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[Annihilate Now!]

I thought that too. Coupled with sasha interfering in the women's title match which should have caused a DQ, they really bodged the PPV.

The booking on this PPV was a complete joke for the most part.

Zayn and Joe got just under 10 minutes. Why? Either let these guys go all out and have a feckin' awesome match, or have Joe kill him. Why go for this half way house where you have a competitive match but one that isn't given enough time to be great? So you can get Jinder Mahal on the card? Feck off... Big Show vs. Rursev was exactly a minute shorter then this match... again, why?

Nia Jax and Sasha was just over a minute shorter then Zayn vs. Joe, but felt like 5 hours longer. Why is Nia Jax being asked to wrestle for over 8 minutes? I thought she was a monster, but she's been stopped at pretty much her first proper PPV match, why?

Don't get me started on the booking of the RAW woman's championship, 'cos thats a feckin' joke... but hey, they had Charlotte's PPV streak, that they have been building up to mean something for like 18 months now... but hey, lets get rid of that literally a month, ONE MONTH before Mania. Why? and as you said, why the hell wasn't it a DQ anyway? Why did she have to get pinned in that match? It made no sense at all.

Then there's Strowman, your monster, who has been built up for a year to be an unstoppable force. He finally has a PPV match against someone his own size... and he loses. Why? Because Roman Reigns has a match at Mania? What reasoning is that? Why throw away a whole year of build just to put yet another win on Reigns? And don't say it doesn't matter, because streaks and records, when done properly, absolutely do matter. Remember when Umaga faced Cena at the Rumble over 10 years ago? Umaga plowed through everyone and you thought, shit, how is Cena going to win? It added to the drama of the match... and it was a great match... but nah, lets have Strowman just lose on this nothing PPV. Nevermind the fact that you could have had Taker cut in and that would have made logical sense....

Then there's the championship scenario, which as I said, made Owens look like the biggest idiot in the world, has cheapened his fued with Jericho... which is a shame as it has been easily the very best thing on RAW for about half a year.

 

[Sylar]

I have no issues with Reigns winning tbh esp if hes facing Undertaker at WM. I think most people would say "why is he facing Taker at WM if he cant even beat Braun at Fastlane".

The Sasha DQ thing isnt the worst thing either if it works towards Sasha saying she wanted to face Bayley at WM and knows she can beat her.
Oh and if Foley is called an idiot again by Stephanie for not controlling the show and seeing it was an obvious DQ (and doing nothing).
TBH the most logical thing would be Charlotte using the footage to complain to Stephanie and showing Sasha attacked her and a DQ wasnt called - thus she should have won and not lost her streak and deserves another title shot (and steph doing what she did last time - 'taking it off the record')

Raw as a whole is boring however because its more focused on part-timers. Also as much as regulars will hate it, I told one of my friends who doesnt watch regularly that Goldberg is champion now, and he said hes going to watch to see him and will be getting WM cos of it.

Fastlane is part of the story rather than culmination so its not as bad as most are making it out to be.

 

[Sylar]

Nevermind the fact that you could have had Taker cut in and that would have made logical sense....

I dont agree.
It only makes sense if you know in advance that Taker is facing Reigns at WM. But its not been announced or official. Taker doesnt interfere in matches (except vs Brock a year ago which was revenge for ending the streak and going on and on and on about it).
Reigns eliminated Taker from the Rumble but hasnt mentioned it once.
Taker is more a guy who challenges somebody outside of a match and always has been so him appearing on Raw whilst Roman is doing a promo makes more logical sense.

 

[JoaquinJoaquin]

I have no issues with Reigns winning tbh esp if hes facing Undertaker at WM. I think most people would say "why is he facing Taker at WM if he cant even beat Braun at Fastlane".

The Sasha DQ thing isnt the worst thing either if it works towards Sasha saying she wanted to face Bayley at WM and knows she can beat her.
Oh and if Foley is called an idiot again by Stephanie for not controlling the show and seeing it was an obvious DQ (and doing nothing).
TBH the most logical thing would be Charlotte using the footage to complain to Stephanie and showing Sasha attacked her and a DQ wasnt called - thus she should have won and not lost her streak and deserves another title shot (and steph doing what she did last time - 'taking it off the record')

Raw as a whole is boring however because its more focused on part-timers. Also as much as regulars will hate it, I told one of my friends who doesnt watch regularly that Goldberg is champion now, and he said hes going to watch to see him and will be getting WM cos of it.

