The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

[Random Task]

Sad to say I have changed my mind. After the Europa League, league cup and 2nd place, I thought we were starting to build something. It's not working and we actually seem as bad as when he took over now.

The situation is arguably worse given the fact that this is our worst start to a premier league season since it's inception.

Three seasons into Jose's tenure, £400 million spent in the transfer market and we're still not closer to a settled first XI and he is still tinkering with the formation (3 times this season already)

 

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In other news, nice to know that Gary is still Moyes In! after all this time.

So this is me done with Gaz as a DoF, for sure getting us from winning the league to the 7th place in one season while losing the cabin and breaking all records was a great achievement and he should have been given more time. Get a fecking grip Gary, I mean it would be fun to see anichebe playing for United but enough is enough, the man got a sack and we were respectful to fire him this late when it was impossible to reach top4

 

[Delano]

He's got to go. It's got to a point now where it's only going to get worse from here on out.

Our attacking play is dreadful, it's slow, ponderous and devoid of any attacking pattern or intent. You watch Chelsea and Liverpool yesterday and its like they're playing a different sport.

Also, with the players we have its unforgivable that we are constantly outplayed by "smaller" clubs with the fraction of our spend. This starts with the manager. Jose clearly lacks the ability to run attacking drills and coach attacking players properly, whilst he continues to field an imbalanced team that has zero attacking ability on the right.

Yes, Mourinho is traditionally a defensive coach that believes in counter attacking after absorbing pressure, but look at the state of our defence! It's an absolute shit show. You could've driven two buses between it for West Hams 3rd and every time they attacked they looked like scoring. If he's a specialist in defensive play, yet can't drill his players to implement his defensive ideas then what can he do to improve us? Spend more money? He's already spent a bucket load on waste that he either drops, hounds in the press or are called Lukaku.

Admitingly this isn't all on Jose though, the board is directionless when it comes to football matters and the sooner we take Woodward off the football side and appoint a proper DOF we will be able to see real changes. However, Woodward is so in bed with the Glazers that I can't see this happening any time soon. Which means the saddest part of this whole debacle is our current structure is setting any future manager up for failure. Whether it's a young idealist or a serial winner, the manager will not get the informed support they require with a brand manager continuing to ru(i)n the club.

 

[Sultan]

It's simple in my mind.

When a manager who buys, heads the coaching department and picks teams can't get his players playing to a certain standard after 2 years in the job its time to ask questions. I think it's a weak excuse to blame the players or lack of support from the club when he's been supported by massive amounts.

We have the players who have proved their quality on both international stage and their previous clubs to have earned the right to play for United. Not only are they not performing the squabbles and leaks coming out of the club is embarrassing. Together with football performances, Mourinho's man-management has left a lot to be desired. The atmosphere around the club has become toxic. The clubs headlines are more about off-field issues than football.

Mourinho is such an intelligent guy I wouldn't put it past him to design, deflect, instigate situations where the club has no options but to sack him and he moves on to other clubs with his reputation intact to a certain extent. History proves he is both a winner and has serial issues at most of his clubs after a few seasons.

Is this by design or just mere coincidence is the crucial question here and now?

 

[Sultan]

Jose living in a hotel since his appointment hasn't just registered in my mind. When I think of hotel accommodation I think short term.

I have no idea why the club decided to extend his contract. He'd have hardly gone and joined another club or there is a shortage of people who can manage United if he did leave. It seems to me the club is making so much money and those in charge have no respect or consideration where and how it's spent.

 

[giorno]

Neville is absolutely right about the problems starting from the top. The fact you hired David Moyes is proof of that

Now the situation is not about apportioning blame: Mourinho needs to go because every sign points to thing unraveling and fast. Whether it's his fault or not doesn't matter. What matter is what you can do to salvage the season. And you can't do that by sticking with Mourinho

 

[Nytram Shakes]

It just feels like the whole club is on hold until things go wrong enough so we can part ways

The only part of me that wants him to stay is I know we are just going to hire Zidane which is really not what we need right now, we need some one whose main strengh is coaching and knitting a team togther not a Zidane or Ancelotti whose main strength is mangeing ego's.

 

[elnorte]

It's interesting to observe in this thread how naive people can be when their emotions and lack of understanding take precedent over rational thinking. Anything to satisfy their mental states and feed the notion that they are indeed right. This whole thread is just like the last few months of Moyes, then LVG. Once bitten, and all that. Similar situation, similar emotions, 6 years of the same bs but nobody learns. Let's bring in number 4 and we go again!

While Mourinho has his faults, the one-track hivemind thinking that our problems can be solved by sacking one man is desperation at best. These are the kind of simpletons that make Eddy Woody think he can get away with his noodle sponsorships and playing Football Manager with our club. When nobody can see past their noses, you can get away with murder.

