchester United before he even play a game

 

[bondsname]

I won't discard him just yet. He is young, inexperienced, and the youth coaches obviously see potential in him. There must be something there that explains why Ole chooses him over Gomes for Premier League games.


He had a terrible game though. I thought he was supposed to be fast? When he runs with the ball it just looks... rough. Like he is running in a nightmare or something. He needs to settle his nerves, work on his composure, and reinvent his game a bit.

 

[fps]

A player who would definitely benefit from going on loan somewhere to a main division with a lower quality.

 

[Bastian]

Just as daft as people making him as a viable rotation squad of Manchester United before he even play a game

I don't know, I could have used a more sensitive term, but I still think it's impossible to write him off yet and I don't think that implies thinking he's definitely going to make it. With regards to viable rotation options, I can agree with everyone who says the club's not being run properly and that's affected the overall quality of our squad quite obviously, whilst I also think from the players we have got now all 4 of those youngsters (Tuanzebe, Gomes, Greenwood and Chong) are worth giving chances to. And we've got the Europa League to play. There is no way I want our threadbare first XI playing Thursday-Sunday with loads of travelling in between.

 

[Kostov]

Christ, he had a bad game last night, and he had a good cameo against Leicester. Some posters are pathetic, he is 19.

 

[RedDevilCanuck]

Loan him.

 

[M15 Red.]

He has the best hair in history. What's next on the pitch? Complete mystery.

 

[SAFMUTD]

I think he should be loan to a less physical league like the eredivise, where he can develop other skills. Right now he looks raw as feck, seems like a player that was hurt by his pace. Certain players that are physically superior to other youngsters tend to rely way too much on that physicality and never develop other skills, such as Lukaku, but in the senior level thats not gonna get them far. He still young so I have faith he can still make it here, but needs to be loan right away.

 

[Tarrou]

I gotta be honest, I never rated him much but more recently I've started to think he will actually make it at a decent level. I know he was crap the other night and he's clearly not ready, but that doesn't mean he never will be.

He badly needs game-time to mature a little and remove the nervousness from his game. He snatches at chances in possession, but he can fix that. A Loan in the top flight of a lesser league would do him the world of good. The Championship will be too physical for him I fear.

 

[LVGSdive]

He looked like Bambi on ice vs Astana. He did play very well in a much more important game against Leicester. So I'm still unsure of how good he really is.

 

[Sky1981]

I don't know, I could have used a more sensitive term, but I still think it's impossible to write him off yet and I don't think that implies thinking he's definitely going to make it. With regards to viable rotation options, I can agree with everyone who says the club's not being run properly and that's affected the overall quality of our squad quite obviously, whilst I also think from the players we have got now all 4 of those youngsters (Tuanzebe, Gomes, Greenwood and Chong) are worth giving chances to. And we've got the Europa League to play. There is no way I want our threadbare first XI playing Thursday-Sunday with loads of travelling in between.

Well. Personally I give them time, and understand that at the end of the day they're just youth and not everyone's a Rooney or Ronaldo. Infact very seldom an 18 years old can make a solid progression to the first team in the top league. Some very very talented could have made the breakthrough at 18 and even then they'll need alot of factors to align.

By all means, I don't think they're shit and useless, but at the same time I also don't want to big them up like many unrealistic caftards that wants to sell half the squad and replace them with the likes of Garner, chong, gomez, tuanzebe, etc as if we're playing football manager.

It just doesn't work that way in the real life. The jump fron u18 and u23 is tremendous, it's still the same game of football, but when you're playing on the youth level we often forget that their opponent is also the youth from next door, most defender they faced aren't well built yet, they too finding their rythm and most of the times they're playing against a mishmash of other teams reserve.

In the Premier League though, almost every defender they faced is a veteran with international caps, even the bottom table teams could field a string of full international capped XI. Which is probably why the likes of Ravel/Januzaj/Wilson simply lose their magic upon playing in the first team. A second too slow, their opponent being that milisecond faster and stronger, it all adds up

 

[Mark Pawelek]

I think he should be loan to a less physical league like the eredivise, where he can develop other skills. Right now he looks raw as feck, seems like a player that was hurt by his pace. Certain players that are physically superior to other youngsters tend to rely way too much on that physicality and never develop other skills, such as Lukaku, but in the senior level thats not gonna get them far. He still young so I have faith he can still make it here, but needs to be loan right away.

...He badly needs game-time to mature a little and remove the nervousness from his game. He snatches at chances in possession, but he can fix that. A Loan in the top flight of a lesser league would do him the world of good. The Championship will be too physical for him I fear.

He turned the summer loan offers down. Probably because he thought he'd get enough games here.

 

[Crashoutcassius]

You geniuses wrote off zaha too haha

 

[Kostur]

You geniuses wrote off zaha too haha

Haha yeah haha and Obertan and Bebe too haha.

 

[Crashoutcassius]

The issue is clearly mental like it has been with plenty of similar players including zaha. Needs time and experience to get over that. I don't know what the best approach here, United is a poor place for a young player to come through but loans never seem to work well for a player like this, especially if he believes he is too good for the championship or similar.

