It certainly wouldn’t be worse for people living below the poverty line. It wouldn’t be worse for the homeless. It wouldn’t be worse for students, teachers, nurses, police the fire service...
I agree 100% that rules on political advertising need massively tightening. But I think that blaming the media for Labour's inability to persuade people to vote for it is rooted in this sense of moral superiority you so often get from Labour types. It makes it easy to blame others for being stupid, for not getting it, for being evil, for being manipulated (and I think you see echoes of it in the antisemitism stuff too).
Yes, but to be fair, that is your default position.
They should have brought back RLB
firstly I am nowhere near being from the “baby boomer” generation, by most definitions I am classified as a millennial! Not that I agree in such broad brush classifications - but there you go.
Not just the media either, politicians tell outright lies all the time and are rarely held accountable for them.
That's not necessarily true. If a nurse gets a pay rise, but the cost of living outstrips it, they're worse off. If a policeman with a mortgage gets a pay rise but interest rates increase dramatically, they're worse off. The only way that those people you mention will be better off under Labour is if they match their ambition for the public sector with their competent handling of the economy and private sector. If the latter is missing, everyone will be worse off.
to those who say leadership matters, Corbyn would never have instituted the monstrous Austerity measures that has brought our country to this.
Many of those policies work well in many countries across Europe. We have the second lowest spend as percentage of GDP of all the OECD countries.
Quite correct.
The glee with which these measures were instituted was in my view pent up payback for the years the working class actually thrived at the "expense of the those who had wealth".
When did the working class actually thrive at the expense of those with wealth.
Burgon.. I think even Diane abbot would do better than him
Caroline Lucus (enjoin from Green)
I didn’t say political advertising had no effect. I said that people had less reliance on the likes of the Mail, Sun etc for their info. Paid for Political advertising online is often weapons grade propaganda and needs far tighter regulation
I agree. But those who have money always feel they are paying 'far too much' . In their view working people should be bearing the brunt of the taxes. They are job creators after all.
You were discussing taxes in relation to cost for the average person, and mentioned Ireland as a low tax country. The average person in Ireland pays more tax than someone in the UK. Obviously we are low tax for companies, but that has nothing to do with how much it's costing the people in Ireland.
They’re trying so hard to appease to the Brexit idiots in the Labour heartlands to the point they have sidelined figures with any public speaking credibility like Starmer for these kind of debates so we’re getting treated to fecking Burgeon. Great
And yet Labour were (and still are - though thankfully less now the Libs revoke policy has proved an inevitable vote killer) relentlessly chastised for refusing to outright abandon Leave voters and any attempt to win them round, despite being just as necessary a voting bloc to electoral victory, in service of a fully vocal, constantly shifting pro-remain stance which was entirely rooted in moral superiority, always presumed (and frequently presented) on the idea that trying to win these stupid racists back was a lost cause, and by largely the same nostalgic “sensible centrists” who demand their attitudes be pandered to, and treated with respect, or else they’ll sulk off and vote for the dark side, just to teach them a lesson!
It is infuriating how easily he gets away with barefaced
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Well you won't be doing any campaigning any time soon.
IMO, none of those have the charisma or gravitas to attract the centrist left.
Farage isn't even a bloody candidate in the election. He's head of a party where no one is allowed to challenge him for Leader. Labour should have sent Starmer.
Not sure about charisma but I think Starmer might attract more voters from the centre.
Would be my pick.
In all my time I have to say that I have never experienced a political party whose campaign is so blatantly based on lies.
I have to agree, the outright robotic lies told day after day are a disgrace and the lack of media challenge on them as well. No one is held accountable for anything these days, it is merely brushed off. The only way to counteract this to challenge them straight up to their faces and show them up but no one with any clout has done that.
Sturgeon isn't a candidate in this election either
Such a ridiculous statement. Before you ask I don’t have a particular party I lean towards but to suggest the more informed would vote for Labour is laughable.
I agree, it is depressing and it's nobody is paying an electoral price for it. I'm not sure the media is equipped for this kind of thing either.
This is satire right?
re-nationalisation and I hardly need to explain why.