If we are looking to get rid of Mourinho, then Eddy, dabmaster #Pogba and 2/3rds of our squad should follow him out the door. The management of footballing affairs, media handling, player recruitment, squad coaching, and player attitudes have mostly been a disgrace since SAF and our senior players left. (It was already going to shit while SAF was here, as some would have realised, but SAF being SAF held this massive sinking ship together) We cannot afford to go through another manager spending 750m or whatever and failing again because Woody decides he wants to buy Neymar to sell shirts.

Superb from beginning to end with the part in bold being an excellent piece of inconvenient truth that so many on here would rather ignore.

 

[Canagel]

The more I read this, the more it seems you agree with Gary.

"Needs to shut up" sounds very disrespectful of somebody that has forgotten more about this club than most of us know.

I don't disagree that our problems start from the top but sticking with failing managers just to be loyal for the sake of it isn't the solution either.

 

[Smithy89]

He's in sabotaging mode as usual.

 

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[fellaini's barber]

Poll reached 70% now.

If United lose the Valencia game it will be closer to 100% I think.

If we draw or nick a win it'll be back to 60% then

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This is why I don't want most of of our ex players near the club in any decision making capacity, sorry to say, especially the English ones

 

[The Cat]

The bookies now have Mourhino at evens to be the next Premier league manager sacked.

If I were brave enough I'd have a lump on that.

 

[Abhinav]

I was in the Jose in camp until a week ago because I thought the team was behind him and we were making progress, however slow. However, the turn of events since then have clearly reflected a divide in the dressing room. It seems half of the players are not behind Jose, and those who are, unfortunately do not have the required quality to make a difference. Jose is struggling to motivate the team to put in any sort of performance, so he has to go.

That said, I want the club to take a stance and also ship out the mischief makers such as Pogba, Martial and whoever is more concerned about winning a personal battle than putting in their best for the club and the supporters. It will hurt us in the short term, as make no mistake, these are really talented players. In the long term, it will make it clear to whoever remains behind, that the club will not tolerate any such bullshit in the future and it will help the next guy who steps in the job.
Unfortunately, I don’t think Ed Woodward is the guy who will either take the decisive step to sack Jose now, or make any changes to the players, or even appoint the right successor to Jose. He should realize that he is not good at the footballing side of things and hire someone to help him correct the rot we seem to be stuck in.

 

[Speedicut75]

Jose living in a hotel since his appointment hasn't just registered in my mind. When I think of hotel accommodation I think short term.

I have no idea why the club decided to extend his contract. He'd have hardly gone and joined another club or there is a shortage of people who can manage United if he did leave. It seems to me the club is making so much money and those in charge have no respect or consideration where and how it's spent.

I can't be sure but wasn't he coming out publicly with references to Paris being a beautiful city, and a great place to live? I think the hierarchy at the club felt obliged to offer him an extension in order to head off the predictable speculation about him joining PSG. I always thought the whole thing felt a bit forced and I was never sure why the club kow-towed to him in this way, but from a strategic standpoint it has made his tenure into the 3rd season more secure.

The hotel thing always lacked a sense of permanency, and I often wonder whether his close family moving with him would have helped him settle, both domestically and professionally, but he had them in place whilst at Chelsea and he still managed to go rogue in no time at all.

 

[Sultan]

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I can understand where Neville is coming from with his quotes to an extent. He was a one-club man, managed by the same manager. He saw success with that formula. However, the main point here is the quality and longevity of the people during United's most successful years were Sir Matt and Sir Alex. Moyes was just out of his depth. LvG, the less said the better. Can't argue with the logic of Mourinho's appointment, but as his previous record has proved he's both a serial winner and a liability.

Neville doesn't say Moyes was the right choice.

 

[AlwaysRed66]

He definitely should go, & I think will do very shortly. I think what has made matters worse for him, is that all our rivals have progressive attacking style managers, except Chelsea, which make fans more despondent & willing for change. If they were all managed by Mourinho or Simeone clones I don't think there would so much willingness to change managers.

 

[#07]

A turnaround now is looking as likely as snow in the Sahara. I have been Mourinho in but even I can see the writing is on the wall.

The club didn’t back him, his authority evaporated and week by week we’re shown it will not return. Effectively this season blew up before it started with the briefings. Now we’re just dealing with the wreckage.

The decisions required to restore Mourinho’s power aren’t going to be made so why hold onto him? The players don’t want him and since the board has decided to hold on to them we gotta get shot of Jose.

 

[Sultan]

I can't be sure but wasn't he coming out publicly with references to Paris being a beautiful city, and a great place to live? I think the hierarchy at the club felt obliged to offer him an extension in order to head off the predictable speculation about him joining PSG. I always thought the whole thing felt a bit forced and I was never sure why the club kow-towed to him in this way, but from a strategic standpoint it has made his tenure into the 3rd season more secure.

