That post match interview with our manager

[mancan92]

What I hate about Jose's comments is the constant double standards. Lukaku drops into complete shit form for 2 months but is constantly defended and plays him throughout that period.

Martial is absolutely flying the first half of the season then buys a replacement and if he happens to play a bad half. He is automatically sent to the bench and critised to high heaven. If he had continued to show faith in martial then who knows what would have happened in the champions league for example.

 

[Ralph1386]

What I hate about Jose's comments is the constant double standards. Lukaku drops into complete shit form for 2 months but is constantly defended and plays him throughout that period.

Martial is absolutely flying the first half of the season then buys a replacement and if he happens to play a bad half. He is automatically sent to the bench and critised to high heaven. If he had continued to show faith in martial then who knows what would have happened in the champions league for example.

He clearly had an agenda against Martial. Alexis was his perfect excuse to drop him and "bench him out of form".

 

[golden_blunder]

Simple poll added. For the record I don’t want Jose out, I’m just curious since the Jose out brigade are getting stronger in numbers. So, what say you?

 

[SirAF]

He clearly had an agenda against Martial. Alexis was his perfect excuse to drop him and "bench him out of form".

Clearly

 

[imamuppet]

The 'Jose out brigade' would have been the same type of people who were part of the 'Sir Alex out brigade' all those years ago.

The lack of memory capacity of some people really is a sight to behold.

People forget that 'we' needed on average three seasons to change a 'aging' team to a winning machine, Sir Alex built THREE teams in this way, but still people dont want to remember and instead are stead fast on pushing there own agendas!

Wake up people and look to your history books before writing trash and removing all doubt about the level of your intelligence and capacity to remember things!

 

[Jojo <3 Mou]

At RM he won La Liga but failed to bring them CL-success. During his time there he fell out with Ramos, Casillas and even Ronaldo. After 2012-13 inspite of signing a new contract he left the club under mysterious circumstances. Returning to Chelsea and winning the PL was a big achievement but what happened the following season 2015-16 was a further example of bust-ups with players and post match comments (similar to those we're getting today) where he chooses to hang out certain players in the media. Not being selective as this concerns the 2 most recent clubs he's managed before coming to utd.

He did fail to win the CL at Madrid losing to Pep's Barcelona, Heyneckes Bayern side on penalties and Klopp's Dortmund all in the semi-finals.

His fallout with Casillas could have been reflected in the Rooney situation, a legend who was finished at the highest level (unlike Rooney, Casillas and friends like Ramos refused to accept it). The situation was quite horrible as Casillas' friends (including his then girlfriend) were in the media who seemed to be on a campaign to discredit Mourinho.

The Cristiano situation was a bit weird, at the start of the 12/13 season Cristiano began his contract negotiatons by expressing great sadness. The season started horribly and they couldn't catch up and of course, Mourinho blamed him for it. Rightly or wrongly..I don't know?

His authority was also being questioned by players like Ramos, the vc, because he hadn't played at the highest level. And there was the Tito incident (still don't understand that...at least he apologized).

So, Mourinho left Madrid, by mutual consent*, where his name was mud in the press and with his family targeted.

He then returns to Chelsea where things are good for 2 years. In the third season, things fall apart. From in January 2015, the signs that Chelsea had issues to address. They struggled to get over the line to win the League after an amazing start. Preseason 15/16 was a disaster.

The 15/16 season went quite a bit worse than anyone could have anticipated but I am not aware of any bust ups apart from Diego flinging his bib. And Mourinho seems to have an OK relationship with those players.

Despite changes in systems and of players they were unable to stop the rot. Post match pressers during that season were horrible. Looking at the progression of them, Mourinho antagonism towards his underperforming team builds up game by game.

Why did the meltdown happen? Team culture, tactics, the lack of team reinforcements or a really bad start with key players out of form or injured. Probably, a combination of all the above.
Nothing was going right and there was the Dr. Carniero incident. He could have been a lot more calm and level headed during the Chelsea 15/16 meltdown but this was new unwanted territory and he reacted poorly to his side underperforming. The Carniero incident should not have happened.

I really don't see the similarities thus far with Mourinho at United. He has called out players like Luke Shaw and Mkhitaryan. Most fans will agree that both have seriously underperformed. The public flogging wasn't necessary but I don't think that he's gonna change.

Mourinho sells papers due to his reputation and history, his actions/words are analysed more than with others. He spent 16/17 defending Pogba, the moment he questions his contribution people go crazy.

The media has accused Mourinho of falling out with everyone bar the goalkeepers, Valencia, Young, Darmian, Blind*, Lindelof*, Matic*, McTominay, Lingard, Alexis and Lukaku. At some point you either dismiss these articles or live in misery because it's a daily interchanging of names of players. Is it a case of no smoke without fire or are stories being made up to thrive off Mourinho/United's brand?

So in summary, Mourinho has underachieved in his spells at Real Madrid and Chelsea. However, it's not as bad as people will paint it. The off-field incidents, both quite bad, make it seem worse. I believe that he has the necessary skills/experience needed currently at United. His stint however will not be peaceful, neither his personality or the media will allow it.

So after providing all that context and information, I will say this is probably the hardest job that Mourinho has ever had. And looking at his history good/bad might not tell us much. United needed/needs a lot of work. I do feel assured though that if nothing else, we'll have a better team at the end of this (even if a few players with promise go).

 

[Siorac]

The 'Jose out brigade' would have been the same type of people who were part of the 'Sir Alex out brigade' all those years ago.

The lack of memory capacity of some people really is a sight to behold.

People forget that 'we' needed on average three seasons to change a 'aging' team to a winning machine, Sir Alex built THREE teams in this way, but still people dont want to remember and instead are stead fast on pushing there own agendas!

Wake up people and look to your history books before writing trash and removing all doubt about the level of your intelligence and capacity to remember things!

Mourinho, however, never built a team this way. His second season was invariably his best at every club he managed, except arguably the first stint at Chelsea. Where it was the first season.

So you would do well to check history before insulting other people's intelligence. The argument that Mourinho needs time to build his team is something that goes against his own previous history. He might buck the trend, sure, I'm not saying it's impossible but let's not try to justify the argument by citing the past.

 

[Santoryo]

The 'Jose out brigade' would have been the same type of people who were part of the 'Sir Alex out brigade' all those years ago.

The lack of memory capacity of some people really is a sight to behold.

People forget that 'we' needed on average three seasons to change a 'aging' team to a winning machine, Sir Alex built THREE teams in this way, but still people dont want to remember and instead are stead fast on pushing there own agendas!

Wake up people and look to your history books before writing trash and removing all doubt about the level of your intelligence and capacity to remember things!

For feck sakes stop comparing SAF to Mourinho. Different managers not on the same league and from different circumstances.

 

[Donnie Brasco]

The 'Jose out brigade' would have been the same type of people who were part of the 'Sir Alex out brigade' all those years ago.

The lack of memory capacity of some people really is a sight to behold.

People forget that 'we' needed on average three seasons to change a 'aging' team to a winning machine, Sir Alex built THREE teams in this way, but still people dont want to remember and instead are stead fast on pushing there own agendas!

Wake up people and look to your history books before writing trash and removing all doubt about the level of your intelligence and capacity to remember things!

Yep, the people that are saying that 2nd place and Fa cup isn't good enough would of been "Fergie Out" in 04,05, 06 when we came 3rd, 3rd, and 2nd.

 

[Minimalist]

Yep, the people that are saying that 2nd place and Fa cup isn't good enough would of been "Fergie Out" in 04,05, 06 when we came 3rd, 3rd, and 2nd.

Ferguson wasn't spending stupid amounts of money on transfers during those particular years though. But sure, what does context matter.

It wasn't until the summer of 2007 that we saw serious investment in the squad (Hargreaves, Nani, Anderson, Tevez etc).

 

[Water Melon]

Yep, the people that are saying that 2nd place and Fa cup isn't good enough would of been "Fergie Out" in 04,05, 06 when we came 3rd, 3rd, and 2nd.

Bollox. By that time SAF has shown everyone his brilliance. Not even once had he any major problem with his squad. Jose was sacked twice for falling out with his players. Both of those teams did quite well after he left. Jose will turn into a new late-Wenger. He will not win the prem or CL with us. However, unlike Wenger, he will continue to blame anyone/anything bar himself.

 

[Donnie Brasco]

Ferguson wasn't spending stupid amounts of money on transfers during those particular years though. But sure, what does context matter.

It wasn't until the summer of 2007 that we saw serious investment in the squad (Hargreaves, Nani, Anderson, Tevez etc).

Ferguson wasn't spending stupid amounts of money on transfers during those particular years though. But sure, what does context matter.

It wasn't until the summer of 2007 that we saw serious investment in the squad (Hargreaves, Nani, Anderson, Tevez etc).

He broke the world record for a defender the season before.
What you don't seem to understand is that the money Mourinho been spending is basically peanuts in todays market, we were and are in need of a total rebuild. Not one player he inherited besides De Gea was good enough to start for United.

Barcelona has spend that amount on 2 players, City has spent 180 million more on a better team. Mourinho shouldn't be criticized for his spending, it's not been enough. But most of you act like the Glazers accountants.

 

[Minimalist]

He broke the world record for a defender the season before.
What you don't seem to understand is that the money Mourinho been spending is basically peanuts in todays market, we were and are in need of a total rebuild. Not one player he inherited besides De Gea was good enough to start for United.

Barcelona has spend that amount on 2 players, City has spent 180 million more on a better team. Mourinho shouldn't be criticized for his spending, it's not been enough. But most of you act like the Glazers accountants.

On one player and he won the bloody league that season (it's two summers before actually but whatever) so that point is stupid.

Nevermind me, I don't think you quite understand at all. Emoji's don't hide crap arguments.

 

[Donnie Brasco]

Bollox. By that time SAF has shown everyone his brilliance. Not even once had he any major problem with his squad. Jose was sacked twice for falling out with his players. Both of those teams did quite well after he left. Jose will turn into a new late-Wenger. He will not win the prem or CL with us. However, unlike Wenger, he will continue to blame anyone/anything bar himself.

So has Jose, if you compare him and SAF he has won more than Fergie in a shorter amount of time, has as many european trophies as him already.

Of course they did well after he left the guy is a genius in the transfer market, he won the treble with Inter with a 50 million euro net spend.
He always buys well and will leave us with a much better team than Fergie, Moyes or LVG left us.

 

[MJJ]

The 'Jose out brigade' would have been the same type of people who were part of the 'Sir Alex out brigade' all those years ago.

The lack of memory capacity of some people really is a sight to behold.

People forget that 'we' needed on average three seasons to change a 'aging' team to a winning machine, Sir Alex built THREE teams in this way, but still people dont want to remember and instead are stead fast on pushing there own agendas!

Wake up people and look to your history books before writing trash and removing all doubt about the level of your intelligence and capacity to remember things!

Let me try this sort of revisionism.

The jose in brigade would be the same type of people who were part of the "Moyes in brigade" all these years ago

The lack of memory capacity of some people really is a sight to behold.

 

[Bastian]

A new poll, almost the same as the other one? Since you went through the trouble of starting a new poll why not a yes or a no?

 

[simplyared]

He did fail to win the CL at Madrid losing to Pep's Barcelona, Heyneckes Bayern side on penalties and Klopp's Dortmund all in the semi-finals.

His fallout with Casillas could have been reflected in the Rooney situation, a legend who was finished at the highest level (unlike Rooney, Casillas and friends like Ramos refused to accept it). The situation was quite horrible as Casillas' friends (including his then girlfriend) were in the media who seemed to be on a campaign to discredit Mourinho.

The Cristiano situation was a bit weird, at the start of the 12/13 season Cristiano began his contract negotiatons by expressing great sadness. The season started horribly and they couldn't catch up and of course, Mourinho blamed him for it. Rightly or wrongly..I don't know?

His authority was also being questioned by players like Ramos, the vc, because he hadn't played at the highest level. And there was the Tito incident (still don't understand that...at least he apologized).

So, Mourinho left Madrid, by mutual consent*, where his name was mud in the press and with his family targeted.

He then returns to Chelsea where things are good for 2 years. In the third season, things fall apart. From in January 2015, the signs that Chelsea had issues to address. They struggled to get over the line to win the League after an amazing start. Preseason 15/16 was a disaster.

The 15/16 season went quite a bit worse than anyone could have anticipated but I am not aware of any bust ups apart from Diego flinging his bib. And Mourinho seems to have an OK relationship with those players.

Despite changes in systems and of players they were unable to stop the rot. Post match pressers during that season were horrible. Looking at the progression of them, Mourinho antagonism towards his underperforming team builds up game by game.

Why did the meltdown happen? Team culture, tactics, the lack of team reinforcements or a really bad start with key players out of form or injured. Probably, a combination of all the above.
Nothing was going right and there was the Dr. Carniero incident. He could have been a lot more calm and level headed during the Chelsea 15/16 meltdown but this was new unwanted territory and he reacted poorly to his side underperforming. The Carniero incident should not have happened.

I really don't see the similarities thus far with Mourinho at United. He has called out players like Luke Shaw and Mkhitaryan. Most fans will agree that both have seriously underperformed. The public flogging wasn't necessary but I don't think that he's gonna change.

Mourinho sells papers due to his reputation and history, his actions/words are analysed more than with others. He spent 16/17 defending Pogba, the moment he questions his contribution people go crazy.

The media has accused Mourinho of falling out with everyone bar the goalkeepers, Valencia, Young, Darmian, Blind*, Lindelof*, Matic*, McTominay, Lingard, Alexis and Lukaku. At some point you either dismiss these articles or live in misery because it's a daily interchanging of names of players. Is it a case of no smoke without fire or are stories being made up to thrive off Mourinho/United's brand?

So in summary, Mourinho has underachieved in his spells at Real Madrid and Chelsea. However, it's not as bad as people will paint it. The off-field incidents, both quite bad, make it seem worse. I believe that he has the necessary skills/experience needed currently at United. His stint however will not be peaceful, neither his personality or the media will allow it.

So after providing all that context and information, I will say this is probably the hardest job that Mourinho has ever had. And looking at his history good/bad might not tell us much. United needed/needs a lot of work. I do feel assured though that if nothing else, we'll have a better team at the end of this (even if a few players with promise go).

A fair enough description of events! Although as far as the media goes he creates his own controversy through what he says himself on the media. Being a prominent figure on the media is all part of the package with Mourinho. Take the incident with Conte as an example. He's interviewed about it, he justifies his arguments in a constructive way, and you think it's done and dusted and then just before he rises out of his chair he brings up the subject of match fixing. Totally unjustified, pointless and unecessary imv. Of course he knew those comments would cause a massive response on the media and that's exactly want he wants. Problem is, as with the Conte comments, it can tend to go too far and it becomes pathetic. So in reality the media are no harder with him than they are with any other top manager. It's just that he chooses to put himself in the firing line because it suits him.

Regarding the work than needs to be done: Looking at the player material we have, we shouldn't be too far off reaching top level imo. Pogba and Sanchez are underperforming and even Lukaku to a certain extent - All players Mourinho has brought to the club. Also there's big potential in Rashford and Martial (aware many others don't share my opinion however). Valencia is still a top class RB and is still as fit as a butchers dog. What we need is a top ball playing CB (Lindelöf is a mistake imo) and a traditional left sided attacking LB. I'd take someone the likes of Robertson from Liverpool tomorrow if we could.

 

[Water Melon]

So has Jose, if you compare him and SAF he has won more than Fergie in a shorter amount of time, has as many european trophies as him already.

Of course they did well after he left the guy is a genius in the transfer market, he won the treble with Inter with a 50 million euro net spend.
He always buys well and will leave us with a much better team than Fergie, Moyes or LVG left us.

He has not always bought well. His Pogba, Lindelof, Bailly, Mkhiand Zlatan are far from perfect signings. Matic already looks on his last legs. The only player to get into PL team of the year is DDG, which has got nothing to do with Mou. Also leaving in a good shape does not cut it for me. JM has got sweet feck all to do with Madrid's brilliance recently in CL. Also the mere fact that he was kicked out of Chelsea leaving just few points above relegation shows that Conte did a much much better job than him. Mou's two years at United are far from even challenging properly for the league. Won the second rate European tournament and bottled it big time against a massive underdog in the first knock out stage of the top European competition. Will win no major trophy next season too.

 

[Bastian]

He has not always bought well. His Pogba, Lindelof, Bailly, Mkhiand Zlatan are far from perfect signings. Matic already looks on his last legs. The only player to get into PL team of the year is DDG, which has got nothing to do with Mou. Also leaving in a good shape does not cut it for me. JM has got sweet feck all to do with Madrid's brilliance recently in CL. Also the mere fact that he was kicked out of Chelsea leaving just few points above relegation shows that Conte did a much much better job than him. Mou's two years at United are far from even challenging properly for the league. Won the second rate European tournament and bottled it big time against a massive underdog in the first knock out stage of the top European competition. Will win no major trophy next season too.

I agree. He's a terrible manager. I just don't understand how he fluked all those trophies.

 

[Can23]

He broke the world record for a defender the season before.
What you don't seem to understand is that the money Mourinho been spending is basically peanuts in todays market, we were and are in need of a total rebuild. Not one player he inherited besides De Gea was good enough to start for United.

Barcelona has spend that amount on 2 players, City has spent 180 million more on a better team. Mourinho shouldn't be criticized for his spending, it's not been enough. But most of you act like the Glazers accountants.

How can £300m over 2 seasons be seen as spending peanuts? That's a huge amount of money. Barca only spent that money because they received a ridiculous sum from PSG for Neymar. I don't think Mourinho is doing a bad job, but by you're reasoning he's going to need to spend what another 600m to compete with City?

 

[FreakyJim]

Although I'm increasingly annoyed by him, I think he's earned another year. Let's see if we can step up more.

 

[Jojo <3 Mou]

Regarding the work than needs to be done: Looking at the player material we have, we shouldn't be too far off reaching top level imo. Pogba and Sanchez are underperforming and even Lukaku to a certain extent - All players Mourinho has brought to the club. Also there's big potential in Rashford and Martial (aware many others don't share my opinion however). Valencia is still a top class RB and is still as fit as a butchers dog. What we need is a top ball playing CB (Lindelöf is a mistake imo) and a traditional left sided attacking LB. I'd take someone the likes of Robertson from Liverpool tomorrow if we could.

I think that we need a few pieces and as you stated underperforming players will have to do better.

I'm not sure that Valencia has the necessary skills and craft to be the undisputed RB. We need work on both wings.

Saying all that, I'm optimistic for the future.

 

[Water Melon]

I agree. He's a terrible manager. I just don't understand how he fluked all those trophies.

He did not fluke. He just cant compete properly while managing United. This is a fact. If you think he will win a major trophy next season, lets have a bet.

 

[Hephaestus]

He's definitely earned another year. But I'd be lying if I said I wasn't getting pretty concerned. I wanted him here years ago as Fergie's successor but he's been pretty disappointing overall and I deeply dislike the way he's handled some stuff this year, the post match comments after Sevilla and Brighton were shocking and send the worst possible message. Been some progress though so just got to hope we go up a gear next year.

 

[Bastian]

He did not fluke. He just cant compete properly while managing United. This is a fact. If you think he will win a major trophy next season, lets have a bet.

Define compete. For me it is completely dependent upon the board backing him seriously in the market (if there was any other manager at the helm I'd say the same). This City team are breaking records, they've spent more, they had more before, and they'll continue to spend (that's quite probably a fact too).

If our net spend breaks 200m this summer I would expect us to compete. Compete: be within a shout of winning the title in the final couple of weekends and at least reaching the QF of the CL.

 

[Toad]

I voted for his methods not being the right fit for the job. It is not in our DNA to focus more on defensive duties than attacking. I agree that a good defence does win games but in this current league a defender alone does not win you the league. Most teams can put 10 men behind the ball and comfortably keep us under control as we don’t have the tactical ability up top to break teams down efficiently enough. A balance is needed not only for winning games but for entertainment value aswell.

