The murder of Sarah Everard | Couzens sentenced to a whole-life order

[macheda14]

Think I've said this a few times on here over the past year but stuff like this is just making me feel as detached from the left as I do from the right. THe left seems to have descended into daft angry hypocrasy.

Firstly, at the risk of sounding controversial, I've seen a LOT of posts on social media along the lines of "men you need to sort yourself out", "why isn't there a curfew on men being allowed out", "Just because you don't do it doesn't mean you aren't to blame"....Blaming "men" for the fact a man murdered a woman or even for the fact sexual assault is obviously a big problem, is the same logic as blaming "Muslims" for the fact terrorism exists or saying "black people need to sort themselves out" if there's a stabbing involving a black person. It's ignorant and stupid and extremely counter productive, and also obviously incorrect. The idea of protesting or arguing a cause is to unite people behind it to bring about change. You don't unite people to your cause by immediately tarring all of them as the enemy. That's what a villain in a comic book does. When did supposedly intelligent people start defaulting to this line of reasoning so easily? It seems to happen every time there is something to be outraged about.

It’s not really the same. Blaming men is blaming a societal issue. Its saying that, even though a huge number of men are fine the issues are pervasive enough that even the ‘fine’ ones can be scary. Every woman I’ve spoken to over the past week has said that no matter who it is at night, when they’re by themselves every man is a bit scary. That every day they will get at least one instance that makes them uncomfortable, be it a comment or someone staring etc. You’re pretty much just making the ‘not all men’ argument. It isn’t all men but it’s more than enough of them.

People protest in absolutes, they exaggerate for effect, no ones going to chant ‘men are scary, well actually not all men, some men. I mean a good fair few men are. Not you though, don’t think this is aimed at you. But maybe you should change some habits, or call out your friends. Yet there are some really awful men out there.’

 

[Eyepopper]

The risks of Covid infection are much smaller outdoors. If everyone wears a mask they should be able to protest safely with the cooperation of the police.

I'm lucky enough to live in rural Ireland. The county I live in had a very low incidence rate of Covid up to Xmas. Then, about 15 miles from my front door, a well known farmer died.

About 100 people decided to ignore restrictions, and think they were entitled to attend his funeral. Within 2 weeks the whole county went from 15-16 cases per day to hundreds. 3 people (that I know of directly) were dead within 3 weeks.

In the last 2 weeks cases, in the county i live in have gotten close to where they were beforehand.

Meanwhile, my kids haven't seen their grandparents in 3 months.

 

[Ludens the Red]

The risks of Covid infection are much smaller outdoors. If everyone wears a mask they should be able to protest safely with the cooperation of the police.

I personally think these protests are important and should to be allowed. It's not just about grieving for Sarah, it's about showing solidarity for all women and striving towards a society where sexual assault is not something all women live in fear of. They are having similar protests in Australia right now after a cabinet member was accused of rape.

It's a murky subject though and I don't know if I'm right or wrong. Who gets to decide what protest is valid or not? To me the vaccine protests are ridiculous but for those people it's an important topic.

Firstly. I think we can all agree that the anti vaccine and lockdown protests were completely ridiculous.

Secondly I’ll start by saying I take sexual offences very seriously (it’s my field)
I get what you’re saying in regards to this but it is very different to protesting things like racism, sexism, equal rights etc. Those things tend to be institutional, structured into society. There’s lots of grey area. People and society can be coached out of racism.

With sex offences it’s very different. It’s an absolute.
But if you’re asking for a society without the risk of being sexually assaulted on any given night as a woman or being abused by a partner I don’t know if that can be achieved. It would be like expecting a society without murder, without robbery, burglary etc. I don’t know how you can stop psychopaths and sociopaths from not doing these things.

However what can be altered is how these offences are investigated and dealt with and the sentences that come with it. Most of these offenders don’t strike once and call it a day. They’re repeat offenders, and really they need to be caught sooner to reduce their number of victims.

Women need to feel confidence in the justice system to know they can come
forward and unfortunately they don’t. Can the courts, prosecution and police do a better job? 100%. The police in particular were an absolute abomination in this field for decades.

Can they do a MUCH better job without government backing? Not a chance.
And that’s where the focus should be. Force the government into pushing more finance and resources into the prosecution service, into specialist female support units and police investigating units. Put more laws in place that protect victims from offenders.