The hotel thing always lacked a sense of permanency, and I often wonder whether his close family moving with him would have helped him settle, both domestically and professionally, but he had them in place whilst at Chelsea and he still managed to go rogue in no time at all.

Good point about Jose going rogue in his 3rd season even with his family being around. If an employee threatens to leave for pastures new then does really want to be here?

 

[Oldyella]

I can understand where Neville is coming from with his quotes to an extent. He was a one-club man, managed by the same manager. He saw success with that formula. However, the main point here is the quality and longevity of the people during United's most successful years were Sir Matt and Sir Alex. Moyes was just out of his depth. LvG, the less said the better. Can't argue with the logic of Mourinho's appointment, but as his previous record has proved he's both a serial winner and a liability.

Neville doesn't say Moyes was the right choice.

Surely thats even worse? He wasnt the right choice, but we should have stuck with him anyway!

 

[Sultan]

A turnaround now is looking as likely as snow in the Sahara. I have been Mourinho in but even I can see the writing is on the wall.

The club didn’t back him, his authority evaporated and week by week we’re shown it will not return. Effectively this season blew up before it started with the briefings. Now we’re just dealing with the wreckage.

The decisions required to restore Mourinho’s power aren’t going to be made so why hold onto him? The players don’t want him and since the board has decided to hold on to them we gotta get shot of Jose.

Exactly! Pointless prolonging the inevitable.

 

[Sultan]

Surely thats even worse? He wasnt the right choice, but we should have stuck with him anyway!

He basically wants to remain in peoples good books. Just being a diplomat.

 

[VP89]

Top 4 isn't out of reach, but can you mention a thing that points to us getting there?

Nope. I just point to his efforts from a results standpoint in the previous two seasons and managerial pedigree (again solely from results).

My general view is just that he has earned more time and benefit of doubt than just September (heck even October) to turn it around. Unless he loses every game of course, but you get what I mean.

 

[The Cat]

Exactly! Pointless prolonging the inevitable.

Have to agree now.

 

[AndyJ1985]

Neville is just another United fan who is stuck in the past, believing what worked for the club when Ferguson was manage will work again. It's no different to the scousers clinging on to the past when their success came to an end. Times move on and we're no different to other clubs now. If a manager isn't working out then you sack him.

 

[Rash Decision]

He definitely should go, & I think will do very shortly. I think what has made matters worse for him, is that all our rivals have progressive attacking style managers, except Chelsea, which make fans more despondent & willing for change. If they were all managed by Mourinho or Simeone clones I don't think there would so much willingness to change managers.

Bit behind the times there mate!

 

[goldenballs]

Publicly embarrassing players does not help the cause, the tweet directed at Martial and Sanchez, the demoting of Pogba as VC, the declaration of "I knew we were in trouble after the 6th penalty, when Eric and Jones were stepping up to take next" and the whole Luke Shaw debacle in the past . These are only some that have made the headlines, is it no wonder the squad is not producing 100% effort. I know for certain, that if my boss took the piss like that, he wouldn't be getting my undying devotion.

 

[goldenballs]

Just look at his attitude to questions from the press. He is so egotistical, it's unbelievable, he just loves his own voice and can't help being condescending. Arrogance, beyond belief.

 

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[b20times]

That United way died a long time ago. It's a results business. Mourinho did well to win us two trophies in his first season and get us our best finish since Fergie retired but look where we are now, falling behind the other top six teams and Mourinho and the players just don't look up to anymore. We need a change and I know damn well that this isn't all on Mourinho. The incompetent board are to blame for this mess too.

Woodward is a business man not a football man. He's more bothered about pounds than points. Gill was both but understood that you had to be successful on the pitch more than anything.
Today Woodward is only bothered about social media hits, deals with overseas companies and bragging about money made.
Not the right man for club for me.

 

[Rash Decision]

I can understand where Neville is coming from with his quotes to an extent. He was a one-club man, managed by the same manager. He saw success with that formula. However, the main point here is the quality and longevity of the people during United's most successful years were Sir Matt and Sir Alex. Moyes was just out of his depth. LvG, the less said the better. Can't argue with the logic of Mourinho's appointment, but as his previous record has proved he's both a serial winner and a liability.

Neville doesn't say Moyes was the right choice.

I suppose we can understand where he's coming from, but he comes across here like he believes we can't sack a failing manager just because it goes against United values. Which is nonsensical in my opinion. What were we supposed to have done with Moyes?

 

[Betson]

Up to now I was in the 'Give him more time' camp but time is running out now and there is no sign he is turning things around. But I don't think a new manager will cure all ills as we do not have enough quality in the current squad. Which is staggering given the amount of money we have spent on it. But there is certainly room for improvement.