 

[buckooo1978]

it's been the oddest season I can remember in my 40 years

on the face of it we've amassed a great points today. The standard of football is better than under Van Gaal and all those wins in the big games since Christmas show we are a force to be reckoned with on our day. We are back in the top 2 and it's the best finish since Fergie with a cup to be won, after winning 2 last season. He's spend a lot but we've a talented squad.

when you dig deeper though we are still over reliant on De Gea. We only play well for spells in games and we've very very rarely played well for more than 45 mins in games with our dicky tactics and selections. The stench of Mourinho is overwhelming for me. It really is. Every good thing we've done like our great start to the league or good results end up having a sour taste due to his cowardly tactics or him attacking our players. I'm sick to the back teeth of his vindictiveness in ripping into players like Martial, Rashford and Pogba, whilst he heaps praise on players who follow his line. He's outright nasty to some at times but he seems to be passive aggressive and sarcastic, taking sly digs at his own players constantly.

His attitude stinks and 99% of the time takes no responsibility. Even the one time he took the blame against Sevilla,at home, he was so over the top in an attempt to act like he was protecting the players - it was his pathetic negative attitude and startibg Fellaini over Pogba which cost us.

Rashford and Martial play under incredible pressure for kids. Martial in particular was in great form when he was dumped for Alexis. Jose justifies their exclusion by questioning therir ability - great management there- whilst others like Lukaku, Sanchez or Matic were able to have long spells of poor form. Now they get 45 mins and if they don't hit the ground running despite their rustiness they are slammed.

Our collective poor performances against Brighton, West Brom, Huddersfield, Sevilla and a few other others indicate that something isn't right in the team as a whole. It's clearly something to do with coaching and motivation when all the players play poorly. Does Mourinho take any responsibility? no chance- he cries for more money to replace players. In a years time I seriously doubt Rashford, Martial or Pogba will be anywhere near the club. We get excited about the prospect of new players but there is certainly no guarantee they will do well under a manager like Mourinho.

I go back to the term stench when it comes to Mourinho. His attitude and the stuff he says stinks and there is a cloud of negativity surrounding the club I feel. It constantly feels like we are a couple of results from a crisis because of the way he plays and conducts himself.

Personally I worry for us and I look forward to Jose pissing off. I remember the 80s when we hoped for a cup run and a c couple of scalps at times before anyone calls me spoilt. We're second, we've a chance of a cup, we've beaten City in great fashion, smashed the Scousers for 45 and had some other great results.

In all honesty though, how many of you have actually enjoyed this season apart from some moments. I know I haven't.

Rant over

 

[Water Melon]

Define compete. For me it is completely dependent upon the board backing him seriously in the market (if there was any other manager at the helm I'd say the same). This City team are breaking records, they've spent more, they had more before, and they'll continue to spend (that's quite probably a fact too).

If our net spend breaks 200m this summer I would expect us to compete. Compete: be within a shout of winning the title in the final couple of weekends and at least reaching the QF of the CL.

Okay, so no bet then. For 2 sesons in a row he threw white towel to the prem before NewYear. This a perfect example of not competing properly for PL. I am sure he won't win eithet CL or PL next season. What is Pools net spend to reach CL final?

 

[Bastian]

Okay, so no bet then. For 2 sesons in a row he threw white towel to the prem before NewYear. This a perfect example of not competing properly for PL. I am sure he won't win eithet CL or PL next season. What is Pools net spend to reach CL final?

Well, I'll be if you have the same contextual understanding as I have, but if you're thinking that this team we've got should be neck and neck with City's form this season then we're living in different worlds.

 

[Garethw]

it's been the oddest season I can remember in my 40 years

on the face of it we've amassed a great points today. The standard of football is better than under Van Gaal and all those wins in the big games since Christmas show we are a force to be reckoned with on our day. We are back in the top 2 and it's the best finish since Fergie with a cup to be won, after winning 2 last season. He's spend a lot but we've a talented squad.

when you dig deeper though we are still over reliant on De Gea. We only play well for spells in games and we've very very rarely played well for more than 45 mins in games with our dicky tactics and selections. The stench of Mourinho is overwhelming for me. It really is. Every good thing we've done like our great start to the league or good results end up having a sour taste due to his cowardly tactics or him attacking our players. I'm sick to the back teeth of his vindictiveness in ripping into players like Martial, Rashford and Pogba, whilst he heaps praise on players who follow his line. He's outright nasty to some at times but he seems to be passive aggressive and sarcastic, taking sly digs at his own players constantly.