 

[Crashoutcassius]

Haha yeah haha and Obertan and Bebe too haha.

Point well made - couch potato fans haven't a clue after a few games in reality

 

[Kostur]

Point well made - couch potato fans haven't a clue after a few games in reality

Agree, they also tend to go out with some funny opinions that they treat as 'facts', such as.

The issue is clearly mental like it has been with plenty of similar players including zaha. Needs time and experience to get over that. I don't know what the best approach here, United is a poor place for a young player to come through but loans never seem to work well for a player like this, especially if he believes he is too good for the championship or similar.

 

[Un4givableB]

This is the downside of the 'class of 92' and Cristiano Ronaldo,now we expect all United youngsters to be Giggs/Sholes/Beckham/Butt quality and young starlets from aboard to become Ronaldo, we won the lottery on those occasions and
probably will never happen to this club again.

Chong may become a great or a very good player in his early or mid 20's but clubs like United rarely have the patience to wait and not sure if waiting is good for the player or the team.

Ideally, we should be buying players who are better than what we have.

 

[Sky1981]

This is the downside of the 'class of 92' and Cristiano Ronaldo,now we expect all United youngsters to be Giggs/Sholes/Beckham/Butt quality and young starlets from aboard to become Ronaldo, we won the lottery on those occasions and
probably will never happen to this club again.

Chong may become a great or a very good player in his early or mid 20's but clubs like United rarely have the patience to wait and not sure if waiting is good for the player or the team.

Ideally, we should be buying players who are better than what we have.

But... united value

 

[PitTon]

He is too direct the way he plays on the wing. And because of that he need spaces which he doesn't have as a winger. With the attributes I already see from him, I would train and put him in an advanced role through the middle.

 

[Smores]

It's annoying to see so many moan about youngsters. It takes time for academy products to develop and whilst our seniors are shite we may as well afford them this time to develop and find their feet.

 

[TwoSheds]

I feel like he didn't play to his strengths which is to provide genuine width 80% of the time and then mix it up and come inside to try to score. His starting position was too central for me. He also appeared to be on the edge of panicking again when he was on the ball. Hopefully next start he'll be calmer and it will come more easily to him like it did with his first sub appearances.

I'm not sure if he's first team material tbh but he's definitely got ability and I hope he can take his chances, especially as Ole seems to really rate him.

 

[Stadjer]

AZ player Stengs is a better player than Chong.

Maybe a loan to the Eredivisie isnt such a bad idea.

 

[Bastian]

Well. Personally I give them time, and understand that at the end of the day they're just youth and not everyone's a Rooney or Ronaldo. Infact very seldom an 18 years old can make a solid progression to the first team in the top league. Some very very talented could have made the breakthrough at 18 and even then they'll need alot of factors to align.

By all means, I don't think they're shit and useless, but at the same time I also don't want to big them up like many unrealistic caftards that wants to sell half the squad and replace them with the likes of Garner, chong, gomez, tuanzebe, etc as if we're playing football manager.

It just doesn't work that way in the real life. The jump fron u18 and u23 is tremendous, it's still the same game of football, but when you're playing on the youth level we often forget that their opponent is also the youth from next door, most defender they faced aren't well built yet, they too finding their rythm and most of the times they're playing against a mishmash of other teams reserve.

In the Premier League though, almost every defender they faced is a veteran with international caps, even the bottom table teams could field a string of full international capped XI. Which is probably why the likes of Ravel/Januzaj/Wilson simply lose their magic upon playing in the first team. A second too slow, their opponent being that milisecond faster and stronger, it all adds up

Agree with that all. Though I think the reason Ravel/Januzaj/Wilson didn't make it was the wrong attitude.

 

[Un4givableB]

AZ player Stengs is a better player than Chong.

Maybe a loan to the Eredivisie isnt such a bad idea.

Is he tho?

Image if Chong had stayed at Ajax and broken into their side? How much better would he be now & how much would he be worth? 30m or 40m?

If we bought Stengs he'd be in the 2nd team at best.

 

[SAFMUTD]

He turned the summer loan offers down. Probably because he thought he'd get enough games here.

He probably will due to the thin squad but right now it’s not looking good for him.

 

[Stadjer]

Is he tho?

Image if Chong had stayed at Ajax and broken into their side? How much better would he be now & how much would he be worth? 30m or 40m?

If we bought Stengs he'd be in the 2nd team at best.

Chong came from Feyenoord. Feyenoord is terrible so he would have been a starter there at the moment.

I think Stengs is really good. Just look at last European game he played. Without him AZ wouldnt have gotten a point. Stengs even had a major injury so he could have been even further in his development. Maybe Chong can reach Stengs his current level but he needs playing time for that.

 

[Allas8]

AZ player Stengs is a better player than Chong.

Maybe a loan to the Eredivisie isnt such a bad idea.

How many loans have Stengs done? Are AZ better at developing players then us?