A fresh new voice and fresh start for a new manager might get some way back on track to rescue something out of a season that looks like it is imploding already and we are not even in October yet.

 

[SadlerMUFC]

I can't understand why anyone would vote for Mourinho to stay. It reminds me of Ty from ArsenalFanTV. He always supported Wenger no matter what and I couldn't figure that out either. It was almost like if he said he was "Wenger out" then that would mean he isn't a true supporter of the club. So just like Wenger at Arsenal, how can people still want Mourinho at United? At least with Wenger there was some history and past great seasons to hold onto. Other than a Europa title, Mourinho hasn't done anything and our club is moving backwards. Mourinho out...

 

[RedRonaldo]

Jose has to go. Our squad is one of the most expensive around, but our football is shite and our results are bad, and we are in 3rd season already, its just getting worse.

But I will give him couple more months time to turn things around.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

I don't see how anyone can remain behind a manager who purposefully decorated his own team just to provide some weird point/agenda

 

[Summit]

Jose has to go. Our squad is one of the most expensive around, but our football is shite and our results are bad, and we are in 3rd season already, its just getting worse.

But I will give him couple more months time to turn things around.

Makes sense

 

[Redlambs]

I can't understand why anyone would vote for Mourinho to stay. It reminds me of Ty from ArsenalFanTV. He always supported Wenger no matter what and I couldn't figure that out either. It was almost like if he said he was "Wenger out" then that would mean he isn't a true supporter of the club. So just like Wenger at Arsenal, how can people still want Mourinho at United? At least with Wenger there was some history and past great seasons to hold onto. Other than a Europa title, Mourinho hasn't done anything and our club is moving backwards. Mourinho out...

Probably the same guys who convinced themselves his football wasn't defensive and stale. There were enough threads on it, telling us all how we were wrong and he actually could play entertaining football and move with the times.

 

[Woziak]

The reality is that footbal has undergone a dramatic change within the last 5 years with the emphasis now on pure attacking football even in the Italian League, the top 2 or 3 score goals and do not try and win games 1-0 anymore!

Sari's Nappoli came second to Juventus with 91 and 86 points respectively and now you have 4 out and out Attacking Managers coaching clubs from the Top 6.
Teams like Liverpool, City, Chelsea and Spurs will all lose less points to the rest of the teams below them in the league table this season. Unai Emery, the jury is still out but so far so good. The reality is you have to score goals to mount up 90 point plus teams and under Jose we have no idea and he has never really had an idea on how to set up pure attacking teams!

Yes Wolves, West Ham, Everton, Watford, Palace and Leicester have improved significantly the group of teams below the Top 6 but in my opinion they will only take major points of Arsenal and United. The improvement of Liverpool and Chelsea added to the best two PL teams from the last 3 years means we might see 4 teams this year all gain over 85 points!!

My point is that City, Liverpool, Spurs, Chelsea providing they keep their coaches will improve year on year with the PL winners being divided up by all 4, yes Spurs may actually suprise us all and win a PL in the next 4 years if they keep Poch.
Arsenal can only get better as can we but NOT UNDER JOSE MOURINHO stewardship, that ship has finally sailed!

I normally do not like Knee Jerk decisions, especially where Man United Managers are concerned, however the garbage and dribble that Jose has spurted in the last 6 months means that the Club must make that decision just before or just after the Valencia Game to allow the new Coach the opportunity to salvage this season and far more importantly not fall further behind the other teams within the Top 6 in the next 5 year cycle!

 

[Canagel]

Neville is just another United fan who is stuck in the past, believing what worked for the club when Ferguson was manage will work again. It's no different to the scousers clinging on to the past when their success came to an end. Times move on and we're no different to other clubs now. If a manager isn't working out then you sack him.

I even remember him saying that as of the end of last season Mourinho and Guardiola were equal and this season would be the one to decide who wins that battle. It's a lot of nonsense.

 

[badkins]

This is getting beyond absurd now, we have a manager basically playing for himself.

Mourinho I remember would defend his players, say they're the best in the world as they're his players, speak some bullshit to the media just to keep the pressure away from them etc., and it worked for Chelsea v1 and Inter. Team first. And they were the great teams in terms of spirit and togetherness. You could just tell by looking at the players they're willing to do everything for Mourinho.

This version of Mourinho is attacking his own players publicly and randomly, why would he even mention Martial in post match interview?
Where is the Mourinho who would normally say to the media "Feck you, my players gave everything today, I am the Manchester United manager and dont need to explain my decisions to you" and work his shit internally? Why is he putting himself ahead of the team?

We're a mess at the moment and our football is going nowhere in his 3rd season. What are we waiting for?