His attitude stinks and 99% of the time takes no responsibility. Even the one time he took the blame against Sevilla,at home, he was so over the top in an attempt to act like he was protecting the players - it was his pathetic negative attitude and startibg Fellaini over Pogba which cost us.

Rashford and Martial play under incredible pressure for kids. Martial in particular was in great form when he was dumped for Alexis. Jose justifies their exclusion by questioning therir ability - great management there- whilst others like Lukaku, Sanchez or Matic were able to have long spells of poor form. Now they get 45 mins and if they don't hit the ground running despite their rustiness they are slammed.

Our collective poor performances against Brighton, West Brom, Huddersfield, Sevilla and a few other others indicate that something isn't right in the team as a whole. It's clearly something to do with coaching and motivation when all the players play poorly. Does Mourinho take any responsibility? no chance- he cries for more money to replace players. In a years time I seriously doubt Rashford, Martial or Pogba will be anywhere near the club. We get excited about the prospect of new players but there is certainly no guarantee they will do well under a manager like Mourinho.

I go back to the term stench when it comes to Mourinho. His attitude and the stuff he says stinks and there is a cloud of negativity surrounding the club I feel. It constantly feels like we are a couple of results from a crisis because of the way he plays and conducts himself.

Personally I worry for us and I look forward to Jose pissing off. I remember the 80s when we hoped for a cup run and a c couple of scalps at times before anyone calls me spoilt. We're second, we've a chance of a cup, we've beaten City in great fashion, smashed the Scousers for 45 and had some other great results.

In all honesty though, how many of you have actually enjoyed this season apart from some moments. I know I haven't.

Rant over

Great post mate. This sums up how I feel too.

 

[Garethw]

So has Jose, if you compare him and SAF he has won more than Fergie in a shorter amount of time, has as many european trophies as him already.

Of course they did well after he left the guy is a genius in the transfer market, he won the treble with Inter with a 50 million euro net spend.
He always buys well and will leave us with a much better team than Fergie, Moyes or LVG left us.

Are you a Manchester United fan or a Jose Mourinho fan? Serious question.

 

[Water Melon]

Well, I'll be if you have the same contextual understanding as I have, but if you're thinking that this team we've got should be neck and neck with City's form this season then we're living in different worlds.

What is Pools net spend under Klopp? Shall we expect Mou to reach CL final next season.? If we outspend City this summer, shall we expect him to win PL? Anyways, going in circles. The only thing that I drew from our discussion is that neither of us believes that JM will win PL or CL next season.

 

[D. Mungai]

Mourinho is a very cunning human being, to understand him you need not to see things from face value. Dig deeper and you will unmask a man who has coached the elite won, fail and still managing one of the biggest clubs in world football.

Mourinho biggest trait he sees the problem and he either sorts it out or he blames other and ducks through the next door.

Mourinho of Chelsea and Madrid was a man on the edge, a man knowing he won't last long and success needs to be immediate. A man who laid platform for those clubs to be where they are now.

A man who knows how to sign players but also falls out with the same players when he deems they do not give 100%.
Mourinho Chelsea and Mourinho Madrid and Mourinho Inter signed players like Drogba, Cech, Essien, Ashley Cole, Robben, Calvalho the base of the 2005 team
Inter he signed Etoo, Milito, Sneijder, Motta, Lucio the base of 2010 winning team.
In Madrid he signed Ozil, Di Maria, Modric, Varane, Khedira.
In 2nd Chelsea he signed Diego Costa, Willian, Fabregas, Matic, Pedro, even Salah. Players we can lay claim were vital for Chelsea 2 titles in 3 years. What a coincidence Conte sold Matic and Costa and he has failed to achieve champions league berth. In United Mourinho has achieved to sign Pogba, Matic, Lukaku, Sanchez, Ibra. All those players are high caliber players, players integral to the functioning of a Mourinho team. Yes he has signed not so good players yes he has sold players who went and became good players but mourinho has a knack of signing very high caliber players.

Mourinho now in Manchester he knows he has a backing of a board and the match going fans he knows United are very patient if they see progress, essentially from the hole we were in since Fergie left. He knows he his not on the edge anymore, he is not looking behind his shoulders to see if the board are meeting to discuss his status thus Mourinho has not exploded now.