Fastlane is part of the story rather than culmination so its not as bad as most are making it out to be.

That's the kind of rubbish that WCW was doing in it's dying days. Swerves like that just kill momentum and look stupid.

 

[VP89]

I have no issues with Reigns winning tbh esp if hes facing Undertaker at WM. I think most people would say "why is he facing Taker at WM if he cant even beat Braun at Fastlane".

The Sasha DQ thing isnt the worst thing either if it works towards Sasha saying she wanted to face Bayley at WM and knows she can beat her.
Oh and if Foley is called an idiot again by Stephanie for not controlling the show and seeing it was an obvious DQ (and doing nothing).
TBH the most logical thing would be Charlotte using the footage to complain to Stephanie and showing Sasha attacked her and a DQ wasnt called - thus she should have won and not lost her streak and deserves another title shot (and steph doing what she did last time - 'taking it off the record')

Raw as a whole is boring however because its more focused on part-timers. Also as much as regulars will hate it, I told one of my friends who doesnt watch regularly that Goldberg is champion now, and he said hes going to watch to see him and will be getting WM cos of it.

Fastlane is part of the story rather than culmination so its not as bad as most are making it out to be.

I think there is lots wrong with their booking though, even when taking into account your points:

- Reigns shouldn't be booked against undertaker in the first place. Even if it's as a heel (which he won't be), he wouldn't be accepted. There are other heels who the crowd can collectively get behind hating whilst respecting the charisma that wrestler has to carry the fued. Reigns isn't even close to that. Strawman should have either lost dirty or won dirty to allow both wrestlers to keep face.

- There is no need for clarification from Stephanie if the title doesn't change hands. She should and would have better things to focus on ahead of Wrestlemania than to come out and clarify personal records. And even if she did she's basically saying "please ignore what happened in one of the main events at WWE Fastlane", which shows how shit a PPV this culmination was.

- I'm quite sure armchair fans would log in to watch Goldberg with or without the belt, just because it's Goldberg. They've basically taken the most precious title on Raw and given it to a guy who has done 5 moves and Wrestled 2 minutes in 10 years. That's wrong whichever way you look at it.

 

[Dirty Schwein]

What will WWE do when the part timers go away? Wouldnt this be a great time to properly build KO? Now he just looks like a complete chump. RAW has NO faith in it's roster, that's clear to see. At least SD takes some chances to get the newer guys over.

 

[VP89]

WWE need to stop relying on the past to carry them to success each year. They could have awarded a guy who passes merch like hot cakes with a paper and fecking clip board. Instead they brought back a 50 year old who just wants to be a hero for kids. As though we don't have that already in reigns and cena.

All its done is make me dislike Goldberg a bit, which I've never done and it's not even his fault

 

[Garethw]

What will WWE do when the part timers go away? Wouldnt this be a great time to properly build KO? Now he just looks like a complete chump. RAW has NO faith in it's roster, that's clear to see. At least SD takes some chances to get the newer guys over.

During the attitude era a lot of old legends used to come back just to get destroyed by the new stars and that is the way it should be.

 

[Rooney1987]

Even in the attitude era WWE used older guys, even Hulk Hogan had the title in mid 2000s over Lesner and other younger guys. We all know Taker has been a part timer for 10 years or so. The "IWC" might not like it but it's created buzz for a lot of older wrestling fans. Goldberg gets a huge reaction on social media and he gets by far the biggest pop of the night when he is on the show. Having 2 massive heavyweights go at it for the Universal title will make the title for whoever wins it out of Owens, Balor or even Reigns feel so much more bigger. It will do that. Look I know I'm in minority but I think Goldberg/Lesner for title does make it feel bigger, it will give the Universal title the much needed push it's need since it was unveiled.

It wasn't an awful PPV wrestling fans so upset with results they miss what they're actually watching. No I'm not saying it was great either just decent. The start of the PPV was great 3 good matches but will agree the Jinder Mahal/Cesaro, Big Show/Rusev matches really did slow down the PPV for a bit. But we then got match of the night in cruiserweights. Braun/Reigns was good too. On result Braun looked great against Reigns over past month 1 loss does not lose him momentum. People would be whinging if Roman had lost and with comments "how can he beat the Undertaker". The Bayley/Charlotte match look it's clearly part of the Foley not being able to control the matches angle. I'm sure they'll add to it on Raw. Main event, we all kind of knew this was happening. Y2J would cost him.

 

[Dobba]

The only positive of the Raw half of WWE in the last few weeks is that seemingly even they realise their big selling point going into Mania isn't a draw, so they've had to add the belt to it. No idea why they think people should be excited about two part timers, one of whom has only done three moves in a match in the past decade if you include a Rumble elimination as the third.

 

[Sylar]

That's the kind of rubbish that WCW was doing in it's dying days. Swerves like that just kill momentum and look stupid.

Well its not really a swerve is it, if its building and moving towards Foleys incompetence for him being fired.
And its something they already did with Charlotte with her loss to Bailey on Raw which was "stricken from the record" so its not going to kill anything by doing it again except make Charlotte a more annoying heel as she can brag about how Bayley cant beat her without help.
Its not exactly afinger poke of doom

 

[Shane88]

What will WWE do when the part timers go away? Wouldnt this be a great time to properly build KO? Now he just looks like a complete chump. RAW has NO faith in it's roster, that's clear to see. At least SD takes some chances to get the newer guys over.

Part timers will never go away. They'll just be replaced. Cena will be the next big part-timer, I guess.

 

[Sylar]

I think there is lots wrong with their booking though, even when taking into account your points:

- Reigns shouldn't be booked against undertaker in the first place. Even if it's as a heel (which he won't be), he wouldn't be accepted. There are other heels who the crowd can collectively get behind hating whilst respecting the charisma that wrestler has to carry the fued. Reigns isn't even close to that. Strawman should have either lost dirty or won dirty to allow both wrestlers to keep face.

- There is no need for clarification from Stephanie if the title doesn't change hands. She should and would have better things to focus on ahead of Wrestlemania than to come out and clarify personal records. And even if she did she's basically saying "please ignore what happened in one of the main events at WWE Fastlane", which shows how shit a PPV this culmination was.

- I'm quite sure armchair fans would log in to watch Goldberg with or without the belt, just because it's Goldberg. They've basically taken the most precious title on Raw and given it to a guy who has done 5 moves and Wrestled 2 minutes in 10 years. That's wrong whichever way you look at it.

Reigns/Taker is a totally different thing though. Personally I wanted Cena/Taker but the thought of Reigns vs Taker at WM is intriguing as Reigns right now is even more protected than Cena and a brawl with Taker is quite something.

Stephanie has been focusing on Foleys incompetence and the Charlotte/bayley/Sasha thing could play into it (we will see)

Maybe, maybe not. I just know my friend is interested in watching Raw and WM now because Goldberg is champion.
It might be wrong, but lets be honest, the ones who complain about it are going to do just that... complain but still watch.
The ones who werent watchign however will now more likely watch which will possibly increase viewership.
The only thing is once WWE has them viewing, they need to give them a reason to stick around and the Road to WM needs to be shit hot (which it hasnt been for a few years).

 

[Sylar]

What will WWE do when the part timers go away? Wouldnt this be a great time to properly build KO? Now he just looks like a complete chump. RAW has NO faith in it's roster, that's clear to see. At least SD takes some chances to get the newer guys over.

I dont think Part timers will ever go away now lol.
Its their big problem because they have part-timers embarass the regular talent, then after WM all part-timers go and WWE are stuck with the roster who look like idiots.
When atittude era guys go, im guessing Orton and Cena become part-timers. And we will probably see Batista here and there. Wouldnt be surprised if we see some others like Rey, maybe Punk down the line.

 

[JoaquinJoaquin]

Well its not really a swerve is it, if its building and moving towards Foleys incompetence for him being fired.
And its something they already did with Charlotte with her loss to Bailey on Raw which was "stricken from the record" so its not going to kill anything by doing it again except make Charlotte a more annoying heel as she can brag about how Bayley cant beat her without help.
Its not exactly afinger poke of doom

It's still stupid IMO. If it was Russo booking it he would be crucified. Even if Charlotte gets it 'scratched off the records', It still has killed the momentum and when she eventually does lose the record the big Wrestlemania type moment has gone.

 

[JoaquinJoaquin]

I dont think Part timers will ever go away now lol.
Its their big problem because they have part-timers embarass the regular talent, then after WM all part-timers go and WWE are stuck with the roster who look like idiots.
When atittude era guys go, im guessing Orton and Cena become part-timers. And we will probably see Batista here and there. Wouldnt be surprised if we see some others like Rey, maybe Punk down the line.

The thing is, The part timers coming back at the moment are attitude era types, that people love because they grew up watching. When you move onto the likes of Batista, Orton and Punk coming back that is basically the next generation, and one where alot of people were already lapsed. So in essence won't get the same pop as the attitude era stars do.

Saying that, the WWE will still do it.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

Charlotte losing her PPV streak just before Mania to that annoying piece of crap was the worst thing and ruined the show

 

[Sylar]

I have a feeling Cesaro/Jinder and Show/Rusev ruined the show moreso. lol

It's still stupid IMO. If it was Russo booking it he would be crucified. Even if Charlotte gets it 'scratched off the records', It still has killed the momentum and when she eventually does lose the record the big Wrestlemania type moment has gone.

TBF, they had Shield lose their first match on a SD when it really should have been a PPV. I think her losing the record at WM would have been too predictable anyway. Dont mind that being gone. Same with Brauns loss heading into WM.

 

[a_devil_inside]

Goldberg and Owens match was a waste of time, they could have done a lot of things to make it interesting.
For Wrestlemania I would have liked to see Strowman against Corbin or at least interfere as revenge for the Rumble.

 

[Dirty Schwein]

Goldberg and Owens match was a waste of time, they could have done a lot of things to make it interesting.
For Wrestlemania I would have liked to see Strowman against Corbin or at least interfere as revenge for the Rumble.

Wouldn't it been better if KO waits for the match to start, then immediately goes outside with the intent of getting himself counted out, but Jericho suddenly appears from the crowd or under the ring and tosses him into a Goldberg spear...

 

[K2K]

Reigns/Taker is a totally different thing though. Personally I wanted Cena/Taker but the thought of Reigns vs Taker at WM is intriguing as Reigns right now is even more protected than Cena and a brawl with Taker is quite something.

Stephanie has been focusing on Foleys incompetence and the Charlotte/bayley/Sasha thing could play into it (we will see)

Maybe, maybe not. I just know my friend is interested in watching Raw and WM now because Goldberg is champion.
It might be wrong, but lets be honest, the ones who complain about it are going to do just that... complain but still watch.
The ones who werent watchign however will now more likely watch which will possibly increase viewership.
The only thing is once WWE has them viewing, they need to give them a reason to stick around and the Road to WM needs to be shit hot (which it hasnt been for a few years).

That is a lie that is usually peddled out but its simply not true.

Wrestling ratings have been in a steep decline for a number of years now. And no, I'm not talking about talking about attitude era ratings but comparing it to ratings just 3 or 4 years ago. That means the dvr/Hulu excuse doesn't cut it.

Raw is struggling to break the 3.0 rating nowadays, that was average 2or 3 years ago.

Even the audience for the road to Wrestlemania have hardly spiked.

The problem is evident. This company is losing more viewers than it creates. Part timers for a few weeks can't solve that.

 

[Sylar]

That is a lie that is usually peddled out but its simply not true.

Over time, sure theres a decline. From show to show, (or even month to month), hardly. Anybody who is complaining about Goldberg becoming champion right now, will still be watching WM.

 

[K2K]

Over time, sure theres a decline. From show to show, (or even month to month), hardly. Anybody who is complaining about Goldberg becoming champion right now, will still be watching WM.

But that isn't true either.

Even year to year ratings are generally down.

It's naive to simply brush aside complains that people have about the current product. Remember that they tried to push a Batista vs Orton main event a few years ago and had to change it because of the negative reaction.

Same thing with the Roman push. They have forced it and failed badly at it.

 

[Rooney1987]

That is a lie that is usually peddled out but its simply not true.

Wrestling ratings have been in a steep decline for a number of years now. And no, I'm not talking about talking about attitude era ratings but comparing it to ratings just 3 or 4 years ago. That means the dvr/Hulu excuse doesn't cut it.