From what it looks like to me though, none of these things are even being looked at or mentioned during these protests.
I completely understand the demand for men to call out inappropriate behaviour from mates. This is easily done but the change it’ll make won’t be anywhere near significant enough, itll make men more polite at most.

And I know it looks like the police got it wrong last night in Clapham and the suspect in this case being an officer adds to the distrust but honestly if this protest is going to continue along the lines of large amounts of people standing outside Downing Street shouting “no justice no peace feck the police”. Then we’ve got a very long way to go to change things.

The government and mps can’t be allowed a pass again. I noticed that resident bell-end Jeremy Corbyn posted on Twitter yesterday that he wouldn’t be supporting the new protest regulations as “the last thing police need is more power”. Not six months ago this transparent cock was talking about police getting more powers to deal with racist incidents. And this is the shit to expect. Political game playing, playing sides against each other. They’ll all come out with their “tougher sentences” bs but don’t hold your breath on any of them talking or doing anything about a structural change.

 

[shaky]

Think I've said this a few times on here over the past year but stuff like this is just making me feel as detached from the left as I do from the right. THe left seems to have descended into daft angry hypocrasy.

Firstly, at the risk of sounding controversial, I've seen a LOT of posts on social media along the lines of "men you need to sort yourself out", "why isn't there a curfew on men being allowed out", "Just because you don't do it doesn't mean you aren't to blame"....Blaming "men" for the fact a man murdered a woman or even for the fact sexual assault is obviously a big problem, is the same logic as blaming "Muslims" for the fact terrorism exists or saying "black people need to sort themselves out" if there's a stabbing involving a black person. It's ignorant and stupid and extremely counter productive, and also obviously incorrect. The idea of protesting or arguing a cause is to unite people behind it to bring about change. You don't unite people to your cause by immediately tarring all of them as the enemy. That's what a villain in a comic book does. When did supposedly intelligent people start defaulting to this line of reasoning so easily? It seems to happen every time there is something to be outraged about.

I'm not saying women suffering from sexual assault or idiotic behaviour from men isn't a big problem, because it is. I've witnessed it enough times and I'm not even a woman...but that's why its important to come up with productive ways of uniting people to want to do something about it. I don't feel inspired to do something about anything if I baselessly get accused of being one of the people causing the problem. Its just going to make me defensive and think the person accusing me must be an idiot, and even if I did want to help it would be very difficult for me to when I've already been branded as the problem rather than a potential part of the solution.

Secondly, all these protests. I'm all for protesting and protecting our right to protest, but there is a worldwide pandemic going on. Pandemics aren't political, they just kill people. So, I'm not saying no one should protest, but you'd think there'd have to be a pretty compelling reason to justify a protest. Something like children being at risk of starving to death, or innocent people being at risk of dying because the government wont properly fund the health service or listen to their own scientists, would be examples of current, actually important issues. Over the past year we've had protests about statues, protests about people protesting about statues, protests about being allowed to protest, people burying themselves in a tunnel under a train line because they don't like trains, protests about men being nasty, protests about police being nasty. There was even an anti-France protest outside my work. I mean I can't see my own family but I could go march about with thousands of people if I decided I don't like the shape of a toblerone bar or something. Give over and get some perspective surely? What positives have any of these protests brought about? The main thing they've done is allowed the government to pass legislation and propose more legislation that will make it easier for the police to whack you over the head with sticks the next time you go to a protest. We'll end up with riots over something trivial unless one side of the fence starts acting with a bit of sense.

I agree with every word. The world seems to have lost its common sense over the past decade or so.

 

[Dante]

I blame the mothers.

 

[Interval]

How can people be okay with the protests that took place on the aftermath of George Floyd's death but be indignant about anything after this?

This is not sarcastic. Genuinely asking because I see so many people here pissed over the protests + pandemic even though Floyd protests were universally supported.

 

[oates]

How can people be okay with the protests that took place on the aftermath of George Floyd's death but be indignant about anything after this?

This is not sarcastic. Genuinely asking because I see so many people here pissed over the protests + pandemic even though Floyd protests were universally supported.

Was the US under Lockdown Restrictions between the 26th May and the 2nd June? Was Donald still suggesting bleach at this time.

Not sure what that has to do with anything however we've had more or less another ten months since George Floyd's death and more time to have come under stricter restrictions ourselves as well as more time to lose friends and relatives and not be able to mark their deaths at funerals and memorials. Does that have anything to do with why some, including myself wonder whether people have their priorities straight and how essential these 'vigils' actually are.

What's happened is that peaceful people have wanted to attend the vigils, the one in London hijacked to some extent. I mean who takes megaphones and wears 'Feck the Police' etc T-Shirts to a peaceful vigil, but all that aside the Police officers on hand haven't taken it upon themselves to break up what had become a demonstration and people like Preti Patel, the Prime Minister and Cressida Dicks should have that shit bucket firmly in their hands.

So back to George Floyd protests, personally where I live the restrictions have varied, to a certain extent I've felt that apart from the US not being my country, not my circus, I haven't been totally prescient enough to predict the length and pratfalls our governments and their citizens would endeavour to take to feck so many things up.

I'm sure many others will have their own perspectives, your question has been asked before, I've not noticed any others taking it on, maybe they didn't feel that it related.

 

[unchanged_lineup]

It may have been insensitive but I find a bit strange that she'd go viral and have an official account on a back an arrest. Also, tweeting to people not attend the protests is a bit daft now that she'd already been there and protested herself and it snowballed from there. It's just strange to me.

Also, completely horrible what happened to Sarah, of course.

I think this was so as not to get fined £10k. You can see lots of people responding to her tweet about not going saying things along the lines of, "Ok, can you tell me the exact time you're not protesting wink wink".

 

[F-Red]

Probably a big overlap between those and the people that don’t think this vigil was necessary etc.

Vigil or protest?

 

[Hammerfell]

Locker room talk.

Christ on a bike.

From a mod too.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

How can people be okay with the protests that took place on the aftermath of George Floyd's death but be indignant about anything after this?

This is not sarcastic. Genuinely asking because I see so many people here pissed over the protests + pandemic even though Floyd protests were universally supported.

The big difference to me were that the BLM protests were actual protests. People expressing their unhappiness with the state. That’s always been a legitimate reason to take to the streets, whether or not that breaks the rules set by the state.

Gathering in crowds to mourn the death of a stranger is different. Even more so when the parents of that stranger have specifically asked you not to.

 

[oates]

From a mod too.

Shocking.

 

[Pexbo]

The big difference to me were that the BLM protests were actual protests. People expressing their unhappiness with the state. That’s always been a legitimate reason to take to the streets, whether or not that breaks the rules set by the state.

Gathering in crowds to mourn the death of a stranger is different. Even more so when the parents of that stranger have specifically asked you not to.

It was a protest in every sense of the word, only it was sponsored by John Lewis and organised by the marketing team who do their Christmas adverts.

 

[TrustInOle]

The big difference to me were that the BLM protests were actual protests. People expressing their unhappiness with the state. That’s always been a legitimate reason to take to the streets, whether or not that breaks the rules set by the state.

Gathering in crowds to mourn the death of a stranger is different. Even more so when the parents of that stranger have specifically asked you not to.

The worst part about the aftermath of this. Her death will be forever linked to the stupidity that followed with no concern to how it affects the family.

 

[Zlatan 7]

I'm lucky enough to live in rural Ireland. The county I live in had a very low incidence rate of Covid up to Xmas. Then, about 15 miles from my front door, a well known farmer died.

About 100 people decided to ignore restrictions, and think they were entitled to attend his funeral. Within 2 weeks the whole county went from 15-16 cases per day to hundreds. 3 people (that I know of directly) were dead within 3 weeks.

In the last 2 weeks cases, in the county i live in have gotten close to where they were beforehand.

Meanwhile, my kids haven't seen their grandparents in 3 months.

Bang on. Can’t belive wxcuses are being made like Covid isn’t bad outdoors, well that’s not what my kids think who havnt seen family or friends for a year and been set back a year in all of their development, the family who haven’t been able to be with loved ones even outside.

protests though yeah great, Covid don’t touch those

 

[K Stand Knut]

Yup, they spend a whole day in your training warning you of your conduct on social media, in particular what you post in watsapp groups with colleagues. If you’re in a watsapp group where something inappropriate is shared (not even by you) and you don’t say anything you get suspended and likely fired unless you can prove you didn’t see it. So there’s very little tolerance.
We had those very public cases last year too with the sisters. Honestly you’d have to be one hell of a massive moron to still be doing this.

this simply is not true!!!

