Neigh.Neil_Buchanan said:
Terrific squad player, not quite good enought to hold down a regular starting place at United.
The Next Ryan Giggs?
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Terrific squad player, not quite good enought to hold down a regular starting place at United.
Thanks for that input.Escobar said:
How's he been this season? Any rumours about him leaving this summer? What do you reckon he would cost?
He's got Arsenal written all over him though.
Ribery is crap and vastly overrated.
Imo the one winger that could come close to replacing Giggs is Robben.But I know he is a cnut and Chelsea will never sell him.
Imo the one winger that could come close to replacing Giggs is Robben.But I know he is a cnut and Chelsea will never sell him.
Have you seen Ribery for Marseille? I haven't. He was good for France in the WC, that's all I know. And that he's ugly.amit_onlymanutd said:
Robben, yeah, wouldn't that be something. Won't happen mind.
has noone mentioned ricardo quaresema??
imagine the 2 of them in the same team like they used to be at sporting
imagine the 2 of them in the same team like they used to be at sporting
Yes I have seen him quite a few times for Marseille .He is really over-rated. I would buy Lennon rather than Ribery. Imo Ribery is not much better than Malouda .Floyd said:
There is only one Ryan Giggs and that shall forever be the case. We are never ever going to find the next Giggs, there are however, very good players who are able to play his position.
the next Ryan Giggs is Cristiano Ronaldo.
Ribery is over-rated, too lightweight to survive in the premiership and a bit of a nutter.He is however, better than Malouda as an attacking player.The only way Spurs will sell Lennon to us will be if the starting bid was £25mil. These portuguese guys Nani and Quaresma seem like more affordable options, I say sign the pair even if for a combined fee of £35mil, they will be a huge hitamit_onlymanutd said:
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Agree. Ronaldo and Nani as wingers for a few years would be fantastic.. Nani and Q both have the potential to be as good as Ronaldo. Nani is only 20 and Quaresma 23 or so.Eto'odinho said:
ronaldo is the new giggs. we dont need another giggs. we need a new Paul Scholes and a new Gary Neville. and a new Ruud. (if we need someone?)Barry Red said:
Thats easy as anything elserrarraroon said:
Er no, top class defenders don't just learn to stop it, down the years theres been many players who are crossers rather then dribblers, it takes more then knowing that to stop them.marcus agrippa said:
This past Monday was an example of a game where Downing would have perfectly suited us, we got the ball to the edge of Boros area and then got bogged down trying to pick holes through a flat back 8, with their defence that deep Downing would have killed them with his crosses.
agreedrrarraroon said:
A Malouda who is already better than Lennon...amit_onlymanutd said:
The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.MrMarcello said:
You can't really argue with this....IMO I'd buy Downing and Nani if it was possible... Just to have real variety on our flanks in addition to having Park and Ronaldo....Mozza said:
But Lennon is only 19 isn't he?Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Quaresma the don!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PupBTymHGI
But him and Ronaldo are so similar i doubt they could ever play in the same team to good effect!! But our team would be a wing backs worst knightmare.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PupBTymHGI
But him and Ronaldo are so similar i doubt they could ever play in the same team to good effect!! But our team would be a wing backs worst knightmare.
i just don't agree with this.Mozza said:
like Ole said a while back, this United team is different: more players with pace and who can easily beat a man. a lot of the time, we don't even have many players in the box to feed off a cross (that's why we got rid of Ruud: he made us to predictable). Rooney drops off, Park may be ghosting in late, and often Saha has contributed to the play and is by definition not even in the area.
in our fullbacks we have very good crossers of the ball (Gary Neville and Heinze particularly). our wingers need not have to be. we don't play like that any more.
you are talking up Downing like he could even come close to Giggsy's class, when he could at best be a squad player. we already have a very decent one in Park.
That was Fergie's dream a while back. I wonder why he abandoned it....Quaresma and Ronaldo on the flanks would have been some combo....still can be if Fergie so desires ever again....Mainoldo said:
Mainoldo said:
Just watched that there and Quaresma seems to cut in an awful lot- like Ronnie when he joined us. Should be looking to get to the line more often to whip crosses in. Having said that i saw him play for Portugal u21 with Ronnie when Ronnie signed for us and Quaresma was by far the better player- pity bout Barcelona.
How often does Downing do that in game?probably once every equinox. We don't need players who are good crossers of the ball, we need more players who can drive and stretch the opposition with pace and a sense of purpose.Mozza said:
But he doesn't look like he will be better than SWP in the future tbh.He just gets more games. Ribery however is already way better than that and is only 23. And a key player for Les Bleuamit_onlymanutd said:
Having no one in the box to recive a cross if theres someone in a crossing position is a bad thing, one of the reasons why I think Huntelaar would be more effective for our team then another player who does anything but.marcus agrippa said:
You cant always expect your fullbacks to get up, they didn't get up with any regularity this past monday, even when the whole forward line were camped on the edge of the Boro area.
Absolute rubbish about him being a squad player, as for his potential, its hard to judge just how good a player like Downing could be until he gets to a club like United.
Mozza, i will not argue with you. i haven't the patience of the Rubberman, so i simply won't.
Downing will never be a United player, or SAF would have gone for him instead of Park. and thank the gods for that!
Downing will never be a United player, or SAF would have gone for him instead of Park. and thank the gods for that!
Every single gameEto'odinho said:
Why do we need more players to stretch the opposition around when we have Rooney and Ronaldo?
Having a sense of purpose would see us include a couple of players focused on taking advantage of Rooney and Ronaldo's work and get the ball in back of net, Downing is at his most dangerous when the opposition have been pushed back into their own area, a striker like Huntelaar would feed off that
Eto'odinho said:
I disagree i've always rated Downing- i remember watching a boro match a couple of months back and i watched him in particular. He is very steady on the ball, rarely looses it and gets very wide when recieving the ball. The width he'd afford us would be priceless. In addition he doesnt take too much out of the ball preferring to play keep ball until a clear opportunity to get to the byeline presents itself. Granted he may not be the most charismatic or exciting player but he could be very effective- not to mention his crossing and dead ball skills. A quick David Beckham is the best way to describe him IMO.
Downing would have cost atleast twice as much as Park so its not a simple choice of 1 or the othermarcus agrippa said:
And his performances would have already made the fee worth it.Mozza said:
Nothing against Park but SAF got him as he was reasonably priced and had European experience (unless someone truly believes he was signed to raise the club's Far East profile). If Park had 2-3 years left on his contract, he'd have cost closer to 10m.
Figure Boro would probably want close to 15m for Downing, or a similar price that Spurs got for Carrick. But having two direct attacking wingers in the same mold without any defensive responbility would leave the club open to quick counter attacks. Downing can be groomed to be more defensively aware, being that he's not going to push into central midfield or the box ala Ronaldo (or Quaresma). Of course, if the club has two midfielders like Carrick and Hargreaves sitting deeper, then having two wingers in the Ronaldo mold would make for some interesting attacks. Either way, a player like Downing should excel at United. Especially with Saha, Ronaldo, Vidic and a few others abilities to head on crosses and set pieces. It's not like Ruud was the only player that can get int the box to receive a cross or pass.
I'd much rather have Downing taking corners and long free kicks into the box than our current takers.
There in lies the problem with signing a Downing. We would have to sign a Hunterlaar too. I feel we are better of with the style we have. We just need an upgrade of Saha and another right winger of Ronaldo's calibre....Mozza said:
makes sense thatMrMarcello said:
Who would fill Giggsys boots? No-one said Downing was as good as Giggs anyway.marcus agrippa said:
Vicente would be perfect if you ask me. Messi would be amazing but no way that'll happen. Same with Rosicky. Lennon isn't overrated, but he is overpriced.
Yes thats the kind of striker we need.A Saha type player with much better finishing.Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Rosicky is not even a winger.He is a central midfielder who can play as a winger.Our strength has always been out and out wingers.Joe W said:
And yes Vicente would be absolutely brilliant!
amit_onlymanutd said:
How much would he cost around? 10 - 20 milion?
Feck me, he plays exactly like Ronaldo. Looks like a strong bugger too, like Ronaldo.Mainoldo said:
17-18 mill quids imo.Similar to what Valencia bought Joaquin for i think.Joe W said: