Rauður Djöfull
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Should be focusing on performing and shutting people up on the field instead
True, but it would be on Ten Hag too.I think he was focused on the drinking episode. I think we have moved on from that. The bigger problem is his effort on the pitch. Is he being instructed to save his energy to attack? If so, I have nothing to say. If he is supposed to press and track back when we lose possession and he doesn't, he is a fool for not realising his own failings.
It's literally a stage managed interview, isn't it?They sing his name every game, I don't think that's the problem. The fans might groan from time to time but they'd never actively turn on a homegrown player like Rashford.
I actually found it fairly refreshing to see him talk like a human to camera, everything around him normally feels so stage managed.
Not saying he should have done this whole piece (I'm of the opposite opinion) but I liked this aspect at least.
That's the part that bothers me the most. He's trying to push a false narrative instead of looking at his own performance. I don't think someone with that state of mind will ever be able to reach his full potential.He’s lost touch with reality the lad.
Now let’s cut through it, Pushing the whole rag to riches story and a challenging upbringing at a time when a lot of people are massively struggling for so many reasons. Just smacks of a lack self awareness. Is he expecting a load of sympathy? You got four buses to football?
Well so did I and many other people who still didn’t end up making it.
This is the first time in his career where he’s actually been criticised by the media/pundits for his performances and this is the reaction. This is the problem when you surround yourself with yes men for years. This is the problem when you prioritise your image, partying and the lifestyle of being a footballer as opposed to trying to be an actual footballer.
The insinuation that the criticism stems from jewellery and tattoos or anything else is a complete red herring. It is all down to Marcus Rashford playing like absolute shit for several months, walking around the pitch and being outperformed by teenagers.
I 95% wanted him gone in the summer before this PR release. That’s now turned to 100%.
There's no introspection, no ownership. The problem is ego and we have all helped build it. He only has to not embarrass himself for the opening 15 minutes of any match, make one back-track attempt and it's "he was world class today". We're all the blame. His name should echo through ages as a warning about what happens when a young player is treated like a God without it ever really being justified.That's the part that bothers me the most. He's trying to push a false narrative instead of looking at his own performance. I don't think someone with that state of mind will ever be able to reach his full potential.
Agree, it's an insult to the fans. Him saying, how can anyone question my loyalty? We see him in matches not trying. Their a good few videos of him not making an effort. He should explain them videos before releasing this social media nonsense.It's an odd thing to put out right now though, given the very public conversation about his lack of effort in games. All he had to do was work harder in games and people would shut up. Instead he went the let's get a production team together and film me while I talk about all the lies and clout chasers. It's fecking dumb as feck.
Because the PR team did not get selected in the playing XI.It still doesn't explain though why he can't seem to get arsed to run/ fight/ tackle/ care on the pitch.
Very true. So many players like the Nevilles, park, Nani, berb, Valencia, fletcher were heavily criticized during their united careers but look back now fondly.Ha ha, my God Nani would’ve been absolutely detested by these lot.
Ye I liked to see that too, seeing him say it is very different to words on a page and I absolutely believe him when he says he's committed to the cause, loves the club etc.They sing his name every game, I don't think that's the problem. The fans might groan from time to time but they'd never actively turn on a homegrown player like Rashford.
I actually found it fairly refreshing to see him talk like a human to camera, everything around him normally feels so stage managed.
Not saying he should have done this whole piece (I'm of the opposite opinion) but I liked this aspect at least.
A lot better? really?Ye I liked to see that too, seeing him say it is very different to words on a page and I absolutely believe him when he says he's committed to the cause, loves the club etc.
But clearly there is something missing on the pitch compared to last season. I put this more down to lack of confidence and mental struggles rather than a lack of desire or effort.
He was actually starting to play a lot better on the left in last couple of months but now the Hojlund injury (and ridiculous situation of having only 1 proper striker at the club) puts him out of position and we are back to square one.
YesA lot better? really?
Yeah 2/10 to 4/10A lot better? really?
Based on what?
