Ahh fair enough, they do need that kind of player, though.
Their midfield after Dembele left was pretty poor, so if he can step up from the poor French league then he'll go a long way to improving them.
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Their midfield after Dembele left was pretty poor, so if he can step up from the poor French league then he'll go a long way to improving them.
Well they're legitimate arguments to Spurs' fans who bring up the UCL final as being the start for domestic dominance. It's not like the argument was made for no reason
Well, I'm told he's good - or even very good - but personally I've only seen some YouTube clips as far as I recall, so I defer to the views of others.
But you're right - we really need a quality addition to our CM following Dembele's departure for China. As far as I know - which isn't very far - he's a box-to-box player, perhaps (?) equally balanced between defence and attack.
Tell that to Didier Deschamps...
Yeah, from what I've just been reading it sounds like he'll just slot right into that Dembele shaped hole in your midfield.
Have you been seriously linked to anyone else? I remember reading you was meant to be after Jack Clarke from leeds. He'd be another good addition provided there's any truth in it.
I think Clarke is a done deal, just waiting to be announced, but very likely loaned back to Leeds for at least the first half of next season. He's more one for the future.
We've been linked quite a lot to Lo Celso (I'd like to think we'd go for him regardless of what happens with Eriksen, but who knows) and also to Ryan Sessegnon.
I'd imagine that some of any other/further moves are tied in a lot with what happens with Alderweireld and Eriksen.
Says it all when spurs can sign better players than us
Nah, we got Dan James. Spurs can have this joker
If Sean becomes a huge hit then it will be OK but Ndombele becomes a top player for any other club which is likely then we will point to this summer and feel sad about it. It feels like missing Vidal when he was 22 and with Bayern Levurkusen.
Well this thread escalated quickly .
.If the option no longer exists (which could well be likely) it also means that either a) Pogba is going to stay; or b) United have other targets. I personally believe it's the former and we'll probably sell next Summer (which I guess would suit Real given the amount they've already spent this year).
If United's top target to replace an imminently departing player were in negotiations with Spurs a few weeks ago for the relatively insignificant sum of £60m we'd have matched the offer and added £50k a week only his package the same day.
Maybe we are looking at a more creative option like Bruno. Spurs already have that passer that can sit deep and keep the tempo moving in Winks. So it makes sense for them to go after a Ndombele type of player.
Possibly... If Pogba were leaving I'd like to see a hard working goalscoring midfielder with a 6 and 8 behind; rather than replacing almost like for like since I believe Pogba doesn't contribute enough in attack to be an attacking midfielder but certainly doesn't contribute enough in defence to be an 8... So he's very difficult to build around. Maybe Bruno fits that bill?
Looks pretty much all done and dusted.
Going to be a quality signing for Tottenham. Bloody frustrating.
Going to be a quality signing for Tottenham. Bloody frustrating.
Bit baffling we weren’t all over this, maybe we were and he preferred Spurs though.
We're going to regret not buying him. Just posting this so I can quote myself in 5 years.
A good get for Spurs, should be a good upgrade on Sissoko once he settles in.
Huh. Never thought I'd see anyone say his creativity is a problem.
Caballos also going to spurs on loan.
Maybe to soften negotiations for Eriksen? But both Ceballos and Ndombele would be good additions for them.
This would confirm Eriksen going to Real I think. Ceballos, Ndombele, Winks, Sissokko, Alli, Dier, Eriksen all vying for 3 positions would be overkill.
This is not the case. Eriksen normally plays in a three behind Kane. The only players - including those in your list - who'd be competing for a slot in that three are Eriksen, Alli, Ceballos, Son and Moura: that'd be 5 players for 3 positions.
Damn, what a signing for Spurs
He doesn't score or assist enough to be a number 10 in my view. Excluding penalties he's scored an average of 7 goals a season and assisted an average of 9 (22 goals and 29 assists).
For me I want a number 10 hitting 25 goals + assists per season, not 16. Eriksen for example over the same period has 36 goals + 53 assists (89 vs 51) meaning he's 75% more productive.
That's before even looking at a Griezmann type hitting 35 G+A a season - 68 goals 37 assists (more than twice as productive).
Son, Moura are wingers. Also don't you guys have Lamela and Clarke? 4 players for 2 wide positions. I know Poch in the past has used Eriksen and Alli out wide but that has more often than not be due to an injury crisis. For the role behind Kane, you'll essentially have Alli, Eriksen and Ceballos competing for one position. Unless Eriksen is dropped deeper, which again would make no sense since that would require a pure DM like Dier next to him, negating any need for N'dombele.
I think the writing is on the wall-Eriksen will leave this summer.
Clarke is 18 years old and going back to Leeds for a Season.
If Tottenham bring in Lo Celso, then Eriksen will be leaving, but even then Tottenhams greatest weakness (in my opinion) is their over reliance on Eriksen. If he's injured or out of form, Tottenham tend to struggle to break teams down. They don't have enough technical players with great vision. NDombele will help with that to some degree, but they need another player to help. Alli is the player that might struggle imo. He's not brought enough to the table recently.
Rumours Eriksen has sold up in London and his family are looking for a place in Madrid. Probably just newspaper bs.