My faith for Mourinho increased the day he was interviewed, i think a month ago or so, he said i have won league titles and lost them, i know how to win them and i know how i lost them and i know how i lost this title (2018) to me that was the deal.
If any one can check my previous posts i remember very well i said we are going to win the league if we sign Perisic, yes we are 16 points behind but imagine if Sanchez was here since the start of the season. Its not a coincidence that we beat all the top 5 teams since the turn of the year bar the Spur away league game. Mourinho is turn on the screw now the concern is to finish of the lower caliber teams.

You can beat city coming from behind then lose to Westbrom. You can't beat Liverpool then lose to Sevilla 3 days later.
To me Mourinho is the only man to take us forward my trust in him is 100% he will deliver now. He knows he did mistakes in team selection now we are seeing 433 in major games.

Trust him, only him can overturn Pep and make Pep go for a sabbatical leave. United we are.

 

[buckooo1978]

Great post mate. This sums up how I feel too.

spoken to many a fan feeling the same way.

The problem is what shit will we have to go through for him to leave and who is available to replace him. Poch is one coach I like as a person, a manager and it would be interesting to see him with a United sized budget.

We will get top 4 again next year with Jose I think but aside from a couple of full backs making a difference I don't see a major improvement coming when we are collectively so poor at times.

there isn't a player you could point at and say this is the reason we don't score enough or this is the reason we rely on De Gea.

just hope we win the cup so we can shelve this year with a happy ending.

 

[simplyared]

Nothing to do with the thread title but is associated with motivating young players. Rashford gets the nod to come in against West Ham, 10 - 15 mins left of the game. He gets his instructions from the assistant manager and then goes over to the line where Mourinho is standing and waits to be called on. Mourinho turns to the assistant ref turning his back on Rashford and decides that sharing a joke with him is more important than giving his own player some encouraging words before entering the pitch. No contact was made whatsoever with the player!

 

[R'hllor]

Think its unfair to put a poll right after the game, maybe wait 2 days after Sunday

 

[Ban]

Crucial point earned in a tough away game. Kudos to everyone.

 

[Witchking]

Yep, the people that are saying that 2nd place and Fa cup isn't good enough would of been "Fergie Out" in 04,05, 06 when we came 3rd, 3rd, and 2nd.

Are you kidding me? Bloody hell. United's football was class in those times. We lost to Milan and went out in the group stage in 05 against Benfica in the CL and came up against top Arsenal and Chelsea while still rebuilding.

Yet our football was fun to watch with Giggs, Scholes, a young Rooney and Ronaldo and RvN. Just brought Evra and Vidic. But everyone knew what Fergie was trying to do. Comparing a United and football legend who during those times went through a bad spell in losing arguably one of United's best mid fielders in Roy Keane.

Jose on his own is or rather was a great manager and now has serious flaws which he refuses to look at and keeps blaming the players while spending some insane amounts of money.

Also we have not won the fa cup so hold your horses.

 

[kaiser1]

He broke the world record for a defender the season before.
What you don't seem to understand is that the money Mourinho been spending is basically peanuts in todays market, we were and are in need of a total rebuild. Not one player he inherited besides De Gea was good enough to start for United.

Barcelona has spend that amount on 2 players, City has spent 180 million more on a better team. Mourinho shouldn't be criticized for his spending, it's not been enough. But most of you act like the Glazers accountants.

The most expensive midfielder and striker in the league cant be peanuts
When you add Lindelof Matic and Alexis one of the best attackers in the league

 

[Bobski]

Are you kidding me? Bloody hell. United's football was class in those times. We lost to Milan and went out in the group stage in 05 against Benfica in the CL and came up against top Arsenal and Chelsea while still rebuilding.

Yet our football was fun to watch with Giggs, Scholes, a young Rooney and Ronaldo and RvN. Just brought Evra and Vidic. But everyone knew what Fergie was trying to do. Comparing a United and football legend who during those times went through a bad spell in losing arguably one of United's best mid fielders in Roy Keane.

Jose on his own is or rather was a great manager and now has serious flaws which he refuses to look at and keeps blaming the players while spending some insane amounts of money.

Also we have not won the fa cup so hold your horses.

Fergie wasn't breaking world transfer records to play some of the most dreary football in Europe.