Nice misqoute there. As long as it fits your agenda I guess ....
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Or a driving licence as many of us like to call it.
Tactical nukes don't kill people ...........
So why ban people from owning them? I'm sure there is a reason but it escapes me for the moment.
So why ban people from owning them? I'm sure there is a reason but it escapes me for the moment.
Valentine's Day Massacre.
I said it had been attributed to her, and that the discussion is already there, which it is if you go on Google and look it up. Lots of talk of mandatory driverless cars, terrorists and driverless cars (for and against), etc.
What's with the tone?
It bothers me that there doesn't seem much of a push to really get to, in my opinion, the root cause in the world compared to the push for more legislation, more government control, etc. It's a world made up of billions of people that act, think, etc... Strikes me as pretty important that we understand people in this situation! You wouldn't run a hospital full of people that didn't understand human biology.There’s literally no talk of that at all, and while that quote is Merkels, it was just some general PR talk about how far technology has come and will go. Knowing which sites have used it to attribute it to some „you can’t drive your own car anymore!“-discussion makes me wonder about you, to be honest. It’s r/t_d bullshit.I said it had been attributed to her, and that the discussion is already there, which it is if you go on Google and look it up. Lots of talk of mandatory driverless cars, terrorists and driverless cars (for and against), etc.
What's with the tone?
Not to mention we already all need a license, which only shows how stupid that statement was anyway.
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And there we have it. Fecking idiots, the lot of them
If its not about a gun she should have used the hash tag #FloridaAnotherLunatic
Not really sure what the point of this is, because by definition - "assault" is on a spectrum from an imminent threat of harm, to unlawful physical contact.
That's not on the same scale as having mass shootings on an almost daily basis in the US.
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I also have to disagree on your social differences argument. There’s no indication for that at all. There’s a lot that it’s an issue of an embraced culture of violence and extremely easy access to guns.
She is a dumb twat so deep in the pockets of the NRA and Trump. Unfortunately, she is massively popular and millions will lap shit like this up.
It’s genuinely mind-blowing that sentient human beings can think that someone whose child has just been shot might be upset by someone else calling for gun control immediately afterwards. What the feck?
My social differences? I haven't inferred mine in this thread yet, I was just replying to that individual comment because I didn't see how assault can be compared to gun violence.
I do agree that the US has a different attitude towards violence, in comparison to other countries - culture is probably a good way to define it, but either way the approach to firearms is just bizarre.
I wouldn't know why it's that way, and I'm sure there are scholars who have written on the subject - but from the outside looking in it's just unbelievable.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/motors/491...e-london-bridge-or-westminster-experts-claim/
https://spectrum.ieee.org/transport...rless-cars-optional-by-2024-mandatory-by-2044
Yeah, it's the Sun in that first link, but the media clearly has a massive influence on politics and people's perceptions. Society is only heading in one direction as far as surveillance, government control, etc is concerned, so it's an example to illustrate how this sort of thing could leak into other aspects of life and begin to really accumulate. I think it's really reached the time where there needs to be a bit more of an 'out the box' change in how we go about things as a society. For example, there is talk in this thread of having a few police officers in all schools, but like I say, how about more effort being put into encouraging children to think, to understand right and wrong, to know how to deal with the parts of us that lead to anger, violence, etc? The schooling system at the moment isn't really structured to instill anything like that, and is more of a 'do this, or else..." approach. The amount of mental illness and unhappiness in the world is very, very high, so there's a lot to suggest that we could do with making some more fundamental changes, and from the ground up. To use another football example, I suppose it's like a smaller club seeing the impossible situation in the transfer market in terms of prices, and deciding to prioritise youth and the academy instead.
The world is clearly not in a very stable place currently, and I don't feel like changing things that are more towards the surface of society (in the grand scheme of things) is going to eliminate the deeper issues.
This is her less than 24 hours after the Manchester arena bombing:
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This is her less than 24 hours after the New York attack last October:
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/insider.foxnews.com/amp/article/58805
But when it's a shooting, which is an infinitely bigger issue in the US, they trot out this "too soon" bullshit every single time.
I fecking hate these people, and they all have blood on their hands.