Raw is struggling to break the 3.0 rating nowadays, that was average 2or 3 years ago.

Even the audience for the road to Wrestlemania have hardly spiked.

The problem is evident. This company is losing more viewers than it creates. Part timers for a few weeks can't solve that.

It's not a lie this thread alone is full of people whinging every week. You and others hate this so much don't watch road to Mania then and don't post in a the wrestling thread. I've never a group of fans dislike something yet go back to it.

But the WWE is making more money then ever. Last 2 years they've had the best financial years ever. Look people don't watch live tv anymore comparing ratings today to 5 years is stupid. The Nelson ratings aren't accurate they're a guess, they don't include recorded shows, Hulu or Youtube views. Fact that they still selling tickets, more merch then ever and get huge sponsorship cash. I suggest you read the financial reports they release. Obviously wrestling is as popular as it once was but don't act like it's a struggling business because you don't like the storylines on the shows.

 

[Dirty Schwein]

It's not a lie this thread alone is full of people whinging every week. You and others hate this so much don't watch road to Mania then and don't post in a the wrestling thread. I've never a group of fans dislike something yet go back to it.

ArsenalFamTV and Walking Dead

 

[K2K]

It's not a lie this thread alone is full of people whinging every week. You and others hate this so much don't watch road to Mania then and don't post in a the wrestling thread. I've never a group of fans dislike something yet go back to it.

But the WWE is making more money then ever. Last 2 years they've had the best financial years ever. Look people don't watch live tv anymore comparing ratings today to 5 years is stupid. The Nelson ratings aren't accurate they're a guess, they don't include recorded shows, Hulu or Youtube views. Fact that they still selling tickets, more merch then ever and get huge sponsorship cash. I suggest you read the financial reports they release. Obviously wrestling is as popular as it once was but don't act like it's a struggling business because you don't like the storylines on the shows.

Calm down.

And people do watch tv. Compare the ratings of other shows and you will see that other ratings have not tanked.

I never mentioned anything about 5 years ago. In fact ratings are even lower than last year or the year before. Tv culture has hardly changed in that period.

Tell that to tv executives that Nielsen ratings are just guess work. The Comcast tv deal is highly dependent on tv ratings. Ad revenues are also heavily influenced by ratings. It's stupid to say that they are entirely guesswork. There is a high level of statistical analysis behind that. If one calls that guesswork, we might as well disregard every statistical survey.

I love the irony of the bolded statement which you fail to see. You complain about people whining on this thread every week yet you come back to it. Maybe you are the one that should stay out of it.

 

[Rooney1987]

Calm down.

And people do watch tv. Compare the ratings of other shows and you will see that other ratings have not tanked.

I never mentioned anything about 5 years ago. In fact ratings are even lower than last year or the year before. Tv culture has hardly changed in that period.

Tell that to tv executives that Nielsen ratings are just guess work. The Comcast tv deal is highly dependent on tv ratings. Ad revenues are also heavily influenced by ratings. It's stupid to say that they are entirely guesswork. There is a high level of statistical analysis behind that. If one calls that guesswork, we might as well disregard every statistical survey.

I love the irony of the bolded statement which you fail to see. You complain about people whining on this thread every week yet you come back to it. Maybe you are the one that should stay out of it.

Fine people do watch live TV but you cannot argue the way people watch it very different to even 2 or 3 years ago. TV ratings over past 2 years has declined 10%, NFL ratings for example was down 9% from last year, you not gonna say NFL is in decline because of poor ratings. Just google the topic and you'll see many reports of declining ratings. Obviously you'll get the odd show like Game of Thrones or Walking Dead that get great ratings but that is rare.

As I said WWE made more money then ever last year and year before that. If a company just had its best money making year is that failing. Why change the product?

Ironic? No really. Your point is about complaining yet still watching was a lie. I made the point of people that it isn't. Yes I'm whinging about people whinging about the product. I'm not moaning about the product every week. I enjoy the product and talking about it. Has been occasions I got bored and stopped watching. Do you not think thats ironic people hating the current product, talking about falling ratings and then watching the next week.

 

[phelans shorts]

WWE's ratings have pulled away at the top compared to the rest of USA Network's ratings.

 

[Razvan]

Bryan Alvarez's rant from tonight's Fast Lane recap show

https://clyp.it/nuagvda2

 

[Dirty Schwein]

Calm down guys it's just wrestling. It's all fake.

 

[K2K]

Fine people do watch live TV but you cannot argue the way people watch it very different to even 2 or 3 years ago. TV ratings over past 2 years has declined 10%, NFL ratings for example was down 9% from last year, you not gonna say NFL is in decline because of poor ratings. Just google the topic and you'll see many reports of declining ratings. Obviously you'll get the odd show like Game of Thrones or Walking Dead that get great ratings but that is rare.

As I said WWE made more money then ever last year and year before that. If a company just had its best money making year is that failing. Why change the product?

Ironic? No really. Your point is about complaining yet still watching was a lie. I made the point of people that it isn't. Yes I'm whinging about people whinging about the product. I'm not moaning about the product every week. I enjoy the product and talking about it. Has been occasions I got bored and stopped watching. Do you not think thats ironic people hating the current product, talking about falling ratings and then watching the next week.

You don't get what the irony is.

You mention people complaining about something that annoys them and then continually going back to it. The irony is that what you are complaining about( people going back to Wrestling after complaining about it) is equivalent to what you are doing( whining about people complaining on this thread and then continually coming back to it). Do you get it now?

You cannot simply look at the net profit and automatically call it the greatest year in a company's history. That is because things like inflation generally means that that figure continuously goes up each year.

A smart company doesn't only look in the now. A lot of people complaints lie in the lack of creation of future stars. History has shown time after time that wrestling booms have been built up on creating new stars that were able to captivate their audience. See Rock, Hogan, Austin etc.Imagine the Wrestlemania 17 main event for the title being a rematch between Randy Savage and Red DeBiase(basically some match from a wrestlemania 13 years previously, as we are getting a rematch from one of the worst mania matches from 13 years ago with Brock and Goldberg). In 2001. It would make no sense and creates zero continuity.

It's possible to be a fan of wrestling and a wrestling company without blindly drinking whatever kool-aid they serve you.

 

[K2K]

Calm down guys it's just wrestling. It's all fake.

It's still real to me dammit

 

[Ole'sbodyguard]

You don't get what the irony is.

You mention people complaining about something that annoys them and then continually going back to it. The irony is that what you are complaining about( people going back to Wrestling after complaining about it) is equivalent to what you are doing( whining about people complaining on this thread and then continually coming back to it). Do you get it now?

You cannot simply look at the net profit and automatically call it the greatest year in a company's history. That is because things like inflation generally means that that figure continuously goes up each year.

A smart company doesn't only look in the now. A lot of people complaints lie in the lack of creation of future stars. History has shown time after time that wrestling booms have been built up on creating new stars that were able to captivate their audience. See Rock, Hogan, Austin etc.Imagine the Wrestlemania 17 main event for the title being a rematch between Randy Savage and Red DeBiase(basically some match from a wrestlemania 13 years previously, as we are getting a rematch from one of the worst mania matches from 13 years ago with Brock and Goldberg). In 2001. It would make no sense and creates zero continuity.

It's possible to be a fan of wrestling and a wrestling company without blindly drinking whatever kool-aid they serve you.

In fairness, Rock and Austin in 2001 were much bigger stars than Ted Dibiase and Macho Man. There is no full time wrestler on this roster in 2017 who is a bigger star than Bill Goldberg or Brock Lesnar, or for that matter Undertaker or John Cena(who is now effectively a part-timer). That's why the part-timers are main eventing Mania. Rock and Austin were also seasoned main eventers by WM17 and far from new stars.

BTW - I have long since stopped watching WWE regularly and the only WWE PPV I have watched since last year's Mania is this year's Royal Rumble so it's not as if Brock vs Goldberg is a massive pull for me but it's a bigger match on paper than Orton vs Wyatt or Jericho vs Owens. You have commented on Raw's rating, a lot of that has been with Jericho and KO in the main event. Goldberg at the least has been a rating boost.

From the youtube clips I have watched of Goldberg, he also looks like one of, if not the most, over guy in the company in 2017.

 

[Rooney1987]

You don't get what the irony is.

