Sequel to Pain and Gain?
Film The Irishman | Martin Scorsese | 2019
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Watched it yesterday and thought the same with out giving any plot away. It was great to see 4 out of my top 10 actors in a movie together in De Niro, Pacino. Pesci and Kietel.
Think they all did superb, I also thought think the CGI worked better than I thought that it would and from what I've read from online reviews. Bobby Cannavale was excellent and I think Stephen Graham really held hid own amongst the heavyweights. For me Pacino stole the show and I think he did it so well I could actually think of Jimmy Hoffa being like that.
I had heard of Hoffa but didn't realise how closely linked he was to the Mafia and that he was such a bad-ass guy. Been waiting for ages an thoroughly worth the wait. In my opinion at true masterpiece which could get a few Oscars although I've read some review where they thought it could be shorter but I think they Scorsese got it spot on it. I also read that is seemed a but slow in parts I disagree ith this and theink especially the first hour flew by One of my favourite movies already and would definitely watch again. Amazing movie. Modern classic.
It was funny trying to remember what part in Boardwalk Empire all the side characters played.
Watched this last night. I don't know what to think of it to be honest. There's some good moments. Some quality acting. It has a nice vibe about it. All feels a bit self indulgent though, and feck me was I ready for it to end.
Annoyingly the most interesting part is probably the bit that isn't true.
Annoyingly the most interesting part is probably the bit that isn't true.
Thought the story was a bit “same old” but thoroughly enjoyed watching de Niro (as usual) and Pesci was brilliant and Pacino good as Hoffa (The Irishman who wasn’t Irish). 3.5 hrs was unnecessarily long and it flagged a bit in the middle.
7.75/10
Loved seeing real American cars in America again.
7.75/10
Loved seeing real American cars in America again.
Do you think the running time time was a bit long. I personally thought it was worthy of that amount of time but I've read some reviews online and they thought the running time should have been shorter?
Hard to say, because it makes it feel more fleshed out, less rushed, which does add some value. But I was fidgety near the end. Especially once the story was over but it was still going.
Without giving away any spoilers I thought that was a part in it that would have happened later and wondered how it was going to go on from that point.
Thought Harvey Keitel had a good but small role too. He always seems to have a strong screen presence.
Was expecting him have more of a role but although he had a small role, I think he was great.
You gotta say...the 50/60s/70s Mafia was no joke. From labor unions to Havana casino's, from legitimate businesses to the President, they seemed to be involved in so many things. If only they stayed out of the drug business and didn't bring so much heat on themselves, they'd probably be in a better shape today.
Anyone else watch the Netflix documentary The Irishman: In Conversation? It’s Scorsese, De Niro, Pacino and Pesci talking about the film.
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Never heard about it. I might watch it. Do you think it is worth a watch?
Have they de-aged them?
Just watched it, found it a struggle. The de-aging was obviously awful, Berlusconi has achieved the same affect with plastic surgery and hair-dye. But beyond that, while it had all the form and structure of a Scorsese classic, it lacked the style and glamour, the dialogue felt forced, and the characters were dull. And I know this was the point, but it felt so aged and tiring.
I found the de-aging to be better than I thought it would be. I think it was amazing. Not quite the level of Goodfellas but still a classic in it's own right. I don't agree about the characters being dull. I thought they were all very good especially Pacino.
I don't see how you can find Pesci or Pacino's characters dull, they're both fascinating in their own right. De Niro's is, but his dullness is pretty much what makes his character interesting - the fact he was more or less a bystander in so many key moments and seems to be disconnected from any kind of morality.
De-ageist
Pesci was great as always, although I thought his character would be played in a slightly different way. I think Pacino's character stole the show. Think Pacino could be in for an Oscar for that one. I liked the way that De Niro's character interacted with Pacino's as well.
Absolutely loved every minute of that. It made me kinda sad thinking this is probably the end of an era, the last time these amazingly talented people work together. It's their swan song and it's a great way to go out on.
Pacino's de-ageing was great, never really felt I was watching a man in his 70s, his spontaneity in a lot of his scenes and dialogues complemented that very well as well.
Personally think him and Pesci stole the show. I couldn't take me eyes off Pacino in all his scenes, he had a brilliant screen presence throughout the movie.
I agree with a couple of posters above. Pacino was the best in this, not sure why he seems to be rated the worst.
I think Pacino did an amazing Jimmy Hoffa. Totally agree with your opinion on Pacino. He just seemed perfect for the role and he played it even better than I thought he would.
Really glad this movie came out, as I never thought I would get the opportunity to see so many of my favourite characters in the same movie. I think they got the casting spot on.
I think the interactions between Pacino and Stephen Graham's character were great too. Nice to see Joe Pesci coming out of semi-retirement for the movie and even at 76 the guy still oozes class, same for Harvey Keitel.
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This movie from everyone I've heard from is the dogs bollox. I'll be watching it today for sure.
Pacino was great and he was able to move a lot better than De Niro i felt . You never doubted what age he was supposed to be .
Stephen Graham was as usual outstanding . How he is so convincing as these Italian Mobsters i don't know but i thought he stole the show
Stephen Graham was as usual outstanding . How he is so convincing as these Italian Mobsters i don't know but i thought he stole the show
The de-aging didn't bother me at all. It was a bit daft only giving Anna Paquin 7 words though.
I liked it very much. The de-aging jarred early on for me but once I'd got used to it and the characters aged throughout the piece their faces and hair became a non-issue, the actors moving a touch stiffly at times (Pesci near enough crawling up the stairs and De Niro creaking outside the grocer's shop) was more of a distraction but again not a deal-breaker. I enjoyed watching what was a fairly simple story unfold and I thought the acting was superb on the whole. It was a brutal, funny, tender film and a joy to spend three and a half hours with this collection of artists for what will probably be the final time.
The story was simple but did you not think "wait, who feck is this guy again?" multiple times? It was definitely said at least once each by me and the other three I watched with.
Some transformation by Herc into Fat Tony Salerno:
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Seemed to be a mix of other films?
There is already a film based on Jimmy Hoffa called Hoffa with Jack Nicholson as Jimmy Hoffa. Although I've never saw it as only I found it existed while I was waiting for this to come out. I may watch that at some point.
The 1992 version with Nicholson is a good watch too.
Thanks for that. I think Jack Nicholson is amazing actor but I heard the writers painted Hoffa in a different light. Will be interesting to see how 2 of my favourite actors compare when playing him
never knew about hoffa, but Al Pacino seems like playing Al Pacino it's distracting. I feel like i've seen his bravadoes somewhere else.
Pacino's attitude reminded me a bit of what he was like playing Vincent Hannah in Heat.
He's been like that since tony montana
Loved him as Tony Montana. He was my favourite Pacino character of all time.
No we thought it was ok from that standpoint, though I've struggled with previous mob films where the muscle in the room if often pretty interchangeable. Which characters confused your group?
Jesus Christ I did not know thatSome transformation by Herc into Fat Tony Salerno: