prtk0811
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Is hurt the right word? They lost money hand over fist for years before FFP the likes of the two Milan clubs. I suspect they're a bit better off now.Italian clubs were hurt the most by FFP.
We're at a point where teams in the Championship have twice as much money to spend as the best teams in the Netherlands or in Portugal. It's ridiculous and it never got to this point before. Teams like Benfica and Ajax build their entire team with a tenth of the money Manchester United spent on Pogba. These aren't nobodies. Benfica puts 60 thousand fans in their stadium every two weeks, the problem is that there's no way to make foreigners watch the league. It's exponential. Premier League is better than the portuguese league so the viewers will watch the Premier League. They get money from the viewers and continue spending it and being better.This never came up when Italy and Spain were the richest clubs and breaking spending records.
Clubs should be able to spend what they can. Then we should be able to bitch about it.
feck Uefa.
It is not ridiculous when you consider that the Championship has the fourth highest total attendance in all of Europe.We're at a point where teams in the Championship have twice has much money to spend as the best teams in the Netherlands or in Portugal. It's ridiculous and it never got to this point before. Teams like Benfica and Ajax build their entire team with a tenth of the money Manchester United spent on Pogba. These aren't nobodies. Benfica puts 60 thousand fans in their stadium every two weeks, the problem is that there's no way to make foreigners watch the league. It's exponential. Premier League is better than the portuguese league so the viewers will watch the Premier League. They get money from the viewers and continue spending it and being better.
My team has a higher attendence than most of them. Is it our fault Paços de Ferreira and Naconal only put 1000 fans in their stadium?It is not ridiculous when you consider that the Championship has the fourth highest total attendance in all of Europe.
No less than it's the Championship clubs fault they have more money to spend.My team has a higher attendence than most of them. Is it our fault Paços de Ferreira and Naconal only put 1000 fans in their stadium?
Not really. Their model is wrong. They didn't generate enough money even when they're at the top of power. FFP is just a kick at a fallen man; not the cause. Parma, Fiorentina... could have been some team, but ended up going down in early 2000s & before we ever heard anything about FFPItalian clubs were hurt the most by FFP.
I'm not saying it's the english teams' fault. Just like portuguese clubs have bought a lot of players from South America, the english teams are buying from Portugal, Netherlands, etc. I'm just saying that something must be done about it otherwise in 20 years you'll have the 60 best teams in Europe be from 2 or 3 countries. To make matters even worse they're now guaranteeing an extra CL spot to one of the top leagues.No less than it's the Championship clubs fault they have more money to spend.
MoneyHow do you define rich club?
Big revenue = bigger turnover
Small revenue but big profit?
Do they set a nominal criteria? Based on what? Milan is a skint poor club nowdays compared to us, but compared to the iceland football club they're a damn rich club.
How do you define one as rich?
That's bullshit. You're looking at the numbers. The difference has been there for decadesWe're at a point where teams in the Championship have twice as much money to spend as the best teams in the Netherlands or in Portugal. It's ridiculous and it never got to this point before. Teams like Benfica and Ajax build their entire team with a tenth of the money Manchester United spent on Pogba. These aren't nobodies. Benfica puts 60 thousand fans in their stadium every two weeks, the problem is that there's no way to make foreigners watch the league. It's exponential. Premier League is better than the portuguese league so the viewers will watch the Premier League. They get money from the viewers and continue spending it and being better.
in this situation it's a sellers market, transfer prices are hiked because of the competition between the rich clubs. Basically like London property prices.I'm not saying it's the english teams' fault. Just like portuguese clubs have bought a lot of players from South America, the english teams are buying from Portugal, Netherlands, etc. I'm just saying that something must be done about it otherwise in 20 years you'll have the 60 best teams in Europe be from 2 or 3 countries. To make matters even worse they're now guaranteeing an extra CL spot to one of the top leagues.
If it continues like this the Champions League will soon become worse than the european qualifiers. How are teams supposed to compete with opponents who have budgets 1000 times bigger?
The only thing keeping things sort of normal so far is the english teams' stupidity in the transfer market.
When has Europe ever had a wage limit or salary cap?What's the point if there's no salary cap?
