calodo2003
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How is that in anyway not an accurate, measured assessment of Rashford?Sorry bro for using you as an example, but comments like these are the reason why this thread was started.
How is that in anyway not an accurate, measured assessment of Rashford?Sorry bro for using you as an example, but comments like these are the reason why this thread was started.
And somehow his injuries have played a big part to his poor decision making.I made a similar comment last night . If he plays well the injury disappears but when he’s dithering on the ball , trying to go through a wall of defenders with his head down or just giving away possession he’s injured .
How does this negate valid criticism of any player regardless the team?Interesting to hear from the Rashford critics on here. Which team(s) in the PL do you consider he doesn't get into?
Honestly, and with all due respect, I think you need to get a grip if you have a problem with the quoted comments, particularly the second and third one. I love Rashford, but he can be infuriating at times.Here are some of the comments in the Player Performanc thread after last nights game:
"Absolutely horrific performance"
"Great goal but he was shit tonight"
"His allround game needs polishing if we want to win leagues and champions leagues"
How much longer do we have to put up with these "shitty" comments aimed at a player who gives so much to our football club both on and off the field.
Marcus Rashford is what our club is all about. His performances on the field are unequalled by anyone else in the current squad. He gives 100% in every game. He's probably playing at present through injury.
He's far and away our most dangerous player going forward. He's still only 23 yrs and has carried the club for a good part of his career since he made his debut for the 1st team.
Ffs the lad's already a legend! Law Best Charlton Rashford!
Get a grip!
You will struggle to find anyone who thinks Rashford has played well this season, particularly since the new year. His performances in January and February were especially dismal. And he was really poor again last night. He looks a shadow of his former self. Were it not for Martial turning into a zombie Rashford would have had a lot more criticism, truth be told he's been lucky Martial's collapse has overshadowed his big dip in performance levels from last season.Those days have gone mate for me having idols. A favourite player yes and I've had many over the years. Just having a problem with your use of the word "valid"
Everyone is welcome to have their opinion but “String of really really shit performances” doesn’t sound accurate or measured at all.How is that in anyway not an accurate, measured assessment of Rashford?
Unfortunately fans have lost any semblance of what a "world class" or "generational" talent is. Just the other day someone defined Grealish as "generational" talent. Go figure...I’ll quite happily admit I’m a critic of Rashford and the reason is evident in the OP - some of our fans go way, way overboard in their assessment of his abilities and they need a reality check.
If we kept it sensible then I wouldn’t see the need to argue about whether he is “good”, “very good” or indifferent (we all have our own opinions) but when we’ve got people banging on about him being a “world class talent”, or “as good as Rooney or Ronaldo at the same age” or “a legend...like Best, Charlton and Law” it personally drives me mad.
Man City, Liverpool of last season not this one, but Firmino and Jota are better for Liverpool's system as Rashford occupies the same positions as Mane and Salah and not the former two. Chelsea on paper have attackers as good as Rashford in Havertz, Werner, Pulisic, Ziyech. He also gets in Spurs as the 3rd attacker as Son and Kane are better but no one else is.Interesting to hear from the Rashford critics on here. Which team(s) in the PL do you consider he doesn't get into?
That sounds very accurate when discussing his 2021 performances, that’s the string being discussed. Harsh words don’t make the performances any different.Everyone is welcome to have their opinion but “String of really really shit performances” doesn’t sound accurate or measured at all.
That's not true - his general performances have been quite poor for a series of games. It's down to injury related factors, most likely but it's nonetheless true. Whilst he delivered in that moment, his general play yesterday could have been better too. Of course that moment changed the game, so we shouldn't mark the occasion as one of his poor days.Everyone is welcome to have their opinion but “String of really really shit performances” doesn’t sound accurate or measured at all.
He’s been below his best but most of what you say is quite an exaggeration, to me.You will struggle to find anyone who thinks Rashford has played well this season, particularly since the new year. His performances in January and February were especially dismal. And he was really poor again last night. He looks a shadow of his former self. Were it not for Martial turning into a zombie Rashford would have had a lot more criticism, truth be told he's been lucky Martial's collapse has overshadowed his big dip in performance levels from last season.
All we can do is hope it's mostly, or ideally entirely, down to the pain of his injury and the fact it's probably affecting his confidence of taking hits/being tackled.
I genuinely think it does.And somehow his injuries have played a big part to his poor decision making.
Well hey, it’s what you think, so fill your boots.That sounds very accurate when discussing his 2021 performances, that’s the strong being discussed. Harsh words don’t make the performances any different.
We can touch on why you don’t think his 2021 performances are subpar as a whole in his performance thread, if you wish.Well hey, it’s what you think, so fill your boots.
The OP literally thinks he should be considered alongside the big three. He comes to this debate with extremely tinted glasses, almost delusionally tinted. It’s easy to see how such people take any criticism of Rashford as hyperbolic abuse.He’s been below his best but most of what you say is quite an exaggeration, to me.
He’s important to how we play and his class comes to the surface pretty often. I agree with the OP, I don’t see the point of hammering him. Too early to say Legend, of course, but I don’t see why he can’t get there in time.
I do think they are sub par, for him, yes. But not a string of really really shit. The OP was, I’m sure, exaggerating to put him with the holy trinity. For fun, probably. But when you get people saying he’s shit all the time, sometimes an exaggeration the other way is inevitable. He’s a very good player, somewhat off form.We can touch on why you don’t think his 2021 performances are subpar as a whole in his performance thread, if you wish.
