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Imagine that both Martial and Rashford are not available for a PL game, especially a game against top 6. So, we play Arsenal, they field Auba, Pepe and possibly Lacazette. We counter them with James, Mason and Lingard? Those 3 wouldn't scare Palace, let alone better teams. Alexis was a terrible signing but he can still perform in some games. Remember City away in April 2018?
Alexis doesn't scare anyone in the PL these days either, what has he done since City away April 2018?
 

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Alexis doesn't scare anyone in the PL these days either
Conte disagrees. Let's see whether he is as bad at Inter as he was here. Or the problems in our attack run deeper than having Sanchez and Lukaku.
 

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He played as a striker at the Copa and did pretty well, many see him having no future at the top level except as a striker.
Yeah he did okay as a striker for Arsenal too but he never did for us. Reports say he he's a loner. Probably the one friend he had in the team was Lukaku, another outcast who's gone now. He completely fecked up our wage structure which also had a big impact on our team. His presence here does so much damage it would take prime-Hazard levels of performance from him to make up for it and that's never going to happen.

Imagine that both Martial and Rashford are not available for a PL game, especially a game against top 6. So, we play Arsenal, they field Auba, Pepe and possibly Lacazette. We counter them with James, Mason and Lingard? Those 3 wouldn't scare Palace, let alone better teams. Alexis was a terrible signing but he can still perform in some games. Remember City away in April 2018?
As if a past it Alexis Sanchez who has done absolutely feck all since that ONE game he played well in for us a year and a half ago would scare anyone let alone Arsenal? They have a better front three than us even if all our players are fit. Does that suck? Yes. Does keeping Alexis change that one bit? No.
 

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Conte disagrees. Let's see whether he is as bad at Inter as he was here. Or the problems in our attack run deeper than having Sanchez and Lukaku.
Its not the PL and we all know the issues run deeper than them.
 

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With letting Lukaku, Sanchez, Herrera, Fellaini leave without replacing them Ole is saying that he is rebilding the team and shouldn't be judged harshly if the results are not that great. He is in for a shock if he believes that playing youngsters would make fans and board happy if the results are not good.
 

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With letting Lukaku, Sanchez, Herrera, Fellaini leave without replacing them Ole is saying that he is rebilding the team and shouldn't be judged harshly if the results are not that great. He is in for a shock if he believes that playing youngsters would make fans and board happy if the results are not good.
Not sure the fans will turn on him for playing kids, but if the results are bad the media pressure will be bad. Then the board will be put on the spot. Do they sack him and risk the wrath of the fans or back him. It could turn out great in the long run, but it could also be disastrous.
 

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Not sure the fans will turn on him for playing kids, but if the results are bad the media pressure will be bad. Then the board will be put on the spot. Do they sack him and risk the wrath of the fans or back him. It could turn out great in the long run, but it could also be disastrous.
Fans are very fickle. They won't be happy to see Liverpool going from strength to strength and us langusihing somewhere in midtable playing youngsters. The point of existence of teams like Madrid, Barca and United is to win things, not to develop youngsters. The latter is a nice bonus, nothing more.
 

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Fans are very fickle. They won't be happy to see Liverpool going from strength to strength and us langusihing somewhere in midtable playing youngsters. The point of existence of teams like Madrid, Barca and United is to win things, not to develop youngsters. The latter is a nice bonus, nothing more.
IIRC @Mr. MUJAC posted some time back that around 50% of the first team players who played for ManUtd were promoted from academy. It's the club culture, winning is important and also to maintain the club's history. Some of the greatest players to play for the club were promoted from academy, top 5 players when it comes to most games for ManUtd were from academy.

We should develop youngsters, while also keep the first team strong to compete.
 

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IIRC @Mr. MUJAC posted some time back that around 50% of the first team players who played for ManUtd were promoted from academy. It's the club culture, winning is important and also to maintain the club's history. Some of the greatest players to play for the club were promoted from academy, top 5 players when it comes to most games for ManUtd were from academy.

We should develop youngsters, while also keep the first team strong to compete.
It's a great fact about our history, no doubt. But the globalisation of football and the emergence of top top clubs that sign the best players around makes it very difficult to succeed by developing youngsters, unless they are Messi, Xavi and Iniesta. Let's see what happens this season. Ole must be very optimistic about the youngesters, time will tell whether he is right. What is certain that they will get many chances this season. If we play 55 games, I can see Mason and James starting 20 games (or even more) and Gomes 10-15.
 

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If we're paying 1/3 of his wages without a fixed price for contract buyout, then I guess that's a rather good deal for us.

We get majority of his wages off the books for this season and of he sets things on fire there, we can negotiate a price.
 

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It's a great fact about our history, no doubt. But the globalisation of football and the emergence of top top clubs that sign the best players around makes it very difficult to succeed by developing youngsters, unless they are Messi, Xavi and Iniesta. Let's see what happens this season. Ole must be very optimistic about the youngesters, time will tell whether he is right. What is certain that they will get many chances this season. If we play 55 games, I can see Mason and James starting 20 games (or even more) and Gomes 10-15.
Messi is Messi, there is point debating him but players like Xavi, Iniesta wouldn't have been the same players had Barca went with same attitude like 'we shouldn't develop young players'.
 

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Messi is Messi, there is point debating him but players like Xavi, Iniesta wouldn't have been the same players had Barca went with same attitude like 'we shouldn't develop young players'.
Developng youngsters is a double-edged sword: if they succeed, it's great and sweet, but if they fail to live up to the expectations you have wasted 5 years and start the next rebuilding from a worse position. It's highly risky: you might end up with another class of 92 or with another 5 years without a title.
 

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Developng youngsters is a double-edged sword: if they succeed, it's great and sweet, but if they fail to live up to the expectations you have wasted 5 years and start the next rebuilding from a worse position. It's highly risky: you might end up with another class of 92 or with another 5 years without a title.
Why is it waste of 5 years? It's not like they will be part of first team from day 1 and they won't be stopping you from signing and improving the team. They will get squad places, if they are good, they will be promoted to regular first team. It's so much better than wasting money on signing squad players.
 

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Imagine that both Martial and Rashford are not available for a PL game, especially a game against top 6. So, we play Arsenal, they field Auba, Pepe and possibly Lacazette. We counter them with James, Mason and Lingard? Those 3 wouldn't scare Palace, let alone better teams. Alexis was a terrible signing but he can still perform in some games. Remember City away in April 2018?
Isn't it the same case for everyone ? If Arsenal plays without Auba and Laca, I wouldn't fear them. Same as Liverpool without Mane and Salah.
 

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Why is it waste of 5 years? It's not like they will be part of first team from day 1 and they won't be stopping you from signing and improving the team. They will get squad places, if they are good, they will be promoted to regular first team. It's so much better than wasting money on signing squad players.
Because just as success breeds success, so unsuccess breeds unsuccess: we'd struggle to attract top players if the young andhungry stategy fails. It might feel great to see Mason and Angel starting and developing furhter, but no top 4 this season will most certainly mean that Pogba is off.
 

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Yeah he did okay as a striker for Arsenal too but he never did for us. Reports say he he's a loner. Probably the one friend he had in the team was Lukaku, another outcast who's gone now. He completely fecked up our wage structure which also had a big impact on our team. His presence here does so much damage it would take prime-Hazard levels of performance from him to make up for it and that's never going to happen.
I agree with what you've said - the point was you'd said he wasn't a striker, but a past-it LW. I agree he hasn't done it for United and feel there was clear evidence he'd slowed down at Arsenal well before he was signed. I agree he's damaging to the dressing room as well. But Inter will use him as a striker and I imagine he'll be good for a few goals for them in that position. At United, if there really was no way to reintegrate him and no sign in training he was going to be a better option than Greenwood, Chong, Gomes, in those attacking positions, it makes perfect sense to get rid of him, his wages alone must be so divisive, let alone his lack of performances and his lack of integration.

His best mate at United was Lukaku. That says a lot.
 

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Because just as success breeds success, so unsuccess breeds unsuccess: we'd struggle to attract top players if the young andhungry stategy fails. It might feel great to see Mason and Angel starting and developing furhter, but no top 4 this season will most certainly mean that Pogba is off.
That's a different argument. Manutd should have strong first team and squad positions should be filled by academy players, who if they are good enough should push for first team players. So it's important for clubs like Manutd to win trophies and also develop young players. It's the club culture.
 

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Because just as success breeds success, so unsuccess breeds unsuccess: we'd struggle to attract top players if the young andhungry stategy fails. It might feel great to see Mason and Angel starting and developing furhter, but no top 4 this season will most certainly mean that Pogba is off.
Bet that sounded a lot better in your head.

All top players have come from relatively lowly teams, otherwise they come from the specific academy. You don’t always have to buy players from prime teams to get success, you just have to have a good scouting system. For example, it only took Lewandowski one season before he was netting 20+ goals consistently.
 

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That's a different argument. Manutd should have strong first team and squad positions should be filled by academy players, who if they are good enough should push for first team players. So it's important for clubs like Manutd to win trophies and also develop young players. It's the club culture.
You are right there. They should be slotted into a strong first team. The way it is going we might have to rely on them and that might not be good for them. They will make mistakes and be expected to make mistakes at times, but you don't want them terrified of making a mistake so it stops them being themselves.
 

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Even if everything goes tits up, it could be a good thing, rather see us reaching bottom of the ocean ( for club of our size, not to be relegated ) than to hold onto some wood plank on the surface.

For years people in here were laughing at clubs trying just to stay in PL, not having ambition to progress, we are similar at the moment, just on higher level, where CL money is a goal and nothing else.
 

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Even if everything goes tits up, it could be a good thing, rather see us reaching bottom of the ocean ( for club of our size, not to be relegated ) than to hold onto some wood plank on the surface.

For years people in here were laughing at clubs trying just to stay in PL, not having ambition to progress, we are similar at the moment, just on higher level, were CL money is a goal and nothing else.
Would be interesting to see how the owners react without CL money coming in or even EL money for a time. Scary but interesting.
 

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Would be interesting to see how the owners react without CL money coming in or even EL money for a time. Scary but interesting.
Depends with what they can get away without big of a fuss.

On other side, we will see in Arsenal case, is son of that cnut owner for real with those structural changes in sport departments or just bullshit and feeding fan base enough for them to be satisfied herd.
 

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With letting Lukaku, Sanchez, Herrera, Fellaini leave without replacing them Ole is saying that he is rebilding the team and shouldn't be judged harshly if the results are not that great. He is in for a shock if he believes that playing youngsters would make fans and board happy if the results are not good.
The board are more then likely completely behind him in this scenario, the same as they were with Sir Alex all those years ago.

If a board is smart and they see effective results, they couldn't give two fecks about what the media or the fans say. We are not a PLC so if it means having a shit season to work things out, then so be it.
 

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Really get frustrated when I see this type of signing. We needed a goalscoring winger like him, plays on the right and a reasonable price. Instead Napoli sign him on the cheap, he will have a good season, and his value will be well over £100m. Our scouts are rubbish, simple as that. They haven't got us a gem of a signing in years.
Yep. Was thinking about how much better your team would be if you came up with a few of these types of signings the other day, ones that would have been realistic and affordable.

The ones I came up with were Lozano here, Issa Diop and another Napoli man - Fabian Ruiz. United would look so much stronger if they had those 3 starting instead of Lindelof, McTominay/Lingard and James. But for whatever reason, these types of players aren't being identified or considered.
 

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Really get frustrated when I see this type of signing. We needed a goalscoring winger like him, plays on the right and a reasonable price. Instead Napoli sign him on the cheap, he will have a good season, and his value will be well over £100m. Our scouts are rubbish, simple as that. They haven't got us a gem of a signing in years.
Have you even watched him? He's been rubbish for PSV for months on end and he's not a creative player at all. We have goalscorers who can play on the wing in Rashford and Martial. We lack playmakers like Sancho.
Best part about that article is this :lol::

Wow talk about shutting someone down :lol:
 
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