Well you can always share a screen in case of conflict for neutral. I can see who I voted forSo long as you trust each other to come forward with the real vote...
@Cutch and I couldn't trust each other to vote for ourselves to see the results, we once spent about 15 minutes of a final going "You first", "No, you!" via PM.
I'm not sure I recall any other 3-2-5 attempts in a SA team apart from that Brazil 1950 side(that ended well lol)?You think that's Juve?
On point, that's a rather different setup and looks every bit a 4-3-3 when on the ball, in attack, with a high line.
I have attempted 3-2-3-2 several times before and agree with the general point on not just dissing formations so long as they have the right players. The problem is you don't.
You need a high line and the wingers tracking back for your setup to work. Jair is fine, but you lack someone like him at the other end (which also happens to be Enigma's most dangerous flank). And you can't play a high line because De León would end up stranded in midfield most of the time.
This is an America's draft and I struggle to see how 3 or 5 (@Aldo) at the back can be a way forward, it's simply not in our nature and not what 99% of club and national teams have played. It's a bit like England struggling not to play 4-4-2. Terry, great defender. Rio, great defender. Campbell, great defender. Play them in a back three and it will be a fecking disaster.
If you wanted to play top heavy you should have at least made sure you had the right (and few) players in the key positions that will make or break the tactic. You haven't.
I buy that your formidable midfield can impose itself and control the game, but I don't buy that you will outscore the oppo. You will be great to watch, but Enigma will be more effective. Nevermind Garrincha: Zanetti => early cross => Erico => BOOM!
You'll control the middle of the pitch, so your rival will just counter down the flanks and bypass that midfield. Both Branco and Zanetti can boss those flanks and provide the crosses, add Garrincha and Sosita and they are just cheating. Who's leading the line? The human jack-in-the-box, the most agile and resourceful striker that you could hope for when focusing your game down the flanks.
Sorry mate, but I can't see it, even if Obdulio is a marked improvement on John Pantsil.
I reckon I'd buy Marzolini in the LCB slot.
Nah, Nilton would be more attacking and would not fit that role. Marzolini...but he comes across as a back 4 fullback too when I looked him in earlier draft. It's either VR Andrade or down to Cordoba level. Not really a wealth of options there, is there?
If you can't decide always vote Edgar. You really can't go wrong.
Nilton Santos played as a CB for Botafogo - like Maldini. IMO he's the best fit for this system. Apart from that is a bit meh...Nah, Nilton would be more attacking and would not fit that role. Marzolini...but he comes across as a back 4 fullback too when I looked him in earlier draft. It's either VR Andrade or down to Cordoba level. Not really a wealth of options there, is there?
Good shout in terms of abilities, but then I think he only played as a full back and would be an unfamiliar role for him.
Victor.
Maldini yes, but I didn't know Nilton played CB for Botofago. But then, would that really be doing justice to Nilton (known for his offensive prowess). How good a CB was he btw?
Could pull it off, but I'd prefer a bit more pace. He was an alternative I looked into but that wouldn't have survived an all-time final in that role.
What a missed opportunity! I was also very much hoping to draw you as well! Except you wouldn't have been facing the formation you expected to face. I was going to turn my team into a 4-2-4 and tactically exploit like Hungary did to England's WM
I even wrote a little in the hopes of drawing you but alas we shall save that for another day in another draft hopefully Would have been nice surprise!I was going to turn my team into a 4-2-4 and tactically exploit like Hungary did to England's WM
He won a Copa America. That's one more than Messi, Maradona or Pelé ever mustered.
I daresay it might be because he's a Chelsea cnut and there's a tendency amongst some of the die-hards to under-rate the likes of Terry and Kompany to paint the likes of Vidic and Rio in a shinier light.
Didn't he play like 2 minutes in that tournament, with Coates playing with Lugano in the tournament ?
I think he'd be a better fit as a LCB in a 3-5-2 with an astute left wing-back, but would lack the athleticism to effectively cover the two positions that would be required in a 3-2-5 or similarly gung-ho set-up.
Arguably though you could make the same tactical point about any of the Milan greats, Baresi and Maldini in particular. Or just about any defensive star from Serie A in the 1960s through to the 1990s.
Yes. It wasn't so much preferred as Coates having been part of the Tabárez "process" (building from youth teams) while Godín had to force his way in.
This
Pretty much this, we knew we are fecked the minute we draw Garrincha.....Ah well, this is done, I suppose.
Me & Sjor were actually surprised to have made it past @DavidG tbh. We did expect to crash out in R1. I was secretly hoping to draw onenil and his central formation to have a glimpse of a chance...but the moment we drew you both, we know it'd be a total washout. But hey, we still made R2 and got 4 votes in this match, so I count this as 'exceeds expectations' in my book
Great team and all the best way forward!
Thanks @Šjor Bepo . Brilliant partnering with you and super gif's on Rocha!
Erm no, it's quite clearly because Terry's poor athletically and isn't the most secure centre-back against the nippy and agile forwards with low centre of gravity. More of a classic stopper with great reading of the game, physicality, leadership and aerial ability etc. With a complementary set-up and a centre-back he'd be a solid presence at the back. Whereas Godin on the other hand, is more of a well-rounded stopper who doesn't have the same flaws that tends to plague your conventional stopper - sort of like Kohler vs say Butcher for example.
Tbf, that same charge could be levelled at some of the greats to ever play the game - Facchetti for instance plays in some fairly adventurous sides in these drafts and he's more or less always played in fairly defensive sides in Inter and Italy. For instance, does Dani Alves have to play in a high line and a possession oriented side for him to thrive? I could very easily claim 'does him (Alves) playing for one of the most tactically radical sides (Barca) in recent times, not count for anything?' That wouldn't be fair though imo, and one has to look at the individual and what they bring to the table, and most importantly how suited they are to the set-up they are being employed in. Would Dani Alves look out of place in a shut-out and defensively oriented side, with an emphasis on holding out at the back? Yes he would, just as Godin would look out of place in a high line, possession oriented side.
Has anyone claimed he is a top 3 SA defender of all time though? Most place him in the second tier after Nasazzi, Passarella, Da Guia, Chumpitaz and Santamaria. Only anto said there wasn't much between Santamaria, Chumpitaz and Godin to put them in separate tiers, which is fair enough and his opinion.
True. Godín was injured in 2011 and the one I complained about re: Tabárez' process constraints was Victorino whom I thought was a better replacement than Coates.
Terry has a showing weakness - his speed, which makes him unsuitable to a high-line defence (Villas-Boas says hi!) and he also is suspect if the opponent runs towards him at full pace (to be fair it's always harder this way, but he is more uncomfortable than the others). While his obvious strong points are his aerial ability (one of the best in his era) and physicality, which are, of course, better used in the sides that are sitting back and soaking pressure, like Chelsea did so well.
It was me who said that about godin, not calling him the 3rd best of all time at all , just lumping him in that second tier. There isn't a single central defence in world football he wouldn't improve, so when he hangs up his boots hel deserve his place amongst the elite defenders.
Cheers, great game. Loved your work on Rocha, really enjoyed watching him play more extensively for this draft. A real classy player.
Thanks mate. It was a good try tho, I know how you love trying new formations and approach. It's unfortunate not to have the right personnel to pull it off with restricted defensive pool.Ah well, this is done, I suppose.
Me & Sjor were actually surprised to have made it past @DavidG tbh. We did expect to crash out in R1. I was secretly hoping to draw onenil and his central formation to have a glimpse of a chance...but the moment we drew you both, we know it'd be a total washout. But hey, we still made R2 and got 4 votes in this match, so I count this as 'exceeds expectations' in my book
Great team and all the best way forward!
Thanks @Šjor Bepo . Brilliant partnering with you and super gif's on Rocha!
It was, rightly so,
It was, rightly so,
I intentionally avoided any mention of Garrincha for quite sometime despite @Joga Bonito asking me about it thrice. Even avoided quoting posts which had Garrincha in it. Really wanted to keep the focus away from him as much as possible
Now you know why I spent most of that game with Gio banging on about Nordahl vs. Erico. He had Moreno, Rivaldo, Platini, Xavi and Davids behind him. Tells you the whole story when my only parallel argument was lambasting how Davids couldn't do all the defending himself and would be overrun.Wut? I call this a squeeky bum finish. I demand voter transparency!
It's probably B
Not sure what went wrong but in all other games before you vote there were those two notifications:
