The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

[Reddy Rederson]

I literally said good results don’t mean anything. The performances are far more important than the results, and even under Vangle the pre season performances were nothing to write home about. The performances under Moyes and Jose this summer gone were bad, and the seasons that followed were bad. Pre season is a decent indicator of the quality of football that is to come.

And everyone got excited about the lvg pre season. You don’t get to say it was shit now, when at the time everyone was excited and praising the team. Pre season doesn’t mean anything. It’s exhibition matches for money, in no way is a reflection of the squad one way or the other. “It’s only pre season” means wait until the season starts before predicting failure.

Honestly, I think half this place would abandon the caf if we went on a decent run. Even when we have done well in a game, it’s “yeah but”. Can’t even enjoy a win without a moan. And now it’s “I told you so” again. . Yeah, we’re the arseholes for having a bit hope in our club.

 

[SATA]

Jose has really done well for himself when he flirted with PSG and Ed panic by giving him an extension

 

[RedDevil@84]

Someone can correct me but i think Conte was paid like 8m which looks fairly decent.

What was the salary Conte was on and what terms he signed the contract on. From the news it looks like, Jose has only the CL clause.

 

[Jim Beam]

Honestly think even he can't believe he isn't sacked yet.

 

[RedDevil@84]

£24m is almost twice his salary though. According to most reports he earns ~£15m a year.

Was the 15M the new contract? I think he was already on those salaries when he first joined.

 

[Water Melon]

I actually hate madrid fans because of that type of behaviour. Its never good and sets the club in a bad light. Fans shouldn't have to riot to send a message. At this point there really is no need to fire mourinho until we find a good replacement. He also gets a very huge paycheck if he leaves now. He is essentially winning which we can't have after all he has put us through. He can leave once we can't attain top 4 and there is legal reason to fire him.

The only cons to this strategy is that we have to watch much more dross and our key players might be damaged beyond no return.

So the question is if the game is worth the candle? I doubt it is. Sack Mou and we are likely to see improvement in our performances.

 

[Adisa]

Do the fans actually sing Jose's name in the stadium or do they just not boo Jose?

Lurkhurst wrote that "Mourinho red army" was not heard yesterday. But from looking at the fan cams, seem Jose is less popular among the away going fans.

 

[Buster15]

It's not about money. I refuse to believe the Glazers are worried about 18 or 24 million which is peanuts for them. The real culprit is Woodward, who is probably afraid to make a big decision mid-season when no clear candidate is available.

Woodward has a comfort zone, which is end of the season for sackings and restructuring. He is too much of a coward to shake things up now and would prefer to simply ride out the season. The Glazers simply listen to him.

About right - no obvious candidate it seems.
Not going to happen before the Christmas matches then probably not till the end of the season.

We will get a good indication on whether he is allowed to spend in the January window.

 

[Kanu]

I want this nightmare to be over. He needs to feck off

 

[red thru&thru]

Jose did say the club won't sack him as it would cost us a lot of money, which is correct.

Also, is there credibility in that Glazers are looking to sell? Would be stupid to shell out £24m by sacking Jose and then selling. Just sell the club and let someone else have the headache of dealing with Jose.

 

[dove]

Was the 15M the new contract? I think he was already on those salaries when he first joined.

According to most papers he got a payrise from £12m to £15 when he extended the contract. Anyway £24m sounds way too much.

 

[groovyalbert]

Thing is, Jose also acts as a buffer for the board. The press and fan-base are largely focused on Jose, if he was to go the demand on Ed and the board would intensify.

There would be such demand on Ed to finally get a managerial choice right that it's almost certainly worth his while to persevere with Jose instead of take a chance on a new option. Particularly as no obvious choices jump out to replace Jose.

This whole thing is totally numbing/depressing.

 

[Cloud7]

And everyone got excited about the lvg pre season. You don’t get to say it was shit now, when at the time everyone was excited and praising the team. Pre season doesn’t mean anything. It’s exhibition matches for money, in no way is a reflection of the squad one way or the other. “It’s only pre season” means wait until the season starts before predicting failure.

Honestly, I think half this place would abandon the caf if we went on a decent run. Even when we have done well in a game, it’s “yeah but”. Can’t even enjoy a win without a moan. And now it’s “I told you so” again. . Yeah, we’re the arseholes for having a bit hope in our club.

Why are you giving me this passive aggressive rant about things I haven’t said? I do get to say it was pointless because at the time I didn’t think it was a marker of us going on to have a good season. My view on this has been consistent since then. Since Sir Alex left a pre season with poor performances has been followed by a poor season. That’s not controversial.

