The vaccines | vaxxed boosted unvaxxed? New poll

How's your immunity looking? Had covid - vote twice - vax status and then again for infection status

  • Vaxxed but no booster

  • Boostered

  • Still waiting in queue for first vaccine dose

  • Won't get vaxxed (unless I have to for travel/work etc)

  • Past infection with covid + I've been vaccinated

  • Past infection with covid - I've not been vaccinated

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After the first Pfizer jab I had nothing but a bit of a sore arm. Got the second one and same thing, arm wasn’t even sore the next day. Thought I was in the clear but on the second and now third day I’ve been hit with the flu and my girlfriend who got it on the same day is worse than me.

Dreading going to bed tonight because last night was hell, but hoping we both wake up feeling better tomorrow morning!
 
Red Panda said:
Thanks Jojojo that's good of you. I had the first jab in mid Feb. The ITP (immune thrombocytopenia purpura) started up about a month later. I looked so bad with the huge bruises, most people swore when they saw them. A journey of loads of blood tests and haematologist appointments started which are still going on now. Btw I went ahead with the second jab.
I'm now on a drug that stimulates my bone marrow to produce more platelets and also a big dose of steroids.
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Brave decision. Thanks for protecting the rest of us. Hope you fully recover soon.
 
Pogue Mahone said:


FAO any Americans with conservative/right leaning vaccine sceptic friends. Sam Harris has become a bit of a darling of the right (even though he would hate to be called that) but this is a superb listen to convince us of the benefits of vaccination. So might be a useful tool in your arsenal to try and get them to see sense.
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Thanks. Enjoyed that. Seems Harris has fallen out with a number of his former friends in the last 9 months over his pro-vaccine stance (the likes of Maajid Nawaz and Bret Weinstein have completely disappeared down the looney anti-vaxx rabbit hole).
 
I'm not getting it. Wouldn't wanna turn into a zombie like in 'I am Legend'.



Seriously, some people are too stupid for this world.
 
Mike Smalling said:
I'm not getting it. Wouldn't wanna turn into a zombie like in 'I am Legend'.



Seriously, some people are too stupid for this world.
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Obviously anyone who uses sci fi movies to make decisions about their health is too stupid for words but, strictly speaking, some of these vaccines do involve injecting you with a “genetically reprogrammed virus”.
 
Many thanks Wibble
Wibble said:
Brave decision. Thanks for protecting the rest of us. Hope you fully recover soon.
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Thanks Wibble that's kind of you. I don't think it's known why the AstraZeneca vaccine triggers the immune system in a tiny amount of people to attack blood platelets. With me they're just trying to control the negative effects. My heart goes out to those who've lost loved ones
 
That version was shite, anyway. If that were the case all we'd need is Charlton Heston's blood and inject everyone with that, seeing as his was the cure in the Omega Man. Or... just hang garlic outside yer door like Vincent Price done in The Last Man on Earth. The original adaptation of the novel 'I Am Legend' to keep all the anti-vaxxers away.
 
My god i feel shit today... Just had my 2nd this morning, got half of the side effects!
Feels like a proper man flu this!
 
mav_9me said:
Great stuff here.

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Hasn‘t the argument always been that mixing a vaccinated population with an unvaccinated population is what could promote vaccine resistant variations? If it’s allowed to spread far and wide through the unvaccinated, the chance of a (vaccine resistant) mutation occurring is higher as is the chance it would then spread to the vaccinated.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Just registered my son (12) to be vaccinated. Blows my mind that we’re already at his age group by the beginning of August. Phenomenal effort all round.
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Personally believe this vaccines is one of mankind's greatest achievements.
 
Pexbo said:
Hasn‘t the argument always been that mixing a vaccinated population with an unvaccinated population is what could promote vaccine resistant variations? If it’s allowed to spread far and wide through the unvaccinated, the chance of a (vaccine resistant) mutation occurring is higher as is the chance it would then spread to the vaccinated.
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I don't know. I am not sure anyone knows.

The anti-vax argument I believe is that vaccines naturally lead the virus to mutate to escape it. Personally don't see the logic in that. Just because bacteria might become resistant to an antibiotic doesn't mean we don't use the antibiotic for its benefit.

I would have thought because duration of illness is short in vaccinated people, chances of mutation are less. There will be some mutation anyway.

But I don't know much about this stuff.
 
mav_9me said:
I don't know. I am not sure anyone knows.

The anti-vax argument I believe is that vaccines naturally lead the virus to mutate to escape it. Personally don't see the logic in that. Just because bacteria might become resistant to an antibiotic doesn't mean we don't use the antibiotic for its benefit.

I would have thought because duration of illness is short in vaccinated people, chances of mutation are less. There will be some mutation anyway.

But I don't know much about this stuff.
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It confuses me too. The selective pressure with antibiotic resistance is supposedly increased with underdosing or not completing a full course. The idea being you need a scorched earth policy or you end up with battle hardened survivor bugs that will handle the antibiotic better next time round.

