g = window.googletag || {}; googletag.cmd = googletag.cmd || []; window.googletag = googletag; googletag.cmd.push(function() { var interstitialSlot = googletag.defineOutOfPageSlot('/17085479/redcafe_gam_interstitial', googletag.enums.OutOfPageFormat.INTERSTITIAL); if (interstitialSlot) { interstitialSlot.addService(googletag.pubads()); } });

The Rise Of Ruben Amorim

croadyman

Full Member
Joined
Mar 9, 2018
Messages
35,200
He wants total control of transfers+not to work under a sporting director according to the reports coming out of portugal. Really, really limiting his choices if that is indeed true.

Would explain why he went from favourite to out of the picture following his meeting with us and why the same seems to be happening after his interview with Tim steidten at West Ham.

Good luck finding a decent EPL club where you have sole control of transfers.
Yeah INEOS seem to have defined ideas of what they want so he wouldn't get control of transfers here
 

Fallon d'Floor

Full Member
Joined
Jan 30, 2024
Messages
461
Sporting are officially Liga Primeira champions after Benfica lost 2-0 on Sunday.

Amorim's stock continues to rise.

I would have a serious look at him if were INEOS. He's attainable.
 

GuybrushThreepwood

Full Member
Joined
Mar 22, 2019
Messages
1,167
Supports
Blackburn Rovers
I remember 6 years ago when the some fans stormed in to the training ground to attacked players and coaching staff, and then there was an exodus of players that summer with their head coach and president also leaving. I was in Lisbon at the time for work.

Also for a long period, there was only really a big 2 in Portugal, not a big 3, given that Porto and Benfica won every league title between them from 2003-2020. So Amorim has done very well turning it into a genuine big 3 again (during the last 6 years they’ve each won 2 titles apiece). They clearly have a close knit squad, and his 3-4-3 formation with aggressive pressing has been fun to watch.

If they win their final league game of the season against Chaves, I believe they’ll be the first team since Mourinho’s Porto in 2003/2004 to finish with a 100% home record in the Portuguese top flight.
 

LARulz

Full Member
Joined
Dec 21, 2009
Messages
18,224
Started off his victory speech by making a joke saying he has a plane to catch apparently :lol:

I've said it for a while but I'd like the club to take a look at him. I don't see many available alternatives and the current just sticking to Ten Hag is just pointless
 

bakalhau

Full Member
Joined
Oct 6, 2019
Messages
764
I think he's a fantastic coach, having followed him closely here in Portugal. But being a fantastic coach =/= trophies (specially in England).

What he's done with Sporting falls under the "not normal" kind of work, the kind of quality work that I don't think appears every single year in European Leagues. He also did it at the time where the gap between Sporting and Porto/Benfica was the largest it had ever been.

But he'd need free reigns over everything, and he'd need to not be put under the pressure that will naturally come with the fanbase considering he's not a top european coach. I'd consider him if I was INEOS, but I'd need to make sure he can do his own work, and be protected from the pressure in the first 18 months in case results aren't perfect, so... Tough call.
 

AlexiV

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Oct 13, 2020
Messages
167
Supports
FCB
he'd need free reigns over everything, and he'd need to not be put under the pressure that will naturally come with the fanbase considering he's not a top european coach. I'd consider him if I was INEOS, but I'd need to make sure he can do his own work, and be protected from the pressure in the first 18 months in case results aren't perfect, so... Tough call.
If there is one thing the board provides here it is protection against bad results so that wouldnt be problem.
 

#07

makes new threads with tweets in the OP
Joined
Oct 25, 2010
Messages
23,385
 

LilienFan

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Jan 6, 2024
Messages
241
Supports
Darmstadt
In other words, I wanted to leave but no one was interested so now I’ll have to settle on staying at Sporting.
I honestly find that a bit hard to believe given that Bayern Munich is looking at f´n ETH. That Barcelona had to reverse gear on Xavi. United, Juve, maybe Chelsea? Still a few jobs to be sorted out. Maybe Liverpool didn´t like something about him, but I´d say trusting a Dutch coach is much more dangerous. They simply are too stubborn. Super-pressing themselves through the Dutch League might work due to the difference in levels, but that simply does not work in Germany or England. Even that style has it´s naivety limits and guys like Bosz and ETH simply refused to adapt or tweak their style. Let´s see whether Slot is different. Maybe he´s just more comfortable at home, despite the earnings differences.
 

Baxquux

Full Member
Joined
Aug 19, 2022
Messages
1,279
I honestly find that a bit hard to believe given that Bayern Munich is looking at f´n ETH. That Barcelona had to reverse gear on Xavi. United, Juve, maybe Chelsea? Still a few jobs to be sorted out. Maybe Liverpool didn´t like something about him, but I´d say trusting a Dutch coach is much more dangerous. They simply are too stubborn. Super-pressing themselves through the Dutch League might work due to the difference in levels, but that simply does not work in Germany or England. Even that style has it´s naivety limits and guys like Bosz and ETH simply refused to adapt or tweak their style. Let´s see whether Slot is different. Maybe he´s just more comfortable at home, despite the earnings differences.
It's probably the 'control' demands, which pose more of an immediate issue than just 'stubborness' (Slot sems more flexible than ETH anyway). You don't get that 'control' at BM, managers aren't getting it at Liverpool (with Edwards and, particularly, Hughes as SD), and neither, it would seem, is anyone being offered it at United under the new regime, even if ETH is let go. Chelsea have invested heavily in Execs to oversee football - Juve, I'm not sure about, but I think Motta is heavily tipped there if Allegri leaves.
 

GuybrushThreepwood

Full Member
Joined
Mar 22, 2019
Messages
1,167
Supports
Blackburn Rovers
After seeing the photos of Sporting’s players and staff celebrating this title win, I thought that Lisbon definitely looked better decorated in green than red !
 

PepG

Full Member
Joined
Jun 23, 2016
Messages
1,212
Supports
Ajax
Ruben Amorim is in no position to have such a high demands from the clubs that are interested in him. He won two league titles in Portugal ffs..basically he is still a nobody..if Dutch managers are stubborn, portuguese ones are arrogant as feck..
 

bakalhau

Full Member
Joined
Oct 6, 2019
Messages
764
if Dutch managers are stubborn, portuguese ones are arrogant as feck..
I get why you said that, but Ruben is the exact opposite of those coaches you're thinking about. In fact, one of his greatest qualities is just being honest in front of the cameras. If he has made bad decisions during the game, he'll call himself out on it, i.e. He's very straighforward about things - no covering up, no blaming others, etc.
 

mu4c_20le

Full Member
Joined
Jul 7, 2013
Messages
44,698
Heard from West Ham fans that they turned him down because he wanted full control of transfers, aka to do a ten hag. That and sticking to 5 at the back. Not sure how accurate that is, but the issue wasn't money.
 

Redivy

Full Member
Joined
Feb 25, 2023
Messages
211
We were the last big club operating without a designated director of football, there is no way he would expect to move clubs and have free reign over transfers.

Amorim would be my choice for the job.
 

marktan

Full Member
Joined
Aug 28, 2017
Messages
6,992
I like him as a guy, comes across very well. No idea what kind of football he plays or his signing record though.

Would feel bad taking him from Sporting since their fans love him, we've already got Ronaldo, Nani and Bruno from them. Anymore and I feel like we should send them a few players or something for free.
 

Sly

Hang Ten
Scout
Joined
Mar 5, 2013
Messages
12,268
Location
Lisbon
Supports
Sporting Clube Portugal
I like him as a guy, comes across very well. No idea what kind of football he plays or his signing record though.

Would feel bad taking him from Sporting since their fans love him, we've already got Ronaldo, Nani and Bruno from them. Anymore and I feel like we should send them a few players or something for free.
Thank you for this post. It's rare to see in modern football. If he is to leave, I wouldn't mind it's to United. Winning two titles with Sporting is an Herculean task. He certainly won me over. The best Sporting manager I've seen in my lifetime. He and our DoF, former Newcastle United scrub Hugo Viana, have done an incredible job.

Anyways, I think he will stay another year and manage us in the CL. He already said he is staying to try and win two in a row. If we don't sell Gyokeres, with Porto in shambles and Benfica in turmoil, it may happen.
 

Sly

Hang Ten
Scout
Joined
Mar 5, 2013
Messages
12,268
Location
Lisbon
Supports
Sporting Clube Portugal
Heard from West Ham fans that they turned him down because he wanted full control of transfers, aka to do a ten hag. That and sticking to 5 at the back. Not sure how accurate that is, but the issue wasn't money.
He doesn't have transfer control at Sporting and never did. Hugo Viana, our DoF, does that.

I don't doubt the 5 in the back bit though. It's his system.
 

CM

Full Member
Joined
Jul 24, 2014
Messages
7,418
Ruben Amorim is in no position to have such a high demands from the clubs that are interested in him. He won two league titles in Portugal ffs..basically he is still a nobody..if Dutch managers are stubborn, portuguese ones are arrogant as feck..
Why not? If he's happy staying at Sporting, it's his prerogative to ask as much as he wants if another club comes in for him.
 

Ish

Lights on for Luke
Joined
Mar 10, 2010
Messages
32,497
Location
Voted the best city in the world
Thank you for this post. It's rare to see in modern football. If he is to leave, I wouldn't mind it's to United. Winning two titles with Sporting is an Herculean task. He certainly won me over. The best Sporting manager I've seen in my lifetime. He and our DoF, former Newcastle United scrub Hugo Viana, have done an incredible job.

Anyways, I think he will stay another year and manage us in the CL. He already said he is staying to try and win two in a row. If we don't sell Gyokeres, with Porto in shambles and Benfica in turmoil, it may happen.
Viana! :drool: now there’s a blast from the past!
 

André Dominguez

Full Member
Joined
Aug 7, 2017
Messages
6,421
Location
Lisbon
Supports
Benfica, Académica
Viana! :drool: now there’s a blast from the past!
Amazing left foot in terms of vision, passing and set-pieces. Had a bit of bad luck since he was a nº10 and football started to avoid using a nº10 arround the time he made the transition to professional football. But he still managed to adapt and became a quite solid center midfielder during his career.