We’ll sell in the summer and the budget will be adequate regardless who the owners are. Ten Hag took the job knowing who the owners were so if they’re still here it won’t make a difference to him.
Yeah, they are obviously already tapping up Edin Terzic. :thinking:
If you look at his Chelsea days, he had a month or two after joining where they improved but after that he reverted to a similar win rate to Lampard. I think people rate him because he acts like Klopp.
I kid you not, I remember a poster saying they rated Tuchel because he was ‘active on the touchline’ and Ole wasn’t.
I posted this a couple of years ago. Tuchel vs Lampard at Chelsea. Take out Tuchel's new manager bounce and he was actually worse than Lampard for much of their respective tenures. Yet one is a laughing stock and the other is a world class coach?
He is extremely fortunate to have joined late in the season and won that CL. His entire reputation is built on it.
So you cut out Tuchel's best period and you cut out Lampard's worst period and then you think that's a suitable basis for a comparison?
If Bayern should take their next manager from another BL club, I would bet on Xabi Alonso.
He surely seems like the most likely candidate - in this unlikely scenario - but even with redcafe IQ it must be a bit too much of a stretch, to call a team that probably hasn't finished within 15 points of Bayern in 10 years a direct rival.
Looking at some discussions on here I am quite sure that some posters would not even realize that Bayer and Bayern are not the same club, so I have to respectfully disagree here.
Or you could look at it as cutting out the 10 games or so around the manager change. For three quarters of the season they were on the same points per game.
Focus on your job and next season, we'll make sure it'll be two seasons in a row without a league title for Bayern!
He's not going to get sacked this season no matter what happens. He wasn't signed to save this season, which was going fine, but to prevent him from going anywhere else.
I wouldn't rule anything out to be honest. I absolutely love it but what's happening at Bayern is total madness and I imagine some of those responsible for that would do everything to distract from themselves. Hoeneß is still pulling the strings and he seems to have lost the plot completely at this point if there was any truth to the rumours about his son as Kahn's successor.
Brazzo might be my favourite person in the world right now!No one currently in charge at the club could afford to sack Tuchel, it would basically finalize the Nagelsmann sacking as one of the worst management decisions in the history of the club. They will stick with him and hope he turns it around, so they can ride out the pressure.I wouldn't rule anything out to be honest. I absolutely love it but what's happening at Bayern is total madness and I imagine some of those responsible for that would do everything to distract from themselves. Hoeneß is still pulling the strings and he seems to have lost the plot completely at this point if there was any truth to the rumours about his son as Kahn's successor.
There appears to be so much club politics right now that it wouldn't surprise me if Tuchel indeed became another pawn, even if it makes no sense for the club at all.
Beautiful to see, really
I'm sure the world cup didn't help, but the problems, e.g. Mane not working out and Bayern lacking a Lewandowski replacement as a consequence, were already visible before. And the bad impact was not inevitable, Brandt, Süle and Schlotterbeck were part of the same WC outfit, Schlotterbeck even had a highly visible mistake and they became the backbone of Dortmund's 2023 success.
Bayern has two major groups, the German and the French players. All were mentally down after the WC. The only player with a positive experience was Mazraoui and he was out for months.
The results definitely. Exited the cup (lost at home against Freiburg), exited the CL against City and lost the lead in the league.
He has managed Mainz' best ever BL season and Dortmund's second best ever, and in general his Dortmund side was the last time Dortmund really challenged Bayern head to head (since then they only won a cup in a season Bayern embarassed themselves in the second round and nothing else).
“Never” might be an exaggeration, but it’s interesting that the two examples you have given were both after Klopp and were both at smaller clubs where players might be more inclined to accept an authoritarian approach. (No offense to Dortmund fans, but they are run like a smaller club with no real ambition to win big trophies)
"both after Klopp", as in Klopp finished 4th (in the 2nd division) with Mainz, then another guy coached the entire next season and following pre-season and only then Tuchel took over and had success until the 6th year since Klopp's departure. I take it you were a big Mainz enjoyer at the time?
I would disagree on Dortmund as a club. In the late Klopp and following Tuchel years they absolutely saw themselves as the true and ambitious challenger and wanted to win titles. Settling for being second best happened more recently, during Tuchel's time they were still willing and able to challenge Pep's Bayern, but after the bomb attack and the following dispute between Tuchel and the board this got lost.
That's a fair point I think, he just tends to use a pragmatic approach, not an aesthetically pleasing. I don't think that his personality is a problem however, at least not for the success of his teams.
If he fails at Bayern I will agree. But I won't judge him on this season, as I am convinced that the board messed up by not sacking Nagelsmann far earlier (in fact I think they messed up by signing Nagelsmann at all).
He had two decent finishes prior to that, so it’s not like like they weren’t accustomed to competing before that blip. He did well.
Did you watch Bayern play this season? I can't remember another season where they looked consistenly that vulnerable. In the league they had the worst ppg average since ten years and the only reason it didn't blow up earlier in the season is that Barca and Dortmund usually shit themselves when they have to play against Bayern.
They was still digging out the results though at the minute they’d struggle against Wrexham theres a massive drop off
Surely your first point would indicate that the start of Dortmund’s decline was Tuchel? The politics and fractured relationship with the board was a problem that he left, after one cup win and a third place finish.
No I think he was the last one preventing that mental decline from being a true challenger to a distant follower and the clashes with the board partially happened because of that.
I don't even like the guy, but the way you try dismiss the meaning of everything bar his work for Chelsea, where he still won the CL, is ridiculous.
No they weren’t getting results… Dortmund had just gained something like 10 points on them in about 2 months.
The only "luck" involved in that UCL win was for the opposition that we didn't beat them by more.