 

[Pogue Mahone]

this simply is not true!!!

Explain this case then?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...-loses-appeal-over-child-abuse-video-on-phone

 

[K Stand Knut]

Explain this case then?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...-loses-appeal-over-child-abuse-video-on-phone

Committing a criminal offence and having an ‘inappropriate’ image sent to you on a mobile phone are two very different things though.

I’m not saying some action wouldn’t be taken but a blanket comment that you’re likely to be fired even if you haven’t viewed it isn’t true.

Unless you reject all incoming media such as videos and photographs, you automatically commit the crime by receiving it in the first place.

In the above case, it sounds like she knew about it but didn’t do anything about it. If she’d have done her job, I seriously doubt that she’d have been prosecuted. As horrible as that sounds on her own sister.

 

[That'sHernandez]

Explain this case then?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...-loses-appeal-over-child-abuse-video-on-phone

I'm not sure this applies here as it is in relation to indecent images of children, where the law on possession is very strict and very clear. The same ruling would probably have been made were she not an ex-serving officer. It does seem somewhat unfair, given the circumstances.

 

[Tarrou]

Bang on. Can’t belive wxcuses are being made like Covid isn’t bad outdoors, well that’s not what my kids think who havnt seen family or friends for a year and been set back a year in all of their development, the family who haven’t been able to be with loved ones even outside.

protests though yeah great, Covid don’t touch those

No I said it isn't as bad outdoors, which is a scientific fact. And I wasn't making excuses for the protest, I said I believed it should be allowed with cooperation from the police.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Committing a criminal offence and having an ‘inappropriate’ image sent to you on a mobile phone are two very different things though.

I’m not saying some action wouldn’t be taken but a blanket comment that you’re likely to be fired even if you haven’t viewed it isn’t true.

Unless you reject all incoming media such as videos and photographs, you automatically commit the crime by receiving it in the first place.

In the above case, it sounds like she knew about it but didn’t do anything about it. If she’d have done her job, I seriously doubt that she’d have been prosecuted. As horrible as that sounds on her own sister.

Maybe you misread his post? He said that if you can’t prove you didn’t see the image and don’t report it you can get fired.

The issue in this case seems to have been around her inability to prove she didn’t see the video. She could prove she never watched it but the prosecution argued that the content was obvious from the thumbnail.

 

[K Stand Knut]

Maybe you misread his post? He said that if you can’t prove you didn’t see the image and don’t report it you can get fired.

The issue in this case seems to have been around her inability to prove she didn’t see the video. She could prove she never watched it but the prosecution argued that the content was obvious from the thumbnail.

this is my point. She will 100% have seen it because it’s a message from her sister. Not sure how you’d prove you didn’t look at it.

I would happily bet that if she saw it and highlighted it to the Police immediately, she probably wouldn’t have been prosecuted but she’d have thrown her sister under the bus.

And I did read his post, I could write several newspaper articles of officers who have been dealt with for ‘inappropriate’ things sent by WhatsApp. They are all still in a job, never got suspended and were never likely to get fired.

The difference?? Inappropriate and illegal.

***Anyway, not happy to be derailing the thread away from the topic it is meant to be discussing so I’ll leave it there.Happy to talk via DM if you feel the need***

 

[Ludens the Red]

Committing a criminal offence and having an ‘inappropriate’ image sent to you on a mobile phone are two very different things though.

I’m not saying some action wouldn’t be taken but a blanket comment that you’re likely to be fired even if you haven’t viewed it isn’t true.

Unless you reject all incoming media such as videos and photographs, you automatically commit the crime by receiving it in the first place.

In the above case, it sounds like she knew about it but didn’t do anything about it. If she’d have done her job, I seriously doubt that she’d have been prosecuted. As horrible as that sounds on her own sister.

Probably best to not make blanket statements such as “this is simply not true” with things you’re not completely familiar with.
You’re literally arguing against matter of facts in this case. It’s like arguing against Liverpool winning the league last season and saying it didn’t happen.

 

[K Stand Knut]

Probably best to not make blanket statements such as “this is simply not true” with things you’re not completely familiar with.
You’re literally arguing against matter of facts in this case. It’s like arguing against Liverpool winning the league last season and saying it didn’t happen.

But I’m not arguing against ‘matter of facts’?? I am not arguing at all frankly.