As for Ndombele 55mil with add ons is the figure im seeing getting around. I think he will take a year to adjust his game and settle into the EPL. Look at Son, was almost going to call it quits after an average to poor first year, Pochettino convinced him to stay and he is killing it now.
Ndombele will be in the heart of midfield, so he will be competing with Winks, Sissoko, Dier, Wanyama. I guess not so much Winks as he is a different type of player. I expect Wanyama or Dier will move on, or Pochettino will move Dier back to a CB position. And also the fact Wanyama and Winks spend 50% of their time or more injured.
Ceballos would be a direct replacement for Eriksen so Son, Ceballos, Moura, Alli, Lamela for those three attacking spots behind/off Kane. Read some rumours Spurs were after Lo Celso to replace Eriksen. Probably just newspaper lies because of the Argentina link with Pochettino though.
I'm a bit surprised to see this guy going to Tottenham considering how hyped he has been. Did he reject anyone notable to sign for them or were Spurs the only side to make an offer?
Ah fair enough. Did not know that. Still think Eriksen will leave though. Real have yet to reinforce their middle of the park and its either gonna be Eriksen or Pogba, and Eriksen will be cheaper and is far more consistent than Pogba.
Yeah makes sense. The Lo Celso rumors seems to have died down a bit, probably due to price (I’ve not seen enough of him but from what I have seen, not too impressed especially at the rumored €60m+).
Ceballos could be a smart bit of business for Spurs and Madrid, especially if Eriksen is going to Madrid.
I agree I think Eriksen will go but I don't think he would be as good at Real as Pogba would be, I would see him back to his levels at Juve.
Doubt it, we dont seem to be interested in a box to box midfielder. It is Longstaff and a more attacking midfielder, like Bruno.
Probably a lot of factors convinced him. One of which is the fact Spurs have a poor midfield that he will probably walk into. His only real competition being his compatriot Sissoko, Wanyama and Winks injured most of the time, Dier just an old school out and out DM. That means a lot of game time for Ndombele at a club that play progressive modern football under a manager known for putting faith in young players. CL football, based in London, French captain part of the squad, modern training facilities, state of the art ground. Probably not any one thing convinced him, but I guess if you stack them up and then stack up what other clubs offered assuming others were interested he decided to pick Spurs.
The cheese room probably swayed him tbf.
Son and Moura are not wingers: they are attacking players who can - and sometimes do - play out wide. But sometimes they play centrally - even taking Kane's place when he's not available. And often we've played with only one of either Son or Moura.
The most common formation at Spurs is 4-2-3-1 … with Kane as the 1.
Currently, Dier, Sissoko, Winks, Wanyama, Skipp and Ndombele will be competing for two slots in the '2' CM part of this formation, whilst Eriksen, Alli, Ceballos, Son, and Moura and Lamela will be competing for three slots is the '3' part of this formation … Clarke has been loaned back to Leeds.
That'd make 6 players for 2 CM positions + 6 players for the 3 more attacking positions behind Kane: so if anything we'd be more over-loaded for CM than we'd be for anywhere that Eriksen plays.
Eriksen might well leave this summer (or he might not), but the loan signing of Ceballos - if it happens - would have little bearing on this IMO, because we need more 'attacking three' options in any case.
This is my thought as well, Bruno, Maddison, Lo Celso, that sort of midfielder is who we seem to be shopping for if you believe the rumours getting around.
Jack Clarke looks an interesting player too, my god 2 signings in one day, I need a drink.
The biggest problem with Pogba is how people view him. I'm not directing this solely at you but I think its a myth that Pogba at Juve was a better player than he is here, or he will be better elsewhere. Pogba is extremely consistent in the fact that during the course of a game he will be inconsistent. Nearly every game he will produce an outrageous pass or skill which if it leads to a goal will earn him praise. Similarly, nearly every match he's going to lose the ball in dangerous areas and be sloppy with the ball. If his team loses he will be singled out. The thing is at Utd we don't have the players who turn his outrageous passes into goals all that often, but we do have players who are unable to stop his mistakes from getting costly. He will be the same wherever he goes, he's never gonna control games like a Modric or Pirlo, he'll always create great chances and he will always make mistakes. How he will be perceived at that club depends on how much success that team achieves.
I disagree Pogba is incapable of performing throughout the entirety of a season. He's a purple patches performer, Eriksen is certainly more consistent and it's not even like Spurs have boasted a quality midfield in recent years so that speaks volumes about his ability.
Additionally I don't think Pogba would play as an advanced midfielder for real I assume he would have to play a disciplined left sided role alongside Modric / Casemiro. The individual in front (Isco etc) would block the spaces he exploits. At Juventus he had Marchisio, Pirlo and Vidal who seldom push forward.
As much as I love Eriksen he isn't a consistent performer either, he will disappear in games and you do wonder where he is and for all his hype his set pieces are average too.
Spurs play best when they have 2 men running either side of the CF( I call them wingers, you can call them whatever you wish). The 2nd half against Ajax was a perfect example, Llorente flanked by Moura and Son, drifting in and out, the FBs providing the width, and 3 players compacting the middle of the pitch. Spurs grind out a lot of results but they never look great playing with Eriksen or Alli out wide.
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