Hormones are a helluva drug
UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80
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mugged them right off.Don't pretend you weren't impressed by the new Tory-Love Actually masterpiece.
That's uncanny, I just read that. Leaving the embargo and all that to one side for a moment, the idea of an annual levy on house price rises sounds fraught with difficulties and a poorly thought out policy.
He'll find some other reason to justify voting Tory. These people always do.
Are you serious? I bet the Tory social media disinformation campaign is having 10x the impact.
We are talking about bots, not adverts.
I don't ever expect Labour adverts to lie, though I can't say they ever haven't.
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Why did the Sun publish a far-right conspiracy theory?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/09/sun-publish-far-right-conspiracy-theory-labour
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/09/sun-publish-far-right-conspiracy-theory-labour
the Tory party is a coalition of ideologies. In exactly the same way labour is. With a majority, I believe that the ERG will become less significant and therefore shift to the centre. With a good majority they