I know from personal experience that police officers are not likely to get sacked for inappropriate media being sent to them.

each case will obviously be different but I know a lot more officers who have been dealt with for such media and are still in the job than I do officers who have been dealt with for the same thing snd been sacked, or even disciplined

 

[Ludens the Red]

But I’m not arguing against ‘matter of facts’?? I am not arguing at all frankly.

I know from personal experience that police officers are not likely to get sacked for inappropriate media being sent to them.

each case will obviously be different but I know a lot more officers who have been dealt with for such media and are still in the job than I do officers who have been dealt with for the same thing snd been sacked, or even disciplined

I obviously meant inappropriate along the lines of what happened with this case and the sisters last year. So police related material. Obviously I don’t mean inappropriate in general terms. Come on.
It’s inappropriate to send a penis pic to a colleague. Obviously as a receiver of such a pic if you were an officer you would not be suspended.

 

[Conor]

How can people be okay with the protests that took place on the aftermath of George Floyd's death but be indignant about anything after this?

This is not sarcastic. Genuinely asking because I see so many people here pissed over the protests + pandemic even though Floyd protests were universally supported.

Do you genuinely not see the difference between the 2?

 

[sullydnl]

Surely this opens up a whole new can of worms, like should people like Frankie Boyle and Jimmy Carr be allowed to earn a living in the manner they do? Should shows like Always Sunny In Philadelphia and American Dad be allowed on telly?

Context matters. The likes of Frankie Boyle and Jimmy Carr are going on stage in front of a huge audience of men & women and saying things that people know not to take at face value as everyone can see it's part of a performance. And even then they regularly receive criticism and rely on their skills as performers to tread that line. But ultimately everything they say is under the full glare of public spotlight, to be dissected and judged by a mainstream audience and critics of the art form. Similarly sitcoms realise there's a need to separate the abhorrent things characters say with the intentions of the writers, as a show like Always Sunny does by making it clear that the character's opinions are to be mocked rather than agreed with. All of which is again done under full public scrutiny and as part of a performance.

I don't think that's the same as some creep having "locker room banter" as in that case it isn't part of a performance and the comments absolutely aren't being presented for public scrutiny, as the speaker knows what they're saying wouldn't be deemed acceptable if it was and would reflect directly on them. Also a lot of the time (as with Trump's comments, for example) there isn't actually a constructed joke at the centre of the "banter". It's just saying unpleasant shit about women they want to avoid being judged on.

That shouldn't be judged in the same light as professional comedians performing on stage, I think. In much the same way that someone telling people in private that they've assaulted someone wouldn't be viewed in the same light as Johnny Cash singing about shooting a man in Reno to watch him die.

 

[Synco]

The big difference to me were that the BLM protests were actual protests. People expressing their unhappiness with the state. That’s always been a legitimate reason to take to the streets, whether or not that breaks the rules set by the state.

Gathering in crowds to mourn the death of a stranger is different. Even more so when the parents of that stranger have specifically asked you not to.

Protests against the staggering amounts of violence against women are as legitimate and necessary as the Black Lives Matter protests. The problem is just as much a grave societal issue that threatens countless people every day.

Sarah Everard's murder has become a symbol of that reality. That's why people mourn or protest "the death of a stranger". What happened to her could have happened, in some variation, to every woman. If you have read earlier stages of the thread, you should be well aware of the extent in which so many women are painfully aware of that. Look at the app that's promoted above your type section.

People seeing themselves in Sarah Everard is no different from people seeing themselves in Breanna Taylor or George Floyd. Either because they're directly threatened in the same way, or because they feel solidarity with those who are. This is so simple and obvious to me that I find it remarkable (though not surprising) how badly some in here miss the mark, and how contemptuous some of the retorts are.

 

[The Corinthian]

Police humour can be very dark too. But it should stay in the locker room or the pub, not be put where it can be seen like this.

It was in a private whatsapp group but I think coppers are governed by different rules so it wasn't allowed. Makes you wonder if @TheReligion could get slotted for some of the shite he posts here

Have you been in a locker room in the last 10-15 years?

The world's moved on.

 

[Grinner]

Have you been in a locker room in the last 10-15 years?

The world's moved on.

Not really if you look at some of the more lurid stories about what footballers have gotten up to. Then there is the recent sexual assault initiation ritual that happened in the RAF.

