Yet he has better stats than Thiago this season, in nearly every aspect.
But Thiago is being heralded as the best in the world on here!!
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But Thiago is being heralded as the best in the world on here!!
He really wouldn't...
Goretzka and Kimmich yes, Thiago no.
but... but the weather in munich is so bad!
such a talent and throwing it. If he would have given everything for bayern they would have bought him.
I don’t know how to post pictures, but stats wise Thiago is better at defending than Matic. Playing as a holding midfielder in a team that is going to dominate posession then it comes down to how good your positional awerness is.
I don’t see any problem in playing Bruno and Pogba with Thigo when we already can play those two with Matic. It makes zero sense!
I don’t see any problem in playing Bruno and Pogba with Thigo when we already can play those two with Matic. It makes zero sense!
This. Why buy VdB only to sell Fred and be in no better position than we were before. We have several players surplus to requirements we can sell to raise money. Fred isn’t one of them.You can say what you want about his set pieces and finishing, but his passing isn't as bad as you're making it out to be. In fact, he's a better passer than Matic was last season.
And this is what I observed from him as the season progressed, too. At the start, he struggled to perform well, but after October, he became a much better player. After the lockdown, he was rusty and took a while to get going, but his performances in the Europa League were good.
Most of the time, when Thiago wins possession of the ball, he has a midfielder (Goretzka)/full back (Pavard, Kimmich) beside him who closes down passing options. Recently, when we played a midfield 3 of Pogba-Fred-Bruno, Fred would often be winning the ball by himself in that midfield area whilst Bruno and Pogba would tend to press higher up the pitch.
When you play a midfield 3 where you'd expect two midfielders to be more attacking, the deepest midfielder needs to be quick to cover the ground and strong on the tackle along with being able to read the game well. Thiago is too slow to anchor the midfield on his own and will be left exposed against teams on the break. If we drop back into shape, you'd want the 2nd midfielder to not ball-watch too much. Both Bruno and Pogba tend to ball-watch quite a bit, which is why the opposition tend to target the side where Pogba would play against us. At least a midfielder like Fred, Ndidi, or Casemiro would cover the ground quickly enough, pressure the receiver, and slow down attacks to help the other midfielders get back into position.
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Apparently Gabriel's announcement took a while because he was quarantined.
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Yeah, it seems like we're only going after new CBs to look to the future or add depth if possible.
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after such a long silence, club briefing left right and centre. Must be abit intimidated by all the Chelsea business and trying to keep the muppets onside.
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Might still be Upamecano because does seem some noise around it
Over who?
Great season with 0 goals 0 assists in the league, FA cup and league cup? Playing 37 games as our further forward CM & 10 games as a DM. If that is a great season maybe it shows you why we're not a club at the top any more. He only played well in the Europa with 2 goals & 4 assists in 9 appearances, reminding me of Depay who also did nothing for us outside of the Europa because that was his level at the time. At least Depay had time on his side though, whereas Fred at 27 does not. We need better than "acceptable at Europa league level" players.
That is true. However, it is indisputable that Fred player better than McTominay - so, it is not Fred to be shown the door first
What's all this talk about Fred?
We're judging our central mids in a 4231 on goals and assists, now?
Fred was excellent from around Oct till the lockdown, after which he never really got a chance to get match fitness back.
Some nonsense from turkey about Galatasaray being initially interested in a loan and now possibly to buy him.
There’s been a couple of loan bids from Turkey that we have rejected. They are expected to come back with another bid.
I think Fred goes before mctominay. Can't explain why, but I think it will happen that way around.
Its because we're too sentimental to let McTominay go.
Madness if we let him go.
No it can't be explained.
But yeah that is probably it. Academy graduate, will always get more time at the club.
Why shouldn't we judge a player on their output? He wasn't playing as a holding midfielder for the vast majority of his minutes. He managed 0 goals 0 assists in 2,159 minutes in the league. Goretzka for Bayern plays as a CM in a 4231 and managed 6 goals and 9 assists in 1,513 minutes. We finished our season with no trophies and 66 league points. They won a treble. Mediocre might be fine for you but it's not for me.
It does make sense. Been tracking him for 5-6 years. Longitudinal approach. Same with Van Der Beek apparently. Since he was 18.
He had second most tackles in our team despite starting in just 29 games, that's the output you're looking for, not goals.
Spurs? You mean Chelsea.
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Hirst has been in either Ed or Ole's pocket ever since Ole arrived, so there is at least some truth to it.
I'm seriously confused by this release clause...
That release clause of 37.5M only exists next year, am i right? So these journos have got it all wrong. We will need to pay higher than that if we want him now
Interesting, I think Hirst is generally quite reliable. I imagine we'll have to pay a premium on the release clause (similar to Liverpool with Keita) if we want to get him now though.
So am I... my guess is this will potentially be our first & opening offer
Getting him would be too good to be true surely.
A) you'd expect competition from every club in Europe.
B) that would be close to 100m spent on 2 players. Very unlikely they'd then still be perusing their supposed "number 1 target" in right wing.
Unless they know they can offload all the players for sale (smalling, rojo, jones, lingard, pereira,
Although I guess United know that some of the top clubs aren't spending this summer. So this is the most open market we'll ever have. Don't sign him this summer, you won't get a chance next summer. Would be smart to take advantage. Would we have got Van De Beek in a normal market where Madrid and Barcelona would have £40m to wipe their arses with?
Sancho being a £100m player, can probably be bought next summer for a similar price and just as little competition.
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Is he in the France squad for the Nations League?
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Upamecano would be a great signing. But would it affect us signing Sancho? And would it set us up for a three/five at the back?
Fred is tactically inept, which is a huge problem for any premier league game. He's also 27, and had full seasons, he should play in a more experienced manner than he does.
Mctominay is 23, usually a backup player, and has already shown more maturity to his game.
Mctominay is 23, usually a backup player, and has already shown more maturity to his game.
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