Agree. And his 2021 performances have been really, really shit.I do think they are sub par, for him, yes. But not a string of really really shit. The OP was, I’m sure, exaggerating to put him with the holy trinity. For fun, probably. But when you get people saying he’s shit all the time, sometimes an exaggeration the other way is inevitable. He’s a very good player, somewhat off form.
Rashford has often shown poor decision making even before his apparent injuries, but people have somehow completely forgot / ignored this and then come up with excuses as if this wasn't the real Rashford.I genuinely think it does.
I am in no way as good as Marcus Rashford but I did play football to a decent level and I’d often play through thigh or ankle injuries that I’d get quite regularly. I’d still be able to do things like a good finish, a run here and there etc but it would heavily play its part on my decision making. I think you are MORE likely to run with the ball down dead ends and try to take on too many players because a) you’d be thinking about the injury constantly which means your quick thinking will go so along with it quick distribution b) dribbling with the ball just hurts less than passing or shooting with most injuries c) you’ll probably be off the pace anyway so will take too many touches and lo control, partly because you aren’t sharp but also because you are tying too hard to over compensate.
it’s really hard to explain but in my experience a player playing through an injury, at least in my experience, is more likely to overcomplicate. I’d also barely track back because of course running full pelt and getting involved in challenges will most likely make the injury worse especially if you’re doing it all game.
Fair assessment! He'd be rotated in Pep's team as most of his players are. Reckon he'd start in the Liverpool line-up, although he wouldn't replace Mane. All the other teams he walks into.Man City, Liverpool of last season not this one, but Firmino and Jota are better for Liverpool's system as Rashford occupies the same positions as Mane and Salah and not the former two. Chelsea on paper have attackers as good as Rashford in Havertz, Werner, Pulisic, Ziyech. He also gets in Spurs as the 3rd attacker as Son and Kane are better but no one else is.
So he would get in 19 of 20 teams week in week out but would only be a rotation option at City like most City players.
Yes noods, he has the shoulder injury and he tweaked his ankle versus City. I doubt that he's had sufficient rest to allow for full healing, think he got about six days after it first occurred. Not quite enough, probably, as it's something that you can easily aggravate in training or a match.And more recently he is also visibly limping around in every game, which, although I'm not a medical expert, I think usually indicates an injury.
Just curious about what you think his ideal position is? Overall, I do agree with you that Rashford has definitely lost the edge and it could be due to injuries. He just looks like someone doing a job, not someone who is trying to give his 110%. He has his moments but his overall game has greatly deteriorated this season.He's spent a majority of the season either being senselessly used out of position, or being played game after game despite having multiple limbs injured at the same time. I think this is somewhat overlooked. There's not many players who can play well on only one leg and one arm. Its not Monty Python.
I don't know why Ole thinks that having use of both your arms and legs isn't an important factor in being "fit"...but then we played Rashford when he had a broken back last season. He could be decapitated and we'd just send him out with his head celotaped back on, then maybe sub him after an hour when he starts to visibly decompose or vultures start pecking at his face when he's trying to take a freekick.
I mean I don't think he's been playing well but he clearly doesn't look right. He wont put any weight into challenges because his arm is clearly fecked, which means he isn't running at people like he normally would because you wont get past someone in the PL without having to jostle them. And more recently he is also visibly limping around in every game, which, although I'm not a medical expert, I think usually indicates an injury.
He does get a lot of unfair stick, but then the angry mob have needed a new target since Lingard stopped playing, and Rashford, Fernandes and Maguire are the only three who don't get dropped every other game. Maguire's faults are usually outshone by one of our other defenders and Fernandes even when he's shite ends up winning us the game most of the time. Rashford of the three is the one who we aren't seeing the best of
He’s right though? Not sure how anyone could watch us and think otherwiseSorry bro for using you as an example, but comments like these are the reason why this thread was started.
Really ? What's "shitty" in these comments ? These are the truth. He scored a great goal but this was a terrible performance (And damn yes, I'm the one who said that). That's about it. Remove the goal, what else did you get from him yesterday ?"Absolutely horrific performance"
"Great goal but he was shit tonight"
"His allround game needs polishing if we want to win leagues and champions leagues"
What does this have to do with anything ?Interesting to hear from the Rashford critics on here. Which team(s) in the PL do you consider he doesn't get into?
I disagree I think he’s worse on the rightNeeds to work on his game and he's a right winger all day long.
Yeah the first minute of the Everton game really stood out for me, he went up to try and win a header on the touchline, got a small nudge in the back and went down in agony. Spent the next 15 minutes grimacing and the game pretty much passed him by.I mean I don't think he's been playing well but he clearly doesn't look right. He wont put any weight into challenges because his arm is clearly fecked, which means he isn't running at people like he normally would because you wont get past someone in the PL without having to jostle them. And more recently he is also visibly limping around in every game, which, although I'm not a medical expert, I think usually indicates an injury.
I'd say 'world class talent' is fine. He's shown that when he actually is playing near his best he's capable of ripping just about any team apart, and he did have that 3 month period last season where he was playing at just about world class level. The hope is that he can get to that kind of level on a fairly consistent basis as he matures.I’ll quite happily admit I’m a critic of Rashford and the reason is evident in the OP - some of our fans go way, way overboard in their assessment of his abilities and they need a reality check.
If we kept it sensible then I wouldn’t see the need to argue about whether he is “good”, “very good” or indifferent (we all have our own opinions) but when we’ve got people banging on about him being a “world class talent”, or “as good as Rooney or Ronaldo at the same age” or “a legend...like Best, Charlton and Law” it personally drives me mad.