Agree. Pathetic interview.Should be focusing on performing and shutting people up on the field instead
Id say more like 4/10 to 6.5/10Yeah 2/10 to 4/10
Absolutely not.Id say more like 4/10 to 6.5/10
Still way off his best obviously but there was clear improvement from a dire first half of the season including a few G+A in last couple of months
I tend to agree.It really doesn't do Marcus any favours as a man being paid £350,000 per week to do a job he reputedly loves, to come out (in public at least) with any sort of 'moaning'.
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Why hasn't there been a single media outlet asking such a simple question ?I think he was focused on the drinking episode. I think we have moved on from that. The bigger problem is his effort on the pitch. Is he being instructed to save his energy to attack? If so, I have nothing to say. If he is supposed to press and track back when we lose possession and he doesn't, he is a fool for not realising his own failings.
There is absolutely no chance of that. ETH is all about the collective. Almost all coaches are. The only coaches who make allowances like that are the ones who have a generational superstar in their team like a Messi or a Cristiano. That was one of Pogba's problems, he liked to compare himself to Messi and said "look, he doesn't run all the time, why are you bothering me". I don't think Rashford is as arrogant, I just think he doesn't fancy working his ass off and he's not used to it and already 26. Compared to someone like Welbeck who played essentially the same role, attacking from the left, it is night and day in terms of team work. Rashford is on par with Martial in terms of work off the ball. And it simply doesn't work for a team that wants to press from the front. But his goal tally last season and our lack of depth is the reason he is persisted with.I think he was focused on the drinking episode. I think we have moved on from that. The bigger problem is his effort on the pitch. Is he being instructed to save his energy to attack? If so, I have nothing to say. If he is supposed to press and track back when we lose possession and he doesn't, he is a fool for not realising his own failings.
Yeah... there was a moment Rashford lost the ball Vs Notts Forest, I think in the first half near the end and I thought - "right, what are you going to do now" and you could SEE he hesitated for a second, before he thought "I better make an effort" and he ran back and harassed the Forest players as they were making a break away. So maybe something's starting to click there, but it's definitely not a natural trait for him.(...) I don't think Rashford is as arrogant, I just think he doesn't fancy working his ass off and he's not used to it and already 26.(...)
Yeah, he's visibly working harder since the Belfast thing (though there are still plenty of times he doesn't bother, like the Barkley one). Would have been nice if he just continued to apply that higher level of workrate and plugged away at getting out of this wretched form instead of trying that for a couple of weeks then jumping into this interview to play the victim.Yeah... there was a moment Rashford lost the ball Vs Notts Forest, I think in the first half near the end and I thought - "right, what are you going to do now" and you could SEE he hesitated for a second, before he thought "I better make an effort" and he ran back and harassed the Forest players as they were making a break away. So maybe something's starting to click there, but it's definitely not a natural trait for him.
He did, which makes that part of his statement about taking criticism laughable.Did Rashford call out The United stand?
I was thinking the same“genius” and ”Rashford” in the same sentence
Not really, he shouldn't acknowledge that channel, but all it does it shit on our club for views.He did, which makes that part of his statement about taking criticism laughable.
But he did, so his statement is falseNot really, he shouldn't acknowledge that channel, but all it does it shit on our club for views.
Dont agree at all - he was awful in the first part of the season but was playing significantly better in the last couple months before the 2 matches upfront where he's done a pretty good Martial impressionAbsolutely not.
He has been playing the same way the entire time.
He will always get chances for goals and assists, because our main tactic is letting Bruno constantly feed him.
But he is exactly the same player he always was, no worse or better.
Last year he scored a lot, which is good and can't be understated. But he never PLAYED well. He really never plays well. He's a one-dimensional footballer specifically only useful for one type of tactic; playing on the counter with endless balls in behind defenders. Or in other words; Games in which we concede all control.
And that might give him anywhere between 5-30 goals a season (His normal level is more like 10+ goals a season), but it will never be a sustainable and predictable way of playing to dominate games and challenge for a 38-game league title.
Outcome bias makes a lot of people think his goals masks his overall performance. But all it does is ensure we never have the chance to dominate possession and dictate the tempo. And that is the only way we can reliably become a league challenger.