As for your second paragraph, I didn’t say anything relating to that, not sure why you’re tossing that at me, but I’ll reply anyway. The club as a whole is in a bad place. One win here or there doesn’t change anything. If you want to enjoy it, then great, if other people want to look past one win to see that we’re still in a mess, they are entitled to do so as well.

 

[Adisa]

£24m is almost twice his salary though. According to most reports he earns ~£15m a year.

First of all, he has 18 months left on his salary, not 12. Also because he is the one getting sacked, he is entitled to ask for any loyalty bonus that would have been due if he finished the contract.
Personally, I think that 24m is a very conservative figure if his salary is indeed 15m a year.

 

[Minimalist]

If it is a financial decision, it seems like the board refuses to take its medicine.

It made a daft decision to land a problem-ridden manager like Mourinho with a massive contract, before then unnecessarily and unjustifiably extending it.

Fecking own up to it and take the financial hit on the chin.

 

[red thru&thru]

It's not about money. I refuse to believe the Glazers are worried about 18 or 24 million which is peanuts for them. The real culprit is Woodward, who is probably afraid to make a big decision mid-season when no clear candidate is available.

Woodward has a comfort zone, which is end of the season for sackings and restructuring. He is too much of a coward to shake things up now and would prefer to simply ride out the season. The Glazers simply listen to him.

If this were the case, he's even thicker than people give him credit for.

All Ed has to do is, cut and paste the Red Bull formula. Our fans would be patient in success in knowing we have a plan. At the moment, our biggest frustration that there is no plan. No plan about how we play. No plan in how we recruit. No plan for there being a path way for our youth players. Nothing.

 

[ash_86]

What was the salary Conte was on and what terms he signed the contract on. From the news it looks like, Jose has only the CL clause.

Yeah, I think he was around ~10m a year.

 

[dove]

First of all, he has 18 months left on his salary, not 12. Also because he is the one getting sacked, he is entitled to ask for any loyalty bonus that would have been due if he finished the contract.
Personally, I think that 24m is a very conservative figure if his salary is indeed 15m a year.

I don't know and probably no one does but I am pretty sure the standard practice is to pay out 12 months, not the full remaining contract.

 

[buchansleftleg]

Matchstick Man – Tales from the Lowry Hotel

I look out my hotel window and what do I see?

I see the reflection of great man who has won Three titles for Chelsea.

Titles in three leagues and I know that I am right to have ordered the scampi from the room service menu once again!

As always the media have their stories about me…the special one and they make many columns talking about me and my team. As Eggs is eggs I break their shells in every press conference with my explanations of what failures I inherited and how to make it better by spending more.

Some fools have said I should work with what I have; but was Michelangelo asked to work with Johnstones paint and a wallpaper brush? NO! I shall speak with the team on Tuesday after they have done their running around and will explain to them my golden rules of football once again.

1. The team that scores will have just received the ball, so let them have it all the time
   
   
2. I demand heart, passion and no mistakes on the pitch, otherwise I will tell your mama
   
   
3. If we absolutely must have to keep the ball, smash it up to Fellaini
   
   
4. Scoring goals is easy. Just pass it to the striker guy
   
   
5. I’ve won many things so You must be wrong
   

No the media is like my Scampi – overpriced and a little greasy, but better than going out into town and meeting other people.

These pundits say I have lost my team and the fans but they are specialists in dementia. They have forgotten more than I know. Many of our fans are leaving their seats early in games, honouring me and how I shake hands and leave a game when we are winning. They respect me so much they do it when we are drawing against Southampton!

As I drink another glass of Mateus Rose I realise that some football club owners are like a good hotel manager and others should not run a B&B in your Blackpools!

A good Hotel manager knows when to close the door and when to let a young Toby sneak upto your room for a tete-a-tete about zonal marking! But a bad hotel manager is all about the big sign outside – “All rooms with TV” but when you get into the room - only 7 freeview channels and no “special–one-on-one time” movie channel!

I know the fans support me – many of them last night were repeating my gesture to the Juventus fans! They showed me fingers in support! Some though not be aware of how many titles! I must remind people of that again sometimes!

Ah well – Next stop Paris – what are good hotel there?

J M

 

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[ash_86]

£24m to pay off Jose and £40m to buy out Potch. That's £64m off our next summer spending. Anyone else thinks Ed will go for the freebee manager in Conte?

 

[Adisa]

I don't know and probably no one does but I am pretty sure the standard practice is to pay out 12 months, not the full remaining contract.

These things are negotiated but he's within his right to ask for the full payout. If they can't come to an agreement, Man Utd would have to pay him his weekly wages for the rest of the contract unless he finds a new club.

 

[el3mel]

£24m to pay off Jose and £40m to buy out Potch. That's £64m off our next summer spending. Anyone else thinks Ed will go for the freebee manager in Conte?

We're not getting Poch. Ed only moves for out of contract managers. Our next manager will be 1 of 3 : Zidane, Jardim or Conte.

Steve Bruce is available too.

 

[Z1L3]

But we won bunch of 2nd and 3rd tier trophies, we never challenged for the big ones under Mourinho, CL and EPL is as far as it has been under Moyes and LVG. For example people don't even count Community Shield as a trophy, whilst top teams usually send their youth and fringe players in Carabao Cup, they deem it irrelevant pretty much. That same Europa league Mourinho was laughing Benitez off for, not to mention the opposition we faced there and we barely managed to scrape a win.

Our football is dire, we got not identity, no direction, our players look lost and they're regressing manager is in his full 3rd season meltdown.

Now that's an interesting point you're trying to make, but it's only so because our players have been stagnating at best under Mourinho, but in reality they're regressing and that's why you can make an argument (even though I disagree) that based on form they can't enter any top teams, but back when Mourinho was appointed and especially after his first transfer window, it was a concensus only City had sightly better squad than us, and that's by the slimmest of margins. But hey after almost 3 years of negative football and regressing it's normal our players look poor.

Who is regressing? They're playing at the same levels as before, if not better. Once again you are basing your opinion on the assumption that the players are better than they are. This is the 3rd manager with these players, and let's not forget all the deadwood that was already sold. Are you seriously making an argument that Pep would be breaking EPL records, or that Liverpool would be challenging for the title with the squad Jose inherited?

Look, at this point nobody can argue that things are good, because they're not. My point is that the manager(s) are not the only ones at fault; not even close. In Mourinho's case, why do you give a manager a contract extension, and then you don't let him build the team the way he wants? He's done it so many times before. Yes, people will say money was spent and players were brought in; but everybody is spending money, and the players that were brought were needed to fill the gaps in the squad, while the likes of City were buying second and third options for those positions and still outspending United.

Jose should leave because unfortunately the marriage is (probably) already damaged beyond repair, but to blame him for telling the uncomfortable truth is not right. Hopefully the second half of the season brings better results and a trophy.

 

[Minimalist]

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Expect him to be banned in due time.

 

[ash_86]

We're not getting Poch. Ed only moves for out of contract managers. Our next manager will be 1 of 3 : Zidane, Jardim or Conte.

Steve Bruce is available too.

Jardim was in Saudi a while and refused to sign for the club there. Last minute tip maybe?

 

[el3mel]

Jardim was in Saudi a while and refused to sign for the club there. Last minute tip maybe?

Let's hope!

 

[Hedgehog72]

We were played off the field once again, and its beyond a joke how bad we are now. Whatever players, formation or tactics he tries, or whoever he drops, it makes no difference.

Only one or two players showed any desire yesterday and against Liverpool at Anfield is totally unacceptable. Its clear that Jose will never get anything close to the best out of these players.

Its a disgrace how we are being run from the top down. This season is clearly a write off now, so we should get rid of him, get a caretaker in who can at least get this shambles of team to play with a little pride and desire. Enough is enough.

 

[Ish]

Who is regressing? They're playing at the same levels as before, if not better. Once again you are basing your opinion on the assumption that the players are better than they are. This is the 3rd manager with these players, and let's not forget all the deadwood that was already sold. Are you seriously making an argument that Pep would be breaking EPL records, or that Liverpool would be challenging for the title with the squad Jose inherited?

Look, at this point nobody can argue that things are good, because they're not. My point is that the manager(s) are not the only ones at fault; not even close. In Mourinho's case, why do you give a manager a contract extension, and then you don't let him build the team the way he wants? He's done it so many times before. Yes, people will say money was spent and players were brought in; but everybody is spending money, and the players that were brought were needed to fill the gaps in the squad, while the likes of City were buying second and third options for those positions and still outspending United.

Jose should leave because unfortunately the marriage is (probably) already damaged beyond repair, but to blame him for telling the uncomfortable truth is not right. Hopefully the second half of the season brings better results and a trophy.

Jose must go because he has done a poor job/underperformed.

Not one person on here thinks he is the only problem at the club.