Eh? Your social differences? You said that gun violence is a result of social inequality in the US and I disagreed, for nothing to do with you.
Edit: that was another poster, nevermind.
I said no such thing.
The amount of people who say ‘guns don’t kill. It’s the people’ is ridiculous. If those people didn’t have guns in the first place I’m certain you’d have far less fatalities. What is it with Americans and their fetish for guns ffs?!
Who said tighter gun controls would "eliminate deeper issues"? That's a straw man. Literally nobody has tried to make that point apart from you. What it would do, though, is bring down the numbers of kids being slaughtered while at school. Which is the point being made my most people in this thread. How the feck does anything you've said address that simple point?
Its an eye opener in the south, people who are otherwise indistinguishable from you or I but have this love affair with guns and retain this inbuilt right to carry a gun. Its so alien to me, I picked up what I thought was a pellet gun from a pick-up truck, there was no warning to be careful with it, but the driver asked if i wanna go shoot it at the range. Just scary to think how blase the average joe is about these things in certain States.
Worth checking out the This American Life podcast that @Pogue Mahone shared in the PC gone mad thread. Half of it is about an NRA member trying to get realistic toy guns (airsoft and BB guns that look and feel real) banned and even that is met with derision.
Not even just in the south! I have friends all over America, in the 'liberal' states, who carry guns - get given ones for their birthday, go shooting regularly etc.
It's all completely alien to me and like you said - they are otherwise indistinguishable. I just can't understand it at all.
I think we can all appreciate the 'fun' aspect when it comes to video games, and toy guns when we were kids - but treating the real thing as if it's a hobby?
You'd think America was in a war zone.
Yeah, it's inexplicable. She's either incredibly dumb (I doubt it, though), being paid by the NRA (more than likely) or a genuine gun lover. Problem is, that she has such a big audience and many will lap it up.
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Not even banned outright! The bill was to make them illegal to bring into school. The mental gymnastics used by the NRA to explain why this would be a very bad thing is a sight to behold (which is a weird phrase to use about a podcast, admittedly).
Like I just wrote, she's either dumb, paid or a gun nut. I'm guessing paid, but who knows. She's got a massive following which is a problem, though.
In the absence of a satisfactory explanation for atrocities like these I make people like Tomi Lahren, Alex Jones and their likes directly morally responsible for the deaths of these kids.
Not speaking up against this is reprehensible. Aiding in getting these nutters guns is no less than conspiring. Everyone still arguing for easy access to guns has blood on their hands.
Not speaking up against this is reprehensible. Aiding in getting these nutters guns is no less than conspiring. Everyone still arguing for easy access to guns has blood on their hands.
As Jim Jefferies so eloquently put it; the only reasonable argument against gun laws is: feck off, I like guns!
I don't think I said they did. There's a lot of talk in a thread like this for authorities to step in, so I thought I'd put forward a perspective that aims more at tackling the origin of violence. I've just read through through the posts I've quoted (ones about mental health and gun control), and it all seems relevant to me.
Can you come up with any rational reason why society shouldn't do what it can to tackle the origins of violence (which will take time) and reduce the number of children being shot by making it more difficult to own guns (which can be done immediately)?
To be honest, I think in the US given the revelations about mass surveillance and an atrocity like Project MK-Ultra, I can understand if people are not happy to give up firearms in a state like that.
I was looking for rational reasons. So I'll have to take that as a "no".
All in the name of 'what/if the government becomes dictatorial, so the fat wankers with guns who don't know how to use will easily overthrow the government which has rockets and drones'.
fecking disgusting that this shit still happens in a supposedly civilized country.
fecking disgusting that this shit still happens in a supposedly civilized country.
It's again relevant, as it's assuming that the state has the best intentions of its people at heart, and that decent people are running it. There's evidence to show that the reality is not like that, so sure, it's a government's job in theory to protect people, but there are millions and millions of Americans who do not feel that the people in charge care about this, and I find that absolutely understandable.
You realise who you're talking to, right?
This would make sense if the same people weren't defending things like the "Patriot Act" and "USA FREEDOM ACT".
The fact that 98-99% do makes it nothing else than a nice sounding excuse. (how fitting)
Can you just explain to me how owning a gun helps you in these scenarios?
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