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We got another woman hater here.
Similarly haven't we been hearing that these rapid tests are a bit crap? No doubt he'll take a full PCR now to confirm his rapid test.Aren't false negatives a lot more common than false positives?
Similarly haven't we been hearing that these rapid tests are a bit crap? No doubt he'll take a full PCR now to confirm his rapid test.Aren't false negatives a lot more common than false positives?
What about false dawns?Aren't false negatives a lot more common than false positives?
Is he in a group that gets tested weekly/regularly or was the test because of symptoms?The maintenance guy at another of my companies nursing homes just tested positive on a rapid test 3 weeks after his first Pfizer jab. Hopefully it's a false positive, otherwise its a little worrying.
But if the Pfizer one is 95 % efficient, ( or less than this after one dose,) then at least 1 in 20 can still get it after having had the jab surely, so stories like this are going to become quite common, even more so with the Oxford one.The maintenance guy at another of my companies nursing homes just tested positive on a rapid test 3 weeks after his first Pfizer jab. Hopefully it's a false positive, otherwise its a little worrying.
Yeah we all have daily rapid tests and one weekly normal test. He is symptom free. The home has a bad outbreak going on sadly so it must be incredibly infectious. I wonder if level of exposure has any relevance to efficacy.Is he in a group that gets tested weekly/regularly or was the test because of symptoms?
3 weeks is still in that band labelled: 2 weeks post-vaccine + 3/10 days before infection is symptomatic or measurable on a lateral flow test. So it's on that border, I think. Not necessarily a worry just yet. Obviously it'll be something to watch out for though, and something people will need to know and understand when the data becomes clearer. Particularly those who are getting it because of their workplace.
So his daily rapid tests were negative for three weeks after the vaccine until he suddenly tested positive? When was his last weekly test? Those rapid tests are not very reliable.Yeah we all have daily rapid tests and one weekly normal test. He is symptom free. The home has a bad outbreak going on sadly so it must be incredibly infectious. I wonder if level of exposure has any relevance to efficacy.
Yep, tested negative Monday and Tuesday then positive today. They have had false positives apparently at that home. He did the weekly test on Tuesday so waiting for the result on that.So his daily rapid tests were negative for three weeks after the vaccine until he suddenly tested positive? When was his last weekly test? Those rapid tests are not very reliable.
Do you feel we will be able to live some level of normal life as the spring/summer comes on the horizon?I watched a bit, that was painful. Doesn't fill you with confidence but I'm sure there's people more capable than him actually managing the process.
Two doses of Oxford's vacccine is better than the typical flu vaccine, yep.
Maybe if they give you one dose tomorrow and the second dose 12 months later, the second dose won't work as well and it could be worse than the flu. That's very unlikely to happen though. If you're getting it ~ 3 months later as planned, the data shows it's more efficacious than the flu, but only after you've gotten the second dose. In between dose 1 and 2 you're only "partially protected", so in that interim period it theoretically could be worse than the flu, different organisations have analysed that data differently so it doesn't come with the same concrete assessment.
I assume that’s because you’re benefitting from the UK’s vaccination policy and have a tiny population?https://sluggerotoole.com/2021/01/1...he-worlds-highest-covid-19-vaccination-rates/
NI doing very well at the vaccinations. Not like us to be efficient in anything so this is good to see
When you say they caught it about 5 days later, do you mean they developed symptoms then or had a test then or something else?I asked this in the covid thread but I have a follow-up (thanks @Pogue Mahone for the responses earlier).
Basically my parents were given their Pfizer 1st dose and caught covid around 5 days later. I know vaccine defence was registered 7-12(?) days into the dose to around 50%, but in this case will there be any impact from the vaccine as they go deeper into having contracted the virus? I.e. is it possible that the vaccine antibodies and the body's own immune system are fighting the virus as the days progress? Or is the vaccine ultimately useless in preventing severe symptoms because they have covid too soon?
Agree with this answer (and second the well wishes!)When you say they caught it about 5 days later, do you mean they developed symptoms then or had a test then or something else?
Whichever it is it's very early days for the vaccine to have had a real impact, but if they really caught it 5 days after taking the vaccine it might have given their immune system a bit of a head start.
In any case I hope they're doing ok now and that they'll recover well.
When you say they caught it about 5 days later, do you mean they developed symptoms then or had a test then or something else?
Whichever it is it's very early days for the vaccine to have had a real impact, but if they really caught it 5 days after taking the vaccine it might have given their immune system a bit of a head start.
In any case I hope they're doing ok now and that they'll recover well.
Thanks to both on this.Agree with this answer (and second the well wishes!)
I suppose it'll vary a lot country by country. I think most of the UK population will have received at least one dose of the vaccine by the summer and things will seem relatively normal here, and that'll be true of many other countries too. I wouldn't assume it's true of most countries though, even neighbouring countries. The EU countries share the supplies equally but after that point there's a lot of variation in the distribution strategy, the medical infrastructure, population engagement etc.Do you feel we will be able to live some level of normal life as the spring/summer comes on the horizon?
Long story short I want to go for some travelling in May (ideally world wide but realistically I'm probably looking at an EU tour I imagine) do you think the vaccines will control the virus to manageable levels for that to be possible?
I'm sure you'll be able to travel in May, but if you were planning on visiting a lot of countries then I'd expect you to still be wearing masks in most places, there'd be restrictions on crowds in some places, and there'd still be localised flare-ups leading to emergency measures. There will surely be some countries that are still experiencing a national health crisis at that point, but a lot of countries should have things under control by then. Maybe a handful will have vaccinated almost all of the population, but many will have vaccinated the groups most likely to strain the health system and by that point they'll be looking to speed up the economic recovery in every possible way. Risk mitigation measures that carry almost no economic costs (like masks) still dominant but restrictions on activities pulled back a lot.4.9 The role a vaccine can play in supporting the resumption of normal life depends on how the vaccine works – whether the vaccine primarily acts by preventing symptomatic disease including severe disease, or by also preventing infections, and whether virus transmission is also interrupted.
4.10 Phase III clinical trial results have already told us about a vaccine’s likely impact on symptomatic infections. Clinical trials are important in providing the vital information on preventing symptomatic disease and determining safety and how the vaccine will work in certain target groups. However, it will only be after significant numbers of people have been vaccinated that we will have more complete information on extra benefits such as preventing hospitalisation, severe disease and reducing transmission.
You are correct that Australia was slow off the mark buying vaccines so are going to be late getting a decent supply of the Pfizer vaccine. We are making the Oxford vaccine here so the governments refusal to seek emergency approval suggests to many that production wasn't ramped up as early as they previously suggested. Hardly a surprise with the scumbags we have as a Federal government.I suppose it'll vary a lot country by country. I think most of the UK population will have received at least one dose of the vaccine by the summer and things will seem relatively normal here, and that'll be true of many other countries too. I wouldn't assume it's true of most countries though, even neighbouring countries. The EU countries share the supplies equally but after that point there's a lot of variation in the distribution strategy, the medical infrastructure, population engagement etc.
I'm quite optimistic about the vaccination plan so it's possible you could be offered a vaccine by May, but even with new vaccines possibly coming onto the scene by then, we can safely assume we won't have the supplies for you to get the second vaccination. By that point I wouldn't be surprised to see some form of vaccination passport implemented. You'll have countries at a critical stage in the vaccination program, with light at the end of the tunnel, that won't want to jeopardise that to support tourism. I'd be very surprised if you were able to visit many Asian countries without being vaccinated, and I'd expect most countries to consider you unvaccinated if you've only got one dose.
Even after the entire UK population has been vaccinated (or close to it), I'd still expect there to be travel restrictions on UK travellers in places like Australia (who purchased vaccines later, so will receive them later) or Mexico (who haven't been able to acquire an affordable vaccine yet, and are relying on COVAX vaccinating 20% of the population). We still have very little data on how much the vaccines reduce transmission. If they reduce it a decent amount, somewhere like Mexico might open their borders while a large chunk of the population is unvaccinated, but somewhere like Australia won't. Even if it reduces transmission a lot, but not fully, it's unlikely Australia will allow vaccinated travellers before the vast majority of their population is immunised. This is all the UK are saying about transmission in their vaccine plan:
I'm sure you'll be able to travel in May, but if you were planning on visiting a lot of countries then I'd expect you to still be wearing masks in most places, there'd be restrictions on crowds in some places, and there'd still be localised flare-ups leading to emergency measures. There will surely be some countries that are still experiencing a national health crisis at that point, but a lot of countries should have things under control by then. Maybe a handful will have vaccinated almost all of the population, but many will have vaccinated the groups most likely to strain the health system and by that point they'll be looking to speed up the economic recovery in every possible way. Risk mitigation measures that carry almost no economic costs (like masks) still dominant but restrictions on activities pulled back a lot.
Thank-you for the reply. At this point i'm so eager to get back on the travel again i'd be happy if i could only go 1 country in the shrt termI suppose it'll vary a lot country by country. I think most of the UK population will have received at least one dose of the vaccine by the summer and things will seem relatively normal here, and that'll be true of many other countries too. I wouldn't assume it's true of most countries though, even neighbouring countries. The EU countries share the supplies equally but after that point there's a lot of variation in the distribution strategy, the medical infrastructure, population engagement etc.
I'm quite optimistic about the vaccination plan so it's possible you could be offered a vaccine by May, but even with new vaccines possibly coming onto the scene by then, we can safely assume we won't have the supplies for you to get the second vaccination. By that point I wouldn't be surprised to see some form of vaccination passport implemented. You'll have countries at a critical stage in the vaccination program, with light at the end of the tunnel, that won't want to jeopardise that to support tourism. I'd be very surprised if you were able to visit many Asian countries without being vaccinated, and I'd expect most countries to consider you unvaccinated if you've only got one dose.
Even after the entire UK population has been vaccinated (or close to it), I'd still expect there to be travel restrictions on UK travellers in places like Australia (who purchased vaccines later, so will receive them later) or Mexico (who haven't been able to acquire an affordable vaccine yet, and are relying on COVAX vaccinating 20% of the population). We still have very little data on how much the vaccines reduce transmission. If they reduce it a decent amount, somewhere like Mexico might open their borders while a large chunk of the population is unvaccinated, but somewhere like Australia won't. Even if it reduces transmission a lot, but not fully, it's unlikely Australia will allow vaccinated travellers before the vast majority of their population is immunised. This is all the UK are saying about transmission in their vaccine plan:
I'm sure you'll be able to travel in May, but if you were planning on visiting a lot of countries then I'd expect you to still be wearing masks in most places, there'd be restrictions on crowds in some places, and there'd still be localised flare-ups leading to emergency measures. There will surely be some countries that are still experiencing a national health crisis at that point, but a lot of countries should have things under control by then. Maybe a handful will have vaccinated almost all of the population, but many will have vaccinated the groups most likely to strain the health system and by that point they'll be looking to speed up the economic recovery in every possible way. Risk mitigation measures that carry almost no economic costs (like masks) still dominant but restrictions on activities pulled back a lot.
Have you thought about Rwanda? The Emirates billboards are telling me Rwanda is open.Thank-you for the reply. At this point i'm so eager to get back on the travel again i'd be happy if i could only go 1 country in the shrt term
Also in regards to Mexico, i swear their borders are open? Last i checked one of the travel vloggers i follow (Lifeofjord) was there and in the summer a few American's went as it was the only country they could visit.
That's interesting, Africa is the only continent I haven't been too aswell.Have you thought about Rwanda? The Emirates billboards are telling me Rwanda is open.
I have absolutely no idea.That's interesting, Africa is the only continent I haven't been too aswell.
Is it on the UK travel corridor?
I thought it was around 60% effective after first dose.But if the Pfizer one is 95 % efficient, ( or less than this after one dose,) then at least 1 in 20 can still get it after having had the jab surely, so stories like this are going to become quite common, even more so with the Oxford one.
It will be interesting so see how many of the ones who've had the vaccine get seriuosly ill on this much larger scale than the trials, hopefully non.
Yeah, I guess the UK got a head start at it and we're the smallest country so it's worked out well. Local GP practices are giving it out, and leisure centres in larger towns are being utilised also. Been a very encouraging response so far, my wife and grandmother already been sortedI assume that’s because you’re benefitting from the UK’s vaccination policy and have a tiny population?
Shitbags like you aside, a nasal spray would be great because it can help prevent transmission. The current vaccines stimulate an immune response in your blood but the only way those antibodies can do their thing is after the virus has already made its way through your nose/airways. And it can be shed from there en route.Anyone else hear this news about the nasal spray vaccine being developed in Lancaster? Great news for shitbags like myself who faint at the sight of a needle!
https://www.lancaster.ac.uk/news/scientists-developing-covid-19-vaccine-nasal-spray-1
Luckily there is a few of these in the works as well, a Dublin based company Open Oprhan got permission to start stage 1 trials before Christmas, supposedly it would help with preventing passing on the virus.Anyone else hear this news about the nasal spray vaccine being developed in Lancaster? Great news for shitbags like myself who faint at the sight of a needle!
https://www.lancaster.ac.uk/news/scientists-developing-covid-19-vaccine-nasal-spray-1
Seems sensible and not unexpected tbh.
There is some belief that the first dose is more effective than that. This is part of the reasoning for the UK approach.I thought it was around 60% effective after first dose.
We're motoring along for the over 80s now as per JCVI's list of groups that are priority for vaccines.
Have you gained any side effects such as flight or invisibility?Had my first Pfizer jab today, would have liked to have had it two weeks ago but better late than never.
I've probably been reading too many tabloids, but I though the Pfizer one was up to 91 % effective after one dose.I thought it was around 60% effective after first dose.
It might have given me hyperacusis, or perhaps my patients were just more annoying than usual today.Have you gained any side effects such as flight or invisibility?
Nasal spray works exactly the same as traditional vaccines. It stimulates an immune response in your blood. Only difference is that the antigen is introduced by a differen route.Shitbags like you aside, a nasal spray would be great because it can help prevent transmission. The current vaccines stimulate an immune response in your blood but the only way those antibodies can do their thing is after the virus has already made its way through your nose/airways. And it can be shed from there en route.