Rashford is a technical and tactical liability.
Same goes for Bruno.
I actually enjoyed reading that. I'm just not really sure what point it was trying to make.Tweet
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I realise that this won't change any minds for those who don't like him, but I thought it was a good read.
He's clearly letting the criticism get to him though, the best players just block out the noise and roll on regardless.
I never questioned his commitment to the club but clearly something is not right mentally for him at the moment, just hope he can push through it.
This is the bit I wish people on here would listen to.We all know that this has been a club in transition the last few seasons. When we are winning, you are the greatest fans in the world, and that’s a fact. We need more of that old-school positive energy around the club. I know what that kind of atmosphere can do, because it kept me going through my worst moments. Every time I walk out onto the pitch and I hear the fans singing my name, or I look around Old Trafford before kickoff, I feel that same positive energy
Horrendous take, there were many games Rashford played well last season, before he went on his goalscoring form towards the new year he was playing well but missing various chances. It's when Weghorst came that the teams performances began to take a nosedive but he held up play and dropped into midfield so fans were impressed on that basis.Absolutely not.
He has been playing the same way the entire time.
He will always get chances for goals and assists, because our main tactic is letting Bruno constantly feed him.
But he is exactly the same player he always was, no worse or better.
Last year he scored a lot, which is good and can't be understated. But he never PLAYED well. He really never plays well. He's a one-dimensional footballer specifically only useful for one type of tactic; playing on the counter with endless balls in behind defenders. Or in other words; Games in which we concede all control.
And that might give him anywhere between 5-30 goals a season (His normal level is more like 10+ goals a season), but it will never be a sustainable and predictable way of playing to dominate games and challenge for a 38-game league title.
Outcome bias makes a lot of people think his goals masks his overall performance. But all it does is ensure we never have the chance to dominate possession and dictate the tempo. And that is the only way we can reliably become a league challenger.
Rashford is a technical and tactical liability.
Same goes for Bruno.
Shut off their social media maybe?? That is easier than asking thousands of a-holes to change their ways.I actually enjoyed reading that. I'm just not really sure what point it was trying to make.
Please don't question my commitment to the club - I'm not sure anyone that matters has? It's more people questioning how a player can go from 30 goals a season to 5...and then the first thing inevitably that gets picked up will be things like not working as hard as other players, or driving around in a flashier car, or whether the player is unhappy.
This is the bit I wish people on here would listen to.
I don't think criticising a player is a problem but the online element of our fanbase is probably the most toxic in the world and invariably cant differentiate criticism from childish abuse. Most of our players are more hated/shat on by our fans than rival teams.
Some of the stuff on here about Maguire earlier in the season for example was utterly embarrassing. It wasn't one or two people either it's a majority en masse. And you can apply the same to some of what's been directed at Rashford, Fernandes, Antony, Casemiro, Onana, Mctominay, Ten Hag, etc. Etc.
Criticism might not affect a player but it's hard to see how constant dogs abuse from the people who are meant to be supporting them wouldn't. It obviously would and obviously does.
There's a video interview as well if you havent seen itI actually enjoyed reading that. I'm just not really sure what point it was trying to make.
Please don't question my commitment to the club - I'm not sure anyone that matters has? It's more people questioning how a player can go from 30 goals a season to 5...and then the first thing inevitably that gets picked up will be things like not working as hard as other players, or driving around in a flashier car, or whether the player is unhappy.
This is the bit I wish people on here would listen to.
I don't think criticising a player is a problem but the online element of our fanbase is probably the most toxic in the world and invariably cant differentiate criticism from childish abuse. Most of our players are more hated/shat on by our fans than rival teams.
Some of the stuff on here about Maguire earlier in the season for example was utterly embarrassing. It wasn't one or two people either it's a majority en masse. And you can apply the same to some of what's been directed at Rashford, Fernandes, Antony, Casemiro, Onana, Mctominay, Ten Hag, etc. Etc.
Criticism might not affect a player but it's hard to see how constant dogs abuse from the people who are meant to be supporting them wouldn't. It obviously would and obviously does.