 

[Greck]

Who is regressing? They're playing at the same levels as before, if not better. Once again you are basing your opinion on the assumption that the players are better than they are. This is the 3rd manager with these players, and let's not forget all the deadwood that was already sold. Are you seriously making an argument that Pep would be breaking EPL records, or that Liverpool would be challenging for the title with the squad Jose inherited?

Look, at this point nobody can argue that things are good, because they're not. My point is that the manager(s) are not the only ones at fault; not even close. In Mourinho's case, why do you give a manager a contract extension, and then you don't let him build the team the way he wants? He's done it so many times before. Yes, people will say money was spent and players were brought in; but everybody is spending money, and the players that were brought were needed to fill the gaps in the squad, while the likes of City were buying second and third options for those positions and still outspending United.

Jose should leave because unfortunately the marriage is (probably) already damaged beyond repair, but to blame him for telling the uncomfortable truth is not right. Hopefully the second half of the season brings better results and a trophy.

Myth #1466 Most of these players weren't here under LVG or Moyes. The ones that remain are either here because Jose wants them or because the players he signed to replace them ended up worse in quality

 

[JPRouve]

I don't know and probably no one does but I am pretty sure the standard practice is to pay out 12 months, not the full remaining contract.

In football contracts are fully guaranteed. Only a settlement or clauses will allow us to not pay the at least 22m that we owe him. Generally managers aren't sacked, they leave with the infamous mutual agreement but if the manager doesn't want to agree you are stuck.

 

[PlayerOne]

£24m to pay off Jose and £40m to buy out Potch. That's £64m off our next summer spending. Anyone else thinks Ed will go for the freebee manager in Conte?

I have a feeling they're going to use Jose as an excuse to sell Pogba and get some of that money back. Sacking the manager, bringing a new one is going be very expensive like you said. The new manager will want to go on a shopping spree too and without CL next season we're going to sell someone.

 

[Robbie Boy]

There are more then few, they are just faking it.

True tbf. A good few of his acolytes were starting to critisise him but reverted to type after a magnificent win against the team bottom of the table.

 

[lsd]

Jardim was in Saudi a while and refused to sign for the club there. Last minute tip maybe?

Conte refused to sign for Roma

 

[ZlatMan]

£24m to sack him now or £18m in March. Why are we waiting exactly?

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In Woodward's mind, saving 6m pounds is better than losing 50-60m in potential Champions League income?

ALL HAIL CHAIRMAN WOODWARD!!!

 

[bond19821982]

£24m to pay off Jose and £40m to buy out Potch. That's £64m off our next summer spending. Anyone else thinks Ed will go for the freebee manager in Conte?

Where did you get this 40m from ? I thought we can agree a fee with Spurs if Poch wants to move. It doesn't have to be the full buy out amount .

 

[SATA]

Jardim if we can't get Poch. I just want to see the players express themselves and enjoy their football again, which i am certain Jardim will allow them a system to do so

 

[Sandikan]

In football contracts are fully guaranteed. Only a settlement or clauses will allow us to not pay the at least 22m that we owe him. Generally managers aren't sacked, they leave with the infamous mutual agreement but if the manager doesn't want to agree you are stuck.

That's not true. Do you really think moyes got over 5 years severance? Or that we,d have ever offered a 6year deal if we were stuck with paying it?

 

[lsd]

In football contracts are fully guaranteed. Only a settlement or clauses will allow us to not pay the at least 22m that we owe him. Generally managers aren't sacked, they leave with the infamous mutual agreement but if the manager doesn't want to agree you are stuck.

Jose will go by mutual agreement . The longer he stays here he is ruining his own reputation and chance of a similar job in the future .

I wouldn't be surprised his agent and Ed haven't already been speaking about his pay off

 

[Cloud7]

Myth #1466 Most of these players weren't here under LVG or Moyes. The ones that remain are either here because Jose wants them or because the players he signed to replace them ended up worse in quality

I’ve pointed this out far too many times to still have the energy to do it. “This bunch of players have failed three managers”

The core of each team has been so different FFS. Moyes team was the remnants of the last Fergie team plus mata and Felliani. Vangle’s United was the Schmidfield, ADM/Memphis, Rooney, Martial and Rashy (who were quite good) etc. Mourinho’s team has been Pogs, Ibra, Matic, Lukaku, Iceman, Bailly etc.

There have been a few constants, like Smalling, Young, Valencia, but the managers have seen fit to either not replace or replace them poorly, and that’s on the managers head. The rest like Herrera, Jones etc have been in and out of the team. The core of each team has been so different I don’t understand how so many people keep repeating this garbage like it’s a fact.