You mention people complaining about something that annoys them and then continually going back to it. The irony is that what you are complaining about( people going back to Wrestling after complaining about it) is equivalent to what you are doing( whining about people complaining on this thread and then continually coming back to it). Do you get it now?

You cannot simply look at the net profit and automatically call it the greatest year in a company's history. That is because things like inflation generally means that that figure continuously goes up each year.

A smart company doesn't only look in the now. A lot of people complaints lie in the lack of creation of future stars. History has shown time after time that wrestling booms have been built up on creating new stars that were able to captivate their audience. See Rock, Hogan, Austin etc.Imagine the Wrestlemania 17 main event for the title being a rematch between Randy Savage and Red DeBiase(basically some match from a wrestlemania 13 years previously, as we are getting a rematch from one of the worst mania matches from 13 years ago with Brock and Goldberg). In 2001. It would make no sense and creates zero continuity.

It's possible to be a fan of wrestling and a wrestling company without blindly drinking whatever kool-aid they serve you.

Don't be like that.

Your complaining about me complaining about you complaining about the product. Mate I knew what you meant and you got what I was trying to say.

Balor, Owens, Rollins, Reigns have all been champions over past 18 months or so. Daniel Bryan, CM Punk before. From like 2002 to 2013 when we had Angle, Lesner, HHH, Orton and Cena they still turned to HBK, Undertaker, older Rock and even Hulk Hogan during that run to hold the title. Recently they have tried. Sometimes the general audience is different to the internets opinion. Sometimes they don't get it right and have to press the reset button. Like this Goldberg/Lesner feud. Speaking to casual fans it's a big deal. I know minority but I think Universal title could do with a feud like Goldberg/Lesner it will make the title feel bigger. Assuming Lesner wins I think they know they didn't start well with Universal title make it big and the pay off for Owens or Balor or whoever it is will be huge.

As I said I have at times stopped watching when bored of it. I just think wrestling fans just complain too much ( yes I do get that irony with my posts above).

 

[Dirty Schwein]

In fairness, Rock and Austin in 2001 were much bigger stars than Ted Dibiase and Macho Man. There is no full time wrestler on this roster in 2017 who is a bigger star than Bill Goldberg or Brock Lesnar, or for that matter Undertaker or John Cena(who is now effectively a part-timer). That's why the part-timers are main eventing Mania. Rock and Austin were also seasoned main eventers by WM17 and far from new stars.

BTW - I have long since stopped watching WWE regularly and the only WWE PPV I have watched since last year's Mania is this year's Royal Rumble so it's not as if Brock vs Goldberg is a massive pull for me but it's a bigger match on paper than Orton vs Wyatt or Jericho vs Owens. You have commented on Raw's rating, a lot of that has been with Jericho and KO in the main event. Goldberg at the least has been a rating boost.

From the youtube clips I have watched of Goldberg, he also looks like one of, if not the most, over guy in the company in 2017.

This is the problem. The part timers get in the way of their development. How will the likes of AJ and KO become household names if they're going to be booked as mid-card matches on the grandest stage?

 

[Sylar]

From the youtube clips I have watched of Goldberg, he also looks like one of, if not the most, over guy in the company in 2017.

He is. Tonight will be interesting cos its in Chicago, but then thats never the best crowd to judge it on. The only city I remember Goldberg being booed in was in Brocks home town, and even then it was more the mention of Goldberg rather than Goldberg himself. And it was when Brock and Heyman were in the ring.


Anyway, the majority of people who complain will still come back or still watch. Because 1 oe 2% dont, thats not a huge number overall. and not huge enough for WWE to change that.

Dont get me wrong, I hate part timers taking so much tv time, getting titles, but at the same time, I sorta understand why Vince does it.

 

[VP89]

Anyone tuning into Raw now?

 

[VP89]

This opening segment is better than anything Brock and Goldberg have ever done in their cumulative rivalries against each other.

 

[Earthquake]

This opening segment is better than anything Brock and Goldberg have ever done in their cumulative rivalries against each other.

Absolutely.

Jericho should start a security firm, his crowd control is unparalleled.

 

[Sylar]

Crowd is hot tonight, but it is Chicago.

But starting Raw with Jericho and Owens talking was a good idea. They are just both so good on the mic.