Transfer fantasy draft

[Balu]

As a newbie in these drafts, I thought that better rely on partnership than 2 random defenders. I agree with you completely but I am not sure what to do.

Don't care too much about what others think and start by building a team that you like and that you don't mind defending against criticism. I think that's the best way to have fun in these drafts.

 

[walkinhop]

Don't care too much about what others think and start by building a team that you like and that you don't mind defending against criticism. I think that's the best way to have fun in these drafts.

I see what you mean. Also, I am planning to put 2 strong DMs in front of the back 4 so as to negate Barca's supposed "not that good" defense.

 

[The Red Viper]

Strikers/Finishers:
Oleh Protasov - 10m - Stobzilla - 08:12
Cantona-10m-MJJ


Wingers/Side midfielders:



Trequartistas/Attacking midfielders:



Playmakers:
Totti - 10m - Pippa - 16:00



Defensive/Central midfielders:

(TP) Iniesta - 20m - Pippa - 16:00
Deschamps - 10m - Annah - 17:08
Luiz Enrique - 10m - VivaCrappy - 20.17
Steven Gerrard - 10m - Sammer's Hammer - 10:00


Full-backs:

(TP) Zanetti - 35m - Pippa - 16.00
Juan Pablo Sorin - 10m - Walkin - 09:35
Zabaleta - 10m - Walkin - 09:35
Camacho - 30m - Sammer's Hammer - 10:00 @Isotope


Centre-backs:

Carles Puyol - 10m - Walkin - 09:35
Pique - 10m - Walkin - 09:35

GKs
Kopke - 10m - NoPace - 17:22

 

[walkinhop]

Strikers/Finishers:
Oleh Protasov - 10m - Stobzilla - 08:12
Cantona-10m-MJJ


Wingers/Side midfielders:



Trequartistas/Attacking midfielders:



Playmakers:
Totti - 10m - Pippa - 16:00



Defensive/Central midfielders:

(TP) Iniesta - 20m - Pippa - 16:00
Deschamps - 10m - Annah - 17:08
Luiz Enrique - 10m - VivaCrappy - 20.17
Dunga - 10m - Walkin - 09:55
Mascherano - 10m - Walkin - 09:55


Full-backs:

(TP) Zanetti - 35m - Pippa - 16.00
Juan Pablo Sorin - 10m - Walkin - 09:35
Zabaleta - 10m - Walkin - 09:35
Camacho - 30m - Sammer's Hammer - 10:00



Centre-backs:

Carles Puyol - 10m - Walkin - 09:35
Pique - 10m - Walkin - 09:35

GKs
Kopke - 10m - NoPace - 17:22

 

[Isotope]

Feck you @Sammer's Hammer . 30m for Camacho? I am out!!

 

[walkinhop]

Strikers/Finishers:
Oleh Protasov - 10m - Stobzilla - 08:12
Cantona-10m-MJJ


Wingers/Side midfielders:



Trequartistas/Attacking midfielders:



Playmakers:
Totti - 10m - Pippa - 16:00
Krasimir Balakov - Walkin - 10:04


Defensive/Central midfielders:

(TP) Iniesta - 20m - Pippa - 16:00
Deschamps - 10m - Annah - 17:08
Luiz Enrique - 10m - VivaCrappy - 20.17
Dunga - 10m - Walkin - 09:55
Mascherano - 10m - Walkin - 09:55


Full-backs:

(TP) Zanetti - 35m - Pippa - 16.00
Juan Pablo Sorin - 10m - Walkin - 09:35
Zabaleta - 10m - Walkin - 09:35
Camacho - 30m - Sammer's Hammer - 10:00



Centre-backs:

Carles Puyol - 10m - Walkin - 09:35
Pique - 10m - Walkin - 09:35

GKs
Kopke - 10m - NoPace - 17:22

 

[VivaJanuzaj]

As a newbie in these drafts, I thought that better rely on partnership than 2 random defenders. I agree with you completely but I am not sure what to do.

Just go with your logic, every draft certain players you'll play and in other teams will get a stick, than you learn which player is rated at the caf and which isn't, and learn a whole lot about past players.

 

[walkinhop]

Just go with your logic, every draft certain players you'll play and in other teams will get a stick, than you learn which player is rated at the caf and which isn't, and learn a whole lot about past players.

Yeah, thats what I am going to do. The experience is what matters in the end. Every draft will give me more and more knowledge. For that, I am very excited.

 

[walkinhop]

Strikers/Finishers:
Oleh Protasov - 10m - Stobzilla - 08:12
Cantona-10m-MJJ
Drogba - 10m - Walkin - 10:17


Wingers/Side midfielders:

Figo - 10m - Walkin - 10:17
Ljungberg - 10m - Walkin - 10:12



Trequartistas/Attacking midfielders:



Playmakers:
Totti - 10m - Pippa - 16:00
Krasimir Balakov - Walkin - 10:04


Defensive/Central midfielders:

(TP) Iniesta - 20m - Pippa - 16:00
Deschamps - 10m - Annah - 17:08
Luiz Enrique - 10m - VivaCrappy - 20.17
Dunga - 10m - Walkin - 09:55
Mascherano - 10m - Walkin - 09:55


Full-backs:

(TP) Zanetti - 35m - Pippa - 16.00
Juan Pablo Sorin - 10m - Walkin - 09:35
Zabaleta - 10m - Walkin - 09:35
Camacho - 30m - Sammer's Hammer - 10:00



Centre-backs:

Carles Puyol - 10m - Walkin - 09:35
Pique - 10m - Walkin - 09:35
Chiellini- 10m - Walkin - 10:24

GKs
Kopke - 10m - NoPace - 17:22

 

[RoadTrip]

I cannot believe Figo didn't get picked - 6TP points or not. I'm glad someone is picking him up.

 

[crappycraperson]

Removing Bought players
Strikers/Finishers:

Cantona-10m-MJJ
Drogba - 10m - Walkin - 10:17


Wingers/Side midfielders:

Figo - 10m - Walkin - 10:17
Ljungberg - 10m - Walkin - 10:12



Trequartistas/Attacking midfielders:



Playmakers:

Krasimir Balakov - Walkin - 10:04


Defensive/Central midfielders:


Dunga - 10m - Walkin - 09:55
Mascherano - 10m - Walkin - 09:55


Full-backs:


Juan Pablo Sorin - 10m - Walkin - 09:35
Zabaleta - 10m - Walkin - 09:35
Camacho - 30m - Sammer's Hammer - 10:00



Centre-backs:

Carles Puyol - 10m - Walkin - 09:35
Pique - 10m - Walkin - 09:35
Chiellini- 10m - Walkin - 10:24

GKs

 

[walkinhop]

I cannot believe Figo didn't get picked - 6TP points or not. I'm glad someone is picking him up.

Yeah, from what i understood I can have as many TP points I want, as long as I field a team with no more than 12, correct?

 

[Balu]

Yeah, thats what I am going to do. The experience is what matters in the end. Every draft will give me more and more knowledge. For that, I am very excited.

By far the best football discussions on the Caf are happening here in these drafts. Some of the games end up being a bit annoying, but overall it's a brilliant experience.

 

[Balu]

Yeah, from what i understood I can have as many TP points as long as I field a team with no more than 12, correct?

Yes.

 

[walkinhop]

Yes.

So, it turns out waiting a bit gave me a bit more freedom. Getting a larger squad, hopefully, will allow me to adapt to the situation.

 

[Balu]

So, it turns out waiting a bit gave me a bit more freedom. Getting a larger squad, hopefully, will allow me to adapt to the situation.

Yeah, you can pick up a few quality players cheap and still save some money for the next round, in case you go through, so that you have a significant advantage then.

 

[Isotope]

Strikers/Finishers:

Cantona-10m-MJJ
Drogba - 10m - Walkin - 10:17


Wingers/Side midfielders:

Figo - 10m - Walkin - 10:17
Ljungberg - 10m - Walkin - 10:12



Trequartistas/Attacking midfielders:



Playmakers:

Krasimir Balakov - Walkin - 10:04


Defensive/Central midfielders:


Dunga - 10m - Walkin - 09:55
Mascherano - 10m - Walkin - 09:55


Full-backs:


Juan Pablo Sorin - 10m - Walkin - 09:35
Zabaleta - 10m - Walkin - 09:35
Camacho - 30m - Sammer's Hammer - 10:00
Benarrivo - 10m - Isotope - 11:00



Centre-backs:

Carles Puyol - 10m - Walkin - 09:35
Pique - 10m - Walkin - 09:35
Chiellini- 10m - Walkin - 10:24

GKs

 

[walkinhop]

@Isotope What exactly happened here?

 

[VivaJanuzaj]

Team VivaCrappy:

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Riquelme or Luis Enrique will be decided based on the opposition.

Thoughts?

 

[Balu]

Team VivaCrappy:

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Riquelme or Luis Enrique will be decided based on the opposition.

Thoughts?

I hope I don't have to play against your team. Though I think that about basically all teams that were posted so far

 

[RoadTrip]

@Isotope What exactly happened here?

confused the feck out of me too.

 

[RoadTrip]

Strikers/Finishers:

Cantona-10m-MJJ
Drogba - 10m - Walkin - 10:17
(TP) Henry - 10m - rpitroda - 11:11


Wingers/Side midfielders:
Ljungberg - 10m - Walkin - 10:12
(TP) Figo - 15m - rpitroda - 11:11 @walkinhop



Trequartistas/Attacking midfielders:



Playmakers:

Krasimir Balakov - Walkin - 10:04


Defensive/Central midfielders:


Dunga - 10m - Walkin - 09:55
Mascherano - 10m - Walkin - 09:55
Gascoigne - 10m - 11:16


Full-backs:


Juan Pablo Sorin - 10m - Walkin - 09:35
Zabaleta - 10m - Walkin - 09:35
Camacho - 30m - Sammer's Hammer - 10:00
Benarrivo - 10m - Isotope - 11:00
(TP) Dani Alves - 10m - rpitroda - 11:11



Centre-backs:

Carles Puyol - 10m - Walkin - 09:35
Pique - 10m - Walkin - 09:35
Chiellini- 10m - Walkin - 10:24

GKs

 

[crappycraperson]

@Annahnomoss - Can we have a rule specifying the minimum amount for transfers between managers as 5 or 10m? It is your call but I don't see the point in 10m auction bid rule when managers can buy/sell players for even 1m. Even 5m work worn on some level at least

 

[walkinhop]

@rpitroda Can you up your bid for Figo please? I dont want to rely on my wage structure and agent bonuses in order to bring him.

 

[Annahnomoss]

By far the best football discussions on the Caf are happening here in these drafts. Some of the games end up being a bit annoying, but overall it's a brilliant experience.

@walkinhop Some people tend to play the game by trying to adjust as much as possible to what "the caf" thinks as a whole to try and get as many votes as possible. Others has their own opinion on players and try to reason with the voters instead and focus on getting the best out of their team. No right or wrong, two completely different ways to play the same game.

You will quickly realize that the average football forum member will have opinions based on generalizations on players pretty much. So even if Seedorf played plenty as a left midfielder in his career, the generalization says he is a central player or part of a diamond - so people will not rate him at all as a right/left midfielder even if in reality he could play there.

That leaves you with two options, prove your point and hope enough voters listen or just try to please the voters.

 

[crappycraperson]

@walkinhop Some people tend to play the game by trying to adjust as much as possible to what "the caf" thinks as a whole to try and get as many votes as possible. Others has their own opinion on players and try to reason with the voters instead and focus on getting the best out of their team. No right or wrong, two completely different ways to play the same game.

You will quickly realize that the average football forum member will have opinions based on generalizations on players pretty much. So even if Seedorf played plenty as a left midfielder in his career, the generalization says he is a central player or part of a diamond - so people will not rate him at all as a right/left midfielder even if in reality he could play there.

That leaves you with two options, prove your point and hope enough voters listen or just try to please the voters.

Yeah good summary. I try to balance the two approaches personally.

 

[Annahnomoss]

Yeah good summary. I try to balance the two approaches personally.

I think that is the best idea but it is extremely hard. It is hard to know that player X is fully capable of being played in a certain way and then say no to him because scan-voters knows him for another position and you know it will be brought up.

If you have another option which is as good, and scan-vote friendly then that is of course bloody brilliant but we are not that lucky all the time.

 

[VivaJanuzaj]

I personally try to stick to my own truth. I don't think a player should be limited for what he's done or hasn't done. Last draft I played Lucho as RW because I believed there's no reason he couldn't excel in that position after doing it so well at AM and LW and with the players around him and the tactics, although one of his worst seasons in the career possibly came from RW, doesn't really matter to me. I stick to my own logic

 

[Annahnomoss]

@Annahnomoss - Can we have a rule specifying the minimum amount for transfers between managers as 5 or 10m? It is your call but I don't see the point in 10m auction bid rule when managers can buy/sell players for even 1m. Even 5m work worn on some level at least

There are no limitations on fees and clauses, what Balu and Rpitroda(I think) was perfectly fine and no minimum fees will be imposed. The more rules, the more rules there are to break which would result in a possibly ruined draft like last time. If everything is allowed, we avoid controversy.

 

[VivaJanuzaj]

Done with transfers and auction
1. Aldo
2. Cutch
3. Kazi
4. Balu/Pedro
5. VivaCrappy

 

[Annahnomoss]

There are no limitations on fees and clauses, what Balu and Rpitroda(I think) was perfectly fine and no minimum fees will be imposed. The more rules, the more rules there are to break which would result in a possibly ruined draft like last time. If everything is allowed, we avoid controversy.

Of course stuff like managing two teams and trading between them for your benefit isn't allowed.

 

[Annahnomoss]

Done with transfers and auction
1. Aldo
2. Cutch
3. Kazi
4. Balu/Pedro
5. VivaCrappy
6. Annah

 

[RoadTrip]

@walkinhop

Sorry. My mistake. Adjusted.

 

[VivaJanuzaj]

Team VivaCrappy:

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Riquelme or Luis Enrique will be decided based on the opposition.

Thoughts?

Any more comments? Weaknesses? Strengths? drooling?

 

[Balu]

@Annahnomoss - Can we have a rule specifying the minimum amount for transfers between managers as 5 or 10m? It is your call but I don't see the point in 10m auction bid rule when managers can buy/sell players for even 1m. Even 5m work worn on some level at least

You really need to run one of these auction drafts yourself. Would be interesting to see which approach is more fun, the one with strict rules but arguably more fair or the open to all those shady deals approach we have here.

 

[Cutch]

Team VivaCrappy:

Spoiler

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Riquelme or Luis Enrique will be decided based on the opposition.

Thoughts?

Riquelme all day long. He's got the perfect platform infront and behind to strut his stuff. Beautiful.

 

[Annahnomoss]

I personally try to stick to my own truth. I don't think a player should be limited for what he's done or hasn't done. Last draft I played Lucho as RW because I believed there's no reason he couldn't excel in that position after doing it so well at AM and LW and with the players around him and the tactics, although one of his worst seasons in the career possibly came from RW, doesn't really matter to me. I stick to my own logic

I can accept that sort of logic, not that it will be the player in his proven peak but if a player has played RM and LB in his peak, then I won't argue he can't play RB either because to me it seems like he most likely could.

I think a big factor that causes vastly different opinions on players and tactics is what a "peak" is defined as and how long one assumes the team has played together. If one assumes they are all bought to a team and are fielded after a week in the desired tactics - the manager will rate partnerships and the player being proven in the exact role he is played as.

If one assumes the manager has 6 months or a season, which I think most people assume - then these pure fantasy like teams are much more rated over proven partnerships. Players can then also play in different formations and tactics much easier. A player who never did pressing in his life may be said to do pressing for a team and so forth.

Personally I look at the team and assume they are given 1-2 months of training together in the system with the team mates around them.

All in all, it makes it a bit tedious in the long run as every single manager and voter has his own completely free definition of these things. You win the vote of one person because he considers Nani's 18 month peak to be enough and you lose another vote because he considers 18 month to short and is instead looking at a 4 year period.

Possibly something for another draft. Defining the term "peak" and how much time one is to assume the teams have got to train the system they will play.

 

[Gio]

I remember that. Denmark still needed a point to qualify for the worldcup in '86. Hoeneß came up with the idea that he should play both games. The Danish coach agreed to sub him off as soon as the game is decided and Hoeneß waited on the sidelines to bring him home as soon as possible. In the 2nd half Denmark took the lead, Lerby ran off the pitch and they had a police escort to the airport, private jet to Düsseldorf and then by car to Bochum. A few km away from the Stadium they drove into a traffic jam and Lerby jumped out of the car and ran the last 2 km. He arrived 5 minutes before the game started and Udo Lattek told him he's too late, he can't start in the game . I think he was subbed on in the 2nd half, the game ended in a draw and had to be replayed 5 days later.

Mental stuff.

Yeah, his second game also went to extra time. Briliant story that reflects what he was like as a player.

 

[Gio]

Possibly something for another draft. Defining the term "peak" and how much time one is to assume the teams have got to train the system they will play.

We've done that before. I think in the all-time Premiership draft players needed 100 games to qualify - and that was used as a basis for judging peak form. Three seasons is usually enough to separate the one-season wonders from the genuine class.

 

[crappycraperson]

You really need to run one of these auction drafts yourself. Would be interesting to see which approach is more fun, the one with strict rules but arguably more fair or the open to all those shady deals approach we have here.

My auction draft would be like WW games. No PMs allowed between the participating managers. All the deals to be thrashed out in open in the thread