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UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80

How do you intend to vote in the 2019 General Election if eligible?

  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 30 4.3%
  • Conservatives

    Votes: 73 10.6%
  • DUP

    Votes: 5 0.7%
  • Green

    Votes: 23 3.3%
  • Labour

    Votes: 355 51.4%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 58 8.4%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 3 0.4%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 9 1.3%
  • SNP

    Votes: 19 2.8%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 6 0.9%
  • Independent

    Votes: 1 0.1%
  • Other (BNP, Change UK, UUP and anyone else that I have forgotten)

    Votes: 10 1.4%
  • Not voting

    Votes: 57 8.3%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 41 5.9%

  • Total voters
    690
  • Poll closed .
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well boris has pretty much laid out his debate strategy which will be to ask these 4 points over and over again
Brexit is all they have (even though they are poor on that as well) as their record on everything else is rubbish. Yet many voters seem to be fooled by this nonsense. Hopefully the presenter keeps Boris on his toes and doesnt let him get away with spouting nonsense.
 

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Wow, the DM's between him and Dominic Raab regarding standing down in Conservative seats, and the exchanges between Julia Hartley Brewer are really bad. Dirty money and bribes flying around everywhere.

Lots that people already knew, by the looks of it, but to have it all open for everyone to read is a different matter.
 

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Not surprised. I was planning on voting Lib Dem until fairly recently, but now she's managed to make me have zero enthusiasm for doing so.
And me. I saw a good interview with a Green today and I like the way they're planning to use tax so all of us are prompted to improve our ways, even though driving, meat and dairy are likely to go up, I can see the need. I prefer that honest approach to the Tories 'tax is bad' and Labour's 'tax someone else'. I'm going to have to spend some time on the manifestos to decide if I'm a yellow tory or a green tory, but it will be one or the other.
 

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What do people think of this from Labour friends of India? Would seem racist to me demanding an Indian-descent candidate for Leicester. The whole Kashmir thing and its impact on the labour voting Indian base had gone over my head.

 

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Not surprised. I was planning on voting Lib Dem until fairly recently, but now she's managed to make me have zero enthusiasm for doing so.
She reminds me of a primary school teacher. Ok at stating the 'bleedin obvious' but hardly inspiring. Which is a shame because I want a significant remain vote.
To be honest they are all totally crap but knowing the masochistic DM worshipping electorate Boris will win with a significant majority.
Which in my view will be a disaster for democracy.
It will see Parliament with little or no power to stop him and his henchmen bullies doing exactly what they choose.
Meanwhile, Labour will be in even greater chaos with Momentum squabbling over how to move the party even more to the left and gawd knows who they will choose as the next puppet, I mean leader.
 

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Meanwhile, Labour will be in even greater chaos with Momentum squabbling over how to move the party even more to the left and gawd knows who they will choose as the next puppet, I mean leader.
I think momentum will back pidcock or wrong-daily ... I hope Jess Phillips runs I think she would be an interesting option though not one who I think would allow momentum to influence her too much and as such they will probably back one of the others.
I'd guess starmer would be another option (though not backed by momentum) - depends if the defeat is big enough to make the party change course
they could go full on puppet mode though and pick burgon
 

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Have the Tories announced a single campaign plan to tackle climate change?

Seems like they've gone the republican route of ignoring it and focusing on other environmental issues instead in the hope no one notices
 

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Have the Tories announced a single campaign plan to tackle climate change?

Seems like they've gone the republican route of ignoring it and focusing on other environmental issues instead in the hope no one notices
A Tory lead government was the first in the world to legislate for net 0, only a few months ago?
 

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She reminds me of a primary school teacher. Ok at stating the 'bleedin obvious' but hardly inspiring. Which is a shame because I want a significant remain vote.
To be honest they are all totally crap but knowing the masochistic DM worshipping electorate Boris will win with a significant majority.
Which in my view will be a disaster for democracy.
It will see Parliament with little or no power to stop him and his henchmen bullies doing exactly what they choose.
Meanwhile, Labour will be in even greater chaos with Momentum squabbling over how to move the party even more to the left and gawd knows who they will choose as the next puppet, I mean leader.
:rolleyes:

Ah yes the socialist political group started by Jewish Labour activist Jon Landsman will pick the next puppet of the labour party.


The reality is Momentum is no different than other groups inside the Labour Party, they simply push socialist ideas in the labour party thought activism.
 

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BJ will come out on top I think. It looks like this is a Brexit election and to enough of the electorate Boris has a credible direction of travel whilst Jez is in absence of one. Boris will keep bringing the debate back to this single point and Jez will be isolated.
If it looks like "the brexit election" that's only because Sky News are framing it as such.
 

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Its filled with things like

"The liberal worldview frames politics as something that happens mostly in Westminster..."
"Undoubtedly, centrist thinkers, with their focus on institutions and those who control them..."
"Liberals may focus on defending norms, ..."
etc.

These statements are, at best, partially true in some cases. But the article keeps making these kind of statements, treats them as gospel truths and then seeks to refute them.
 

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A Tory lead government was the first in the world to legislate for net 0, only a few months ago?
A target doesn't meet itself you have to actually do something and we're already on course to miss all our near term targets.

What funding have they given this?
 

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But. But. But Corbyn farted while stood next to an islamphobe in 1987.
Look at the stuff Houghton is reported as saying, is it really anti-Semitic? Is it really homophobic? Especially given that he was 20 at the time, I think it is ok for people to be thinking about this kind of stuff, and to be shown proper sources and set straight. There is a danger to too much censorship.

On Irving -

Houghton said: “A charleton [sic] seems a bit heavy, even his opponent’s recongnised [sic] his skill as a historian.”

He added: “His arguments - in terms of the Holocaust- have been that Hitler was not in the know about Aushwitz, rather as he challenged Deborah Lippstrad to do, show a genuine document linking Adolf Hitler to Auschwitz-Birkenau... No one has yet taken his challenge. (From what I know, im more than willing to be corrected here) “His other main focus was that the gas chamber which you go into as a tourist - if that word can be used in this context- was constructed after WW2.”

He adds that he is “not defending David’s Irving’s views” and that he does not agree with “some of the stuff he says”.

On homosexuality -
“I know im kind of going to the extreme here but I don’t see how homosexuality is ‘good’ for the human race?”

He later clarified that he had “no problem with anyone’s lifestyle choices” but was just trying “to think of an example when it could be considered bad for the human race.”
 

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Its filled with things like

"The liberal worldview frames politics as something that happens mostly in Westminster..."
"Undoubtedly, centrist thinkers, with their focus on institutions and those who control them..."
"Liberals may focus on defending norms, ..."
etc.

These statements are, at best, partially true in some cases. But the article keeps making these kind of statements, treats them as gospel truths and then seeks to refute them.
Well disprove these examples then.
 

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A target doesn't meet itself you have to actually do something and we're already on course to miss all our near term targets.

What funding have they given this?
I know the bik rules for electric cars and fleet renewals are changing next year in an environmental effort, but I'm not an expert. Just I don't think it is fair to say the environment is being ignored when a massive legislative action was taken a few months ago.
 

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Look at the stuff Houghton is reported as saying, is it really anti-Semitic? Is it really homophobic? Especially given that he was 20 at the time, I think it is ok for people to be thinking about this kind of stuff, and to be shown proper sources and set straight. There is a danger to too much censorship.

On Irving -

Houghton said: “A charleton [sic] seems a bit heavy, even his opponent’s recongnised [sic] his skill as a historian.”

He added: “His arguments - in terms of the Holocaust- have been that Hitler was not in the know about Aushwitz, rather as he challenged Deborah Lippstrad to do, show a genuine document linking Adolf Hitler to Auschwitz-Birkenau... No one has yet taken his challenge. (From what I know, im more than willing to be corrected here) “His other main focus was that the gas chamber which you go into as a tourist - if that word can be used in this context- was constructed after WW2.”

He adds that he is “not defending David’s Irving’s views” and that he does not agree with “some of the stuff he says”.

On homosexuality -
“I know im kind of going to the extreme here but I don’t see how homosexuality is ‘good’ for the human race?”

He later clarified that he had “no problem with anyone’s lifestyle choices” but was just trying “to think of an example when it could be considered bad for the human race.”
edit: All the "shocking quotes" are at the bottom of this article, I personally don't find them shocking when thinking of a 20 year old on an internet forum. https://www.thenational.scot/news/1...didate-ryan-houghton-racist-tweets-uncovered/
 
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