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How has he been sacked but Arteta managed to survive the last two seasons?
I remember when I was bantering with Arsenal fans about Lampard being the better of the two. Arteta not only outlasted Lampard but his successor too. We’re just two very different clubs run in very different ways.How has he been sacked but Arteta managed to survive the last two seasons?
Wasn’t Tuchel on board with signing Ronaldo but was talked out of it by Rangnick?I still find it incredible that they wanted Ronaldo and Boehly fell out with the coach over it, when the guy was rejected by just about every major club in Europe this summer and started the season behind Elanga at United. Anyone who knew a dime about football knew that would be a terrible buy, cept the guy currently rebuilding Chelsea apparently.
FFS, I know how it works, I am talking about the dynamics of the relationship between him and the two clubs. How in practicality it will work. Chelsea will will ask for permission to talk to him, If Brighton refuses and Potter do that anyway by triggering his buyout contract, then Potter is bypassing his club, and that is a one way road for him in his relation with his club and and the fans.That's not how a buyout clause works.
Perceptions. Even when Arsenal were doing atrociously, Arteta somehow gave off this notion to a lot of the media [and the Arsenal fanbase] to "Trust the Process".How has he been sacked but Arteta managed to survive the last two seasons?
Considering how well Brighton runs, they must have prepared for the situation like this. Interesting to see who they will go for as replacement. There are many exciting new generation of managers but it’s always hard to know if they can make the step up.Global radio stations saying Brighton have given them permission to talk to Potter - sounds like preparations must have been under way for a while so it's odd they let him splurge all that money just a few days ago... mind you one of those was Cucurella so I hope he didn't upset Potter on the way out otherwise he's going to be playing with the reserves for a while ha ha
What I don't get is why is Arteta still praised after 3 years of complete mediocrity, whilst we were mocked under Mourinho when he finished 2nd whilst winning Europa League and Carabao cup in the same season. Sure, he had his usual meltdown and deserved to get sacked but it's insane to me that he was seen by many as a failure at united whilst arteta with a bunch of 5th, 6th place finishes and a fecking fa in 3 years cup gets a pass.How has he been sacked but Arteta managed to survive the last two seasons?
And the cycle continuesHe won't last. I cannot fathom apart from money, why any self respecting manager would even bother taking the Chelsea gig. No matter what, they will be sacked eventually.
No one said otherwise? But Auba will be useful for the team even without Tuchel present.You're very naive to think that Tuchel had nothing to do with Aubamayang going to Chelsea
A few days ago he was a big favourite with all our Chelsea fans too. Now they all say they wanted rid of him (except @WeePat)Funny how quickly things change. A year ago he was a big favourite on here.
Boehly and Clearlake, people with zero football background, gave unlimited power in the window to a Champions League-winning coach - quelle horreur!We’ll that’s not fair. New Owners generally get to pick the people that lead their team. They could have gone a different direction right away. But instead they tried to give him nearly unlimited power in the window. He complained about it, and then he threw tantrums.
You don't know any of thatThey are rebuilding the entire organization, from the scouting department on up. And I dont think their DoF candidates would want Tuchel either. They went out of their way to extend a hand and he kept biting it.
Yeah, the players stopped playing for him. He didn't become a bad coach overnight - it's not like he lost the ability to coach, form a coherent plan, or organize a side. It's the players who threw him under the bus! This is a power struggle - your new players got 6-7 year contracts and suddenly feel untouchable. If the player is the asset, the coach is dispensable.Forget results, if you watched us play: the negativity, the disorganization, the seeming lack of a coherent plan, the manic behavior … would YOU want him?
Then why didn't they get rid of Tuchel in May, hire THEIR coach, and conduct the transfer strategy accordingly? What if the new coach doesn't like Fofana, Aubameyang, Koulibabaly, etc, are they getting sold?Tuchel has worn out his welcome nearly everywhere he’s been for similar reasons. Clearlake has a track record of extreme patience with their managers. But Tuchel isn’t THEIR manager. And the fact they still backed him SO much … they practically begged him to win them over. But Tuchel couldn’t help himself. He reverted to form and pouted over every tiny detail and wire down everyone around him mentally.
Tbf context is very important. It's Brighton and they weren't as feared team as they are now, under Potter.He has a 60% win rate as Chelsea manager. Potter (who I do rate) has just over 30% at Brighton. Not sure he's ready to make that step up to what managing Chelsea requires.
I feel like Chelsea's ownership has made a big mistake here.
Tuchel had difficulties with Dortmund top management, he had difficulties with PSG top management, despite taking them to a CL final, and he’s had difficulties with Chelsea owners now.This doesn't reflect entirely well on Boehly, I think. Sacked most of the key management, and then has to sack the manager 6 games into the season. That doesn't look like good handling of the transitional situation.
That being said, Tuchel has been looking increasingly out of control, and the downturn really goes back to late last season. Still a big surprise though. That he'd be gone before Rodgers or Lampard, I never would have thought it.
@WeePat isn't a gloryhunter or fickle. He has experienced Claude Julien and Michel Therrien.A few days ago he was a big favourite with all our Chelsea fans too. Now they all say they wanted rid of him (except @WeePat)
Sad really as he was brilliant during the Russia/Roman ownership distraction and managed to get them to top 4 along with the two cup finals.
Short memories some have.
Yeah, he is an excellent coach but he can't let things go, if anything is done in a way that he specifically disprove he focuses on it. I haven't followed Chelsea closely since he joined them but in previous clubs one of the consequences was that he would change systems and tactics very often, sometimes several times within the first game. Now because his players are well trained it wasn't a disaster but it must be unsettling for them and if I remember correctly it was a grievance that was known when he was at Dortmund.Tuchel had difficulties with Dortmund top management, he had difficulties with PSG top management, despite taking them to a CL final, and he’s had difficulties with Chelsea owners now.
I think he’s a damn fine tactician, excellent at organizing a side, but he’s the new Conte, isn’t he? He only sees his player’s faults, not their strengths, and those faults become more pronounced in his mind, the longer he spends with them.
Really surprised.
What those higher up is doing, nobody knows. This is just wierd, unless there was big argument behind doors.
I guess his maid in London will receive 1 million pounds any moment now.
Do we have confirmation of any of it anywhere? The CR7 story?Todd Boehly wanted CR7. He'd as good as done the deal with Mendes. He was intoxicated by the thought of new revenue streams, the social media clicks, the glamour, the shared legacy of association with greatness...
Tuchel was fundamentally opposed to bringing Ronaldo into his dressing room. The footballing side of the club backed TT. Boehly didn't like the power that the manager wielded at his newly purchased club. He waited for TT to under perform and sacked him after the first hiccup.
Boehly has messed up massively. They will not find a better coach. Not to mention a squad assembled to fit into TT's system.
That’s big if true.Todd Boehly wanted CR7. He'd as good as done the deal with Mendes. He was intoxicated by the thought of new revenue streams, the social media clicks, the glamour, the shared legacy of association with greatness...
Tuchel was fundamentally opposed to bringing Ronaldo into his dressing room. The footballing side of the club backed TT. Boehly didn't like the power that the manager wielded at his newly purchased club. He waited for TT to under perform and sacked him after the first hiccup.
Boehly has messed up massively. They will not find a better coach. Not to mention a squad assembled to fit into TT's system.
But he's a very generous man, not going to lie.
Todd BoehlyWhat were the full reasons for his depression of late? Annoyed with transfers, annoyed with the owners, just a bit of a prat?
Once managers start heading down that road they usually don't last long. You can't really give the impression you are turning the ship around when you're acting quite as sullen as he has.
Him and Rodgers seem to be asking for a sacking.
That was a great post by me I must admit.And the cycle continues
Ornstein has a piece on it and this. It seems that the owner doesn't like it when he doesn't get his own way. This will be a disaster for CFC in footballing terms, and you can see them coming in for Ronaldo again in January.Do we have confirmation of any of it anywhere? The CR7 story?
Not only that they’ll need to replace Kante and Jorginho in the summer (both have expiring contracts are are muted to want to move on). They also need a CF and to look at replacing Ziyech and Pulisic etc.They're in a real mess. 200m+ spent with his blessing and the next manger needing to integrate it. The other major concern is I don't think they've bought particularly well.
Utter nonsense.A few days ago he was a big favourite with all our Chelsea fans too. Now they all say they wanted rid of him (except @WeePat)