gormless
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Oh feck off FIA
Rumour aka Webber and Horner crapping on. The only way that Schumacher could have been penalized is if his DRS was open as the yellow flags came out for the incident. He wasn't close enough to any car on the final lap to use DRS and according to a poster on another forum I visit, clearly backed off in yellow flag sectors.Schumacher may lose 3rd. Rumour is that he used DRS during yellow flags.
They'll probably punish Hamilton.
A race ban?BBC are saying that Pastor and Lewis are in front of the stewards in 17 mins.
Hopefully a penalty for Pastor but going of his past record he should pass get a race ban
not with his past record.A race ban?
Would be harsh and unnecessary.
he did and BBC just showed it on the ForumSchumacher may lose 3rd. Rumour is that he used DRS during yellow flags.
Red Bull have denied this, say he will be driving for them in 2014Apparently Vettel has a pre contract with Ferrari for 2014. No idea how I missed that.
You missed a cracking race.The one race when my favorite driver of all time gets on the podium in a long time, I miss the race.
Im in the States but I have links to watch BBC 2. So in another 5 and 1/2 hours right?If your in the Uk iplayer or BBC 2 at 23:45
Cant argue with any of that.As much as Maldonado was at fault for the incident that saw Lewis into the wall, it was Lewis' own fault that he found himself in such a position whereby a crash could potentially occur.
Lewis' aggressive defence of a position he could never hold is what let him down today; it was very immature driving. Of course, he had every right to defend his position, but common sense dictated that he should have yeilded to the quicker car and accpeted fourth place. Maldonado was at fault for the crash but Lewis can only have himself to blame for getting into such a futile, risk-laden tussle in the first place.
Yes that's right, just under 5 hours now.Im in the States but I have links to watch BBC 2. So in another 5 and 1/2 hours right?
Of course you are correct, perhaps looking back Hamilton will realise he would have been far better off giving the place up and taking home the points. But you can't blame him for being punted off by quite frankly an accident driver waiting to happen, Maldonado would have got the position cleanly had he waited but he hasn't shown any common sense since he entered F1.As much as Maldonado was at fault for the incident that saw Lewis into the wall, it was Lewis' own fault that he found himself in such a position whereby a crash could potentially occur.
Lewis' aggressive defence of a position he could never hold is what let him down today; it was very immature driving. Of course, he had every right to defend his position, but common sense dictated that he should have yeilded to the quicker car and accpeted fourth place. Maldonado was at fault for the crash but Lewis can only have himself to blame for getting into such a futile, risk-laden tussle in the first place.
Quite often the same allegation leveled against Lewis earlier in his F1 career.would have got the position cleanly had he waited but he hasn't shown any common sense since he entered F1.
I think Lewis was pretty good in his first 2 seasons, 2010 he was genuinely mental at some points and 2011 someone shat in his cereal.Quite often the same allegation leveled against Lewis earlier in his F1 career.
I haven't read it, but I'm in a bad mood now, so I just wanted to point out that in actual fact, they're not. Will read it properly in the morningCars are faster than ever but they're also safer than they were before.
right on. May cost him the WDC.As much as Maldonado was at fault for the incident that saw Lewis into the wall, it was Lewis' own fault that he found himself in such a position whereby a crash could potentially occur.
Lewis' aggressive defence of a position he could never hold is what let him down today; it was very immature driving. Of course, he had every right to defend his position, but common sense dictated that he should have yeilded to the quicker car and accpeted fourth place. Maldonado was at fault for the crash but Lewis can only have himself to blame for getting into such a futile, risk-laden tussle in the first place.
can't stand him... So I agree, fantastic talent. He has great balance between fight and maintain. Lewis is all fight which hurts him.Said it before and will say it again. Despite what Vettel has done the last couple of seasons for me Alonso is by far the best allround driver in F1.
Just a fantastic talent and great to see him fighting for wins and championships.
Agreed, I am a Hamilton fan but Alonso is easily the best driver.Said it before and will say it again. Despite what Vettel has done the last couple of seasons for me Alonso is by far the best allround driver in F1.
Just a fantastic talent and great to see him fighting for wins and championships.
To be honnest if anything will stop Lewis from winning the WDC will probably be Mclaren. If they don't feck up today this incident doesn't happen. The BBC showed all the clips of the Mclaren errors with Lewis, it's a lot. If not for the feck ups he would probably be leading the WDC right now or at least a lot closer to Alonso.right on. May cost him the WDC.
Lewis is well within his rights to defend his place, he was two laps from the end & on a circuit which isn't renowned for overtaking. The problem is with your theory of letting cars through is that if you're a racer, you don't do that.As much as Maldonado was at fault for the incident that saw Lewis into the wall, it was Lewis' own fault that he found himself in such a position whereby a crash could potentially occur.
Lewis' aggressive defence of a position he could never hold is what let him down today; it was very immature driving. Of course, he had every right to defend his position, but common sense dictated that he should have yeilded to the quicker car and accpeted fourth place. Maldonado was at fault for the crash but Lewis can only have himself to blame for getting into such a futile, risk-laden tussle in the first place.
Given his previous history at Spa and Monaco it would be generous just a one race ban, anyway he got off light the ugly cnut.A race ban?
Would be harsh and unnecessary.
Massa? Yes he should be dropped entirelyMassa and Button should be dropped for a couple of races and some talented test/young drivers given a shot.
Brilliant drive from Alonso again. Him and Vettel are the Messi & Ronaldo of F1 - simply in a class above everyone else.
I said he had every right to defend his position, didn't I? That doesn't mean that to defend the position was the correct thing to do.Lewis is well within his rights to defend his place, he was two laps from the end & on a circuit which isn't renowned for overtaking. The problem is with your theory of letting cars through is that if you're a racer, you don't do that.
You let one car through & then every time anyone wants to pass you in the future they'll just stick their car up the inside and they know in the back of your head that you'll yield every time due to previous incidents of letting cars through.
The issue today with Lewis was more the McLaren pitstop feck up cost him a victory. As for Maldonado, well this guy shows that when it comes to racing and making judgements for position he clearly hasn't a clue. He's shown it time & time again (dont forget he was even banned for life from racing at Monaco in 2005 due to injuring a marshall) that the decision he makes are often the wrong ones.
I am sure that they are in no position to do that. Plus hamilton this season has been really mature, as mature as alonso and all, if it wasn't for mclaren he would've been leading the championship and wouldn't be in the position he found himself yesterday. Plus there were only 2 laps remaining so you can understand why he didn't want to lose the chance of finishing on the podium. He still was within his right to do what he did, its not his fault. In retrospect he probably should've backed off but who knows, he could've kept the 3rd position for 2 laps.I said he had every right to defend his position, didn't I? That doesn't mean that to defend the position was the correct thing to do.
I appreciate that I'm not a racing driver, but I disagree with your point because I think there were two champion racing drivers on the track yesterday who would have reacted to Maldonado differently to Lewis; namely, Alonso and Vettel. The more mature drivers would have recognised that Maldonado's fresher tyres meant that he was going past regardless of any effort to stop him, just as Kimi had done moments before. Getting into an aggressive tussle for position with a car with greater grip just isn't worth the risk, as Hamilton abruptly found out; just as with Kimi before the defending against Maldonado would inevitably involve much wheel-to-wheel maneuvering, and that's where contact and accidents occur; Lewis was basically just asking for trouble, all for the sake of three points, and it eventually cost him fifteen.
Now, I'm a Lewis Hamilton fan, he's the reason I began watching the sport five years ago, and it's his mental driving at times that attracts me to support him, he's certainly exciting to watch in comparison to the more mature drivers named above. It's hypocritical of me to expect him to tone down the racing that I love him for, but as much as I enjoy watching him make a crazy pass, I hate to see him throwing his steering wheel in frustration after smashing into a wall. If he's to win another title he has to learn to race for points efficiently like Alonso does so well, and the incident yesterday is a prime example of Lewis Hamilton failing to do exactly that. It cost him, and will cost him again unfortunately; I bet McLaren have given him a right bollocking on the quiet - or at least, they would have done had they not fecked up in equal measure.
No, of course not.I am sure that they are in no position to do that.
If it werent for Mclaren ? the team that built the best car on the grid for the first part of the season ?if it wasn't for mclaren he would've been leading the championship and wouldn't be in the position he found himself yesterday.