If you want to write the causal chain of events, it starts with the dipshit drug dealer. Without him, the kids either don’t get fake drugs or they get drugs from elsewhere and the cops wouldn’t be going into a situation underprepared depending on what he told them.
Two american tourists jailed for 21 years in Italy after killing an undercover policeman
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The informant wasn’t the dealer. He put the kids in touch with the bloke that sold them aspirin. He was just a go-between in the fake drug deal. Which is a pretty trivial offence.
I wouldn't buy that any more than the jury did.
If somebody stabs you, you loosen your grip immediately. You don't wait for the eleventh go.
Humm lets go with if they dont take a combat knife with them on holiday they dont stab somebody ... 11 times
Makes sense and for all we know he solicited the kids in a club and planted the idea of doing coke.
probably he secretly flew to america and planted the knife in their luggage as well right...
i mean if your gonna make shit up why not go the whole hog
That fecker’s eyes sell this.Humm lets go with if they dont take a combat knife with them on holiday they dont stab somebody ... 11 times
I don’t know man, I find it hard to believe two scrawny high school kids from San Francisco committed premeditated murder in a foreign country.
I did backpacking at a similar age and understand how one sticks out like a sore thumb in a club in Europe.
Stabbing someone 11 times in self defense. Seems a bit sus.
So two undercover police officers with no gun, went a long way to setup a trap, just to retrieve a drug dealer's stollen bag?
Hmm..
Hmm..
They come from a country where weekly we have cops claiming self defense as they empty a gun into an unarmed person, so not surprising.
They aren't going to walk free because they killed someone, unless somehow they can prove the policeman tried to kill them first. At best I can see the charge being downgraded to manslaughter if they can appeal successfully, but they would have to prove that the two cops did not identify themselves and just attacked them. Seeing as they ripped off the dealer earlier, they had every reason to believe there would be some retribution.
The whole story seems insane honestly.
That’s a hell of an assumption to make but even if that’s exactly what happened it wouldn’t put him anywhere near the same level of culpability as the kids who a) stole his belongings and b) stabbed to death the copper who tried to get them back.
When you did backpacking did you carry a 7 inch combat knife around with you... and then did you stick it in somebody 11 times
Im guessing not?...
But if you carry such a weapon and then use it and kill somebody - especially if you stick it in somebody 11 times - i mean its not like he threatened the guy with it... or warned him... or slashed once and ran away... he stuck it in him 11 times
How is than not premeditated murder?
I dont think that well your honour I thought I might stick out like a sore thumb when I was clubbing so figured the laws about carring knifes didnt apply to me and then you know when that police officer tried to arrest me i just paniced a bit and you know got a little bit sorta stabby you know about 11 times is actually a very good defence
I don't think it was premeditated, at least not in the sense that they set out from America or their hotel to kill someone. Just bringing the knife with them does not make it premeditated. I do agree that 11 stabs seems sketchy in terms of self defense.
Where's the blood?Can we change the thread title to two murderers jailed for violent murder?
Is this seen in any as a backlash from the Knox case?
Are these two suffering from simply being other young Americans?
Are these two suffering from simply being other young Americans?
Where you also frequenting the local drug scenes and stealing bags from dealers who stitched you, whilst carrying a combat knife for safety?
Was he all drugged up when he did this ?
I had the same question, but I think I found the answer when I checked the head of the forensic unit
Not but I was solicited every time I had to go use a restroom or take a smoke break with friends. Fortunately, I hung out with better groups I met at hostels. A young American tourist is like bbq chicken to every lowlife out there.
I had the same question, but I think I found the answer when I checked the head of the forensic unit
I understand they may have cleaned it but that handle wrapping is usually made of leather so I'd expect to at least see some staining.Perhaps if these kids had been randomly pulled off the streets and charged with the crime, you could consider it sone sort of payback. Unfortunately these boys (or rather one boy) stabbed a police officer 11 times with a combat knife they'd bought over from the states.
All tourists are bbq chicken in a foreign country. Don't self victimise yourselves, people who are strangers to a city will always be the first to get scammed.
Is the length of the sentence any backlash due to their being young Americans? Is there any sentiment that Knox got off easy & the punishment on these two is harsh or is this a standard punishment length for a crime of this nature?
Americans and brits make themselves less conspicuous due to the language and accents in my experience.
Most people get that and he definitely has to pay for what he did but does the punishment fit the crime ? He's a young boy with his whole life ahead of him. Not saying that he shouldn't be sent to prison but it's not like he it was a coldblooded attack. He was in a somewhat shady situation and being in a foreign country must have added to his panic. I'm sure if he knew that was a cop this whole thing would have played out quite differently. He shouldn't be stabbing anyone but he was obviously reacting to a situation and chose the wrong way out.
I can pick out every non-Italian visitor here, without hearing them say a word. I don't know what it is, they just stand out. I probably stand out too.
Most importantly, does the glove fit the hand?
You must not've met the Dutch brand of loud tourists.
When I was traveling in Europe during college, I’d see some Spanish but they’d travel in mixed groups of guys and girls, same with South Americans but it’s kind of American and Brit thing to have more “guy trips” at that age. I don’t know about other countries but it’s also easy to solicit English speaking people as even the dealers and scammers can speak some broken English and try to communicate that way.
It's a shitty situation all around and one that no one deserved to die. I feel more for the young woman who lost her husband.
The two Americans just fcuked their entire lives up over something stupid. File it under actions have consequences.
The two Americans just fcuked their entire lives up over something stupid. File it under actions have consequences.
He's a young carabiner recently just got married... some thought for him?
Is it the lack of body hair and the fact they're over 5 feet tall?
My experience is the Dutch hating the Brits for being assholes when they come to Amsterdam. I don’t know what the Dutch do when they travel though, my only experience is when I met Ajax fans when they played FC Copenhagen in the Europa league a few years ago. They weren’t as bad as the Atletico Madrid fans.
Who was accompanying a drug dealer that they stole from. They were in plain clothes and had no gun or badge. They said they identified themselves as cops but they could have very well been thugs who this drug dealer hired to hurt them. They attacked first. Do you think this kid knew he was attacking a police officer who just got married ? They thought they were fecked and reacted as such.
They behave like the British tourists in Amsterdam. Drink a lot, loud, annoying, carrying around orange paraphernalia.
I think it's the destination that attracts a certain type of crowd more than anything. I'm sure British people going for a museum tour in Florence are a much different lot than the stoners vomiting in Dutch Airbnbs.
and no pinky ring
The 2 boys arent angels.
The brought a combat knife. They deal coccaine. They robbed the dealer. The even have the guts to meet him again. And fhey finally stabbed the guy 11 times.
The odds of all the above happening to a nice ordinary joes are 1 in a million.
Snorting drugs on holiday? Understandable
Bringing knifes on holiday? Er... hard to understand
Robbing a dealer? That's omar little shit
Actually getting away from it and decided to meet up again with the dealer they just robbed? That's ball of steels there.
Hard to find any defence whatsoever. We're all young and might did one point of the above in the name of stupid youth. But all of the above?
The brought a combat knife. They deal coccaine. They robbed the dealer. The even have the guts to meet him again. And fhey finally stabbed the guy 11 times.
The odds of all the above happening to a nice ordinary joes are 1 in a million.
Snorting drugs on holiday? Understandable
Bringing knifes on holiday? Er... hard to understand
Robbing a dealer? That's omar little shit
Actually getting away from it and decided to meet up again with the dealer they just robbed? That's ball of steels there.
Hard to find any defence whatsoever. We're all young and might did one point of the above in the name of stupid youth. But all of the above?