 

[MU655]

Protests against the staggering amounts of violence against women are as legitimate and necessary as the Black Lives Matter protests. The problem is just as much a grave societal issue that threatens countless people every day.

Sarah Everard's murder has become a symbol of that reality. That's why people mourn or protest "the death of a stranger". What happened to her could have happened, in some variation, to every woman. If you have read earlier stages of the thread, you should be well aware of the extent in which so many women are painfully aware of that. Look at the app that's promoted above your type section.

People seeing themselves in Sarah Everard is no different from people seeing themselves in Breanna Taylor or George Floyd. Either because they're directly threatened in the same way, or because they feel solidarity with those who are. This is so simple and obvious to me that I find it remarkable (though not surprising) how badly some in here miss the mark, and how contemptuous some of the retorts are.

Or every man. Men are at far more at risk of being attacked by strangers on the street than women.

Over 60% of homicides had male victims and 73% of all violent crime (according to the BBC) was taken against men. The problem when we look at only women is we are almost completely dismissing the violence done to men.

I still think society has a strong belief that men bring it on themselves or that they are spoiling for a fight. But this not true.

There seems to be a trend to say women are nervous walking the street alone in the dark, but are men any less so if having someone trailing behind them? Everyone knows men do not say they feel nervous as much. They are less likely to report something violent that happened to them, which has been seen by studies.

There was a recent one which said men being abused was a lot higher than people think. They just don't report it because it is seen as a bit of a joke and embarrassing for a man to admit it.

When you start reporting only one part of a problem, people begin to believe that that must be the biggest issue. And that the other part must be small.

 

[Rado_N]

From a mod too.

And zero surprise to see which one.

 

[The Corinthian]

Not really if you look at some of the more lurid stories about what footballers have gotten up to. Then there is the recent sexual assault initiation ritual that happened in the RAF.

I think footballers (re: celebs) are in a class of their own where they think the rules of civility the rest of us live by don't apply to them. Narcissistic behaviour by people in the public eye I don't think will ever change sadly.

The world has moved on though, for the rest of us. Maybe it's because I'm in London, but this type of behaviour in most settings gets called out, and called out early. Whether it's literally in the locker room, workplace, or in day to day public life.

This isn't to say it doesn't happen, but the more effort is made to eradicate this type of behaviour, the better overall.

 

[The Corinthian]

Or every man. Men are at far more at risk of being attacked by strangers on the street than women.

Over 60% of homicides had male victims and 73% of all violent crime (according to the BBC) was taken against men. The problem when we look at only women is we are almost completely dismissing the violence done to men.

I still think society has a strong belief that men bring it on themselves or that they are spoiling for a fight. But this not true.

There seems to be a trend to say women are nervous walking the street alone in the dark, but are men any less so if having someone trailing behind them? Everyone knows men do not say they feel nervous as much. They are less likely to report something violent that happened to them, which has been seen by studies.

There was a recent one which said men being abused was a lot higher than people think. They just don't report it because it is seen as a bit of a joke and embarrassing for a man to admit it.

When you start reporting only one part of a problem, people begin to believe that that must be the biggest issue. And that the other part must be small.

This reads very similar to an All Lives Matter post.

Men are more at risk of being attacked...by other men.

Women are more at risk of being attacked, sexually or otherwise,...by other men.

The conversation is to eradicate this behaviour in men, subsequently meaning that women feel safer in the public when alone.

 

[Ish]

What’s the latest on the actual murder case/investigation?

 

[F-Red]

What’s the latest on the actual murder case/investigation?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56404030

 

[esmufc07]

What’s the latest on the actual murder case/investigation?

Standing trial in October.

 

[SalfordRed18]

From a mod too.

He should not be a mod if that's his genuine opinion.

Not really if you look at some of the more lurid stories about what footballers have gotten up to. Then there is the recent sexual assault initiation ritual that happened in the RAF.

You've not answered my question, do you yourself still partake in "locker room chat" in 2021?

 

[Grinner]

What’s the latest on the actual murder case/investigation?

The Met police look to have solved the case within 6 days of the woman's reported disappearance. I think that fact has got lost in this whole furore. It will be interesting to see just what role the alleged murderers partner had in the whole affair.

 

[Grinner]

He should not be a mod if that's his genuine opinion.


You've not answered my question, do you yourself still partake in "locker room chat" in 2021?

What do you consider to be locker room chat?