I used to think that the vaccine equivalent risk was the Uk policy of pushing out the second dose, therefore leaving loads of partially vaccinated people wandering round. I don’t think that logic holds though. Especially now we know even fully vaccinated people fairly regularly get a mild illness. And bacteria evolving to resist antibiotics is very different to viruses evolving to resist a vaccine. Because they’re up against the same form of attack, whether the host is vaccinated or non-vaccinated.

Which is a rambling way of demonstrating that I don’t know much about this stuff either!
 
golden_blunder said:
It’ll be interesting to see what kind of uptake there will be. Parents might be less inclined to use vaccines on their kids
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It will be interesting. The uptake in the age of people who would be parents of these kids has been pretty incredible. So I can see a lot of them opting in, if only so their kids don’t miss loads of school again next year.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
It will be interesting. The uptake in the age of people who would be parents of these kids has been pretty incredible. So I can see a lot of them opting in, if only so their kids don’t miss loads of school again next year.
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I hope you’re right, it’ll be an interesting story to follow
 
Pogue Mahone said:
It confuses me too. The selective pressure with antibiotic resistance is supposedly increased with underdosing or not completing a full course. The idea being you need a scorched earth policy or you end up with battle hardened survivor bugs that will handle the antibiotic better next time round.

I used to think that the vaccine equivalent risk was the Uk policy of pushing out the second dose, therefore leaving loads of partially vaccinated people wandering round. I don’t think that logic holds though. Especially now we know even fully vaccinated people fairly regularly get a mild illness. And bacteria evolving to resist antibiotics is very different to viruses evolving to resist a vaccine. Because they’re up against the same form of attack, whether the host is vaccinated or non-vaccinated.

Which is a rambling way of demonstrating that I don’t know much about this stuff either!
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Definitely
 
Interesting update on vaccine take-up in France. Their campaign started slowly, with a lot of hesitancy and a high dose of outright vaccine rejection. They've still not got the kind of blanket coverage that the UK got in the 70+ (which may impact their hospital/death rates) but they've really moved well in the under 40s.

It's the grey bits of the graph that tell you most of the story in terms of vulnerability to hospitalisation.



Big uptick in vaccinations since vaccine passports for cafes came in. But hopefully also a sign that people are getting more confident about the vaccine.
 
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And because I'm in a graphics mood this morning, some raw stats on vaccine rates globally. The UK has very high coverage in the older groups but looking at the whole population, it's now slipping down the charts, particularly as other countries move to vaccinate the over 12s.



Looking good for Ireland:
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jojojo said:
And because I'm in a graphics mood this morning, some raw stats on vaccine rates globally. The UK has very high coverage in the older groups but looking at the whole population, it's now slipping down the charts, particularly as other countries move to vaccinate the over 12s.



Looking good for Ireland:
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If 21% of our population are u18 and we're not going to to vaccinate the vast majority of them then surely we're getting close to the limit when you consider anti-vaxxers etc?
 
Classical Mechanic said:
If 21% of our population are u18 and we're not going to to vaccinate the vast majority of them then surely we're getting close to the limit when you consider anti-vaxxers etc?
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Close to it I think. Hopefully a few of the remaining, "I'm fit, it will never affect me," will change their minds. Others will be influenced by foreign travel etc. Surveys suggest only 5% reject the vaccine outright, so there's still a bit more room. But yes, we must be close to the realistic limit.

The JCVI guidance changed this week to allow 16-18 year olds to get the vaccine. So far though, there's been no real push on that and the national booking system still doesn't accept them. There's a suggestion that they won't really push on with them, until they can give them their own sessions - vaccine buses at the start of the school term maybe?

Whether they'll change the 12-15 advice is still open. It's an emotive subject for a lot of people. Personally, I suspect JCVI will wait for initial info from other countries in Europe and more data from the US, and then open it "with provisos" maybe in a couple of months time.
 
jojojo said:
Looking good for Ireland:
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Hard to work out why a nation of chancers and cute hoors are so compliant here. I heard one suggestion was because “sure why not, it’s free”

One of the head honchos made a good analogy yesterday to counter the alarmists highlighting cases in the vaccinated. The vast majority of people killed in cars each year are wearing set-belts and only very small numbers are killed that aren’t wearing one.
 
Is there any particular reason the UK aren't giving it to 12-15 year olds? Ireland has just started vaccinating that age group and a lot of other countries seem to be too. Slightly surprised as the UK's approach to the vaccines seemed pretty gung-ho at the start and one of the few political successes the government had during covid.
 
sullydnl said:
Is there any particular reason the UK aren't giving it to 12-15 year olds? Ireland has just started vaccinating that age group and a lot of other countries seem to be too. Slightly surprised as the UK's approach to the vaccines seemed pretty gung-ho at the start and one of the few political successes the government had during covid.
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It is a bit odd. They seem to be wanting to wait and see how things pan out in other countries before making a decision when up until now it’s been mainly other countries learning from the early data coming out of the UK. They’re also up against ticking clock with schools reopening soon and the several weeks it takes for vaccines to start doing their job.
 
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