A salary cap would probably be illegal in European Union in the first place. There is no way that these laws will be introduced, it is stupid. I doubt that the big clubs will stand for it, and I doubt that Real and Barca are behind this. People are forgetting that they are the second and third richest clubs in Europe, this law would affect them as much as top English clubs. In fact, probably more considering the insane salary bill (higher than ours) so the luxury tax would make them so much weaker.When has Europe ever had a wage limit or salary cap?
How could they do that? 'Greedy owners' are owners of the football club, how can UEFA make them not get money from their property? Even if it was legal (which isn't), what could UEFA do? Penalize the clubs who do so, putting them even in deeper shit. 'Hey club, your owner got 30m of your money. In order to help you we are getting an another 30m from your money. Now, please go bankrupt.'Maybe UEFA could address the issue of where transfer money goes first and foremost so that its actually kept in football for the selling club and isn't siphoned off by agents and greedy owners.
Premier League, League 2 and La Liga all have salary caps right now.A salary cap would probably be illegal in European Union in the first place. There is no way that these laws will be introduced, it is stupid. I doubt that the big clubs will stand for it, and I doubt that Real and Barca are behind this. People are forgetting that they are the second and third richest clubs in Europe, this law would affect them as much as top English clubs. In fact, probably more considering the insane salary bill (higher than ours) so the luxury tax would make them so much weaker.
It is UEFA trying to make things right in a wrong way, 20 years after it has been too late.
I think it is a bit more complicated than this. EPL clubs cannot increase the total wage more than 7m from last season, but that counts only for the money coming from TV deal. If they can demonstrate that the money comes from other deals (tickets, commercial revenue etc), then they can easily do that. It is the reason why United's wage has gone much higher than 7m in the last year. United's commercial revenue has gone up for around 40% on the last year, and if United decides, they can put all these money on players' salaries and be within the rules.Premier League, League 2 and La Liga all have salary caps right now.
I doubt that is the case. Madrid/Barca are the second/third richest clubs in the world and their finances dwarf those of any EPL club bar United. In addition, their wage is higher than ours so the salary cap would affect them more than us. It isn't a conspiracy to make Barca/Madrid continue being on top. In addition, for all the money, EPL clubs lack success in Europe so I doubt that Real/Barca are being scared at us and then pushing UEFA to make rules that would affect them quite a lot too.Like other's have already mentioned it was fine when barca and real were breaking records and buying all the top players. Soon as an English club breaks the transfer record it suddenly needs looking at.
League 2 clubs are allowed to spend at most something like 60% of their revenue on wages and each La Liga club has a maximum amount they can spend on wages too.I think it is a bit more complicated than this. EPL clubs cannot increase the total wage more than 7m from last season, but that counts only for the money coming from TV deal. If they can demonstrate that the money comes from other deals (tickets, commercial revenue etc), then they can easily do that. It is the reason why United's wage has gone much higher than 7m in the last year. United's commercial revenue has gone up for around 40% on the last year, and if United decides, they can put all these money on players' salaries and be within the rules.
So, it is more an instruction on what clubs can do with the money coming from EPL TV deal, rather than a salary cap.
I have no idea how things are in the other 2 leagues you mentioned.
Not legal under EU laws. And if such a rule gets introduced in England, within 5 years English clubs will be below France/Italy (to not say Portugal) and so the richest league in the world won't be the richest anymore. People in China or US won't like to watch overpayed donkies.What they should do is make it that 8 of the first team squad must be born in the clubs country and also at least 5 homegrown players from the academy leaving clubs with the capacity to have 12 foreign players in the squad of 25 should they wish.
Or just poach the best players from that country. Which in turn makes the league weaker, and the prices of average players inflate.This will force clubs to develop their own players better and spread the wealth of top international players around making leagues and european football more competitive.
Football hasn't ever been better in quality than now, the number of football players in Europe hasn't ever been higher, and the national teams (especially the small ones) are better than ever. When is the last time that the equivalent of Wales reached the semis of a Euro, or the likes of Iceland reached the quarters?It might be purist pie in the sky stuff but it would put some soul back in football and also benefit the national teams in the long run.
Unless it's applied globally can't see it happening, they already had this rule to some extent and City just went with a smaller squad.What they should do is make it that 8 of the first team squad must be born in the clubs country and also at least 5 homegrown players from the academy leaving clubs with the capacity to have 12 foreign players in the squad of 25 should they wish.
This will force clubs to develop their own players better and spread the wealth of top international players around making leagues and european football more competitive.
It might be purist pie in the sky stuff but it would put some soul back in football and also benefit the national teams in the long run.
And rightly so.The UEFA has the same problem as the FIFA. There are too many "little" countries to please who have as many votes in it like the big nations.
0Not legal under EU laws.
Or just poach the best players from that country. Which in turn makes the league weaker, and the prices of average players inflate.
Football hasn't ever been better in quality than now, the number of football players in Europe hasn't ever been higher, and the national teams (especially the small ones) are better than ever. When is the last time that the equivalent of Wales reached the semis of a Euro, or the likes of Iceland reached the quarters?
Much ado about nothing, football is better than ever and no need to go back because of nostalgia. It wasn't better when you were young, it is just that because you were young you remember it as being better.
I said it was pie in the sky. However citing Wales and Iceland in international football isnt wise since the tournament was expanded to let more teams qualify. Ireland reached the quarters in 1990 so these things can happen. For the most part international football and especially in England has been on the downward path for decades now. You only have to look at how unpopular international breaks are with fans.Not legal under EU laws. And if such a rule gets introduced in England, within 5 years English clubs will be below France/Italy (to not say Portugal) and so the richest league in the world won't be the richest anymore. People in China or US won't like to watch overpayed donkies.
Or just poach the best players from that country. Which in turn makes the league weaker, and the prices of average players inflate.
Football hasn't ever been better in quality than now, the number of football players in Europe hasn't ever been higher, and the national teams (especially the small ones) are better than ever. When is the last time that the equivalent of Wales reached the semis of a Euro, or the likes of Iceland reached the quarters?
Much ado about nothing, football is better than ever and no need to go back because of nostalgia. It wasn't better when you were young, it is just that because you were young you remember it as being better.
Could that be because the club's football is so much better now (because of the expanse and the internationalization of football where European top teams have the best players in the world)? Making the club's football worse in order to achieve parity doesn't look a very good idea to me.0
I said it was pie in the sky. However citing Wales and Iceland in international football isnt wise since the tournament was expanded to let more teams qualify. Ireland reached the quarters in 1990 so these things can happen. For the most part international football and especially in England has been on the downward path for decades now. You only have to look at how unpopular international breaks are with fans.
Why reducing the transfers is a good idea in the first place? Money is already there, it either needs to go in transfers and wages or in the pockets of the owners.Clubs for me should have an absolute upper limit on what can be spent per season on transfers. I can't say what that figure should be but I guarantee if you set it around £50 mil and give it two-three transfer windows you would soon see the cost of players even the biggest drop to a more acceptable figure.
Either that or you cap the amount of players a club can sign in one window(even when loaning them out immediately or leaving the player at the club for a season or two) and see how that works, three to four would be an acceptable limit.
But that's the problem, don't start a everyone is against UK debate because it isn't the problem. The problem is that unlike 10-15 years ago, the biggest clubs have started to accumulate players because they could, it's killing the game and the competitivity of plenty of clubs/leagues. In fact the UK aren't even in the debate because they are not the target.It wouldn't is my point. (Although it could if Europe went that route)
My argument is the double standards. Madrid not to long ago made three world record transfers and not a thing was said about it. Barcelona made another crazy transfer with all kinds of tax issues
Before that Italy was taking the piss with what they were spending.
As soon as the premier league could out spend them. FFP. Came into fruition.
I'm not starting an everyone is against the UK. I am saying Italy and Spain get preferential treatment.But that's the problem, don't start a everyone is against UK debate because it isn't the problem. The problem is that unlike 10-15 years ago, the biggest clubs have started to accumulate players because they could, it's killing the game and the competitivity of plenty of clubs/leagues. In fact the UK aren't even in the debate because they are not the target.
The target are Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern and Juventus.
How? The FFP was introduced because clubs like Malaga and other spanish teams weren't able to pay their players, the current problem is that the biggest clubs buy everything and don't play them mainly Barcelona and Real Madrid.I'm not starting an everyone is against the UK. I am saying Italy and Spain get preferential treatment.
English football has done that though.In an ideal world, tax it, even out the playing field and plough the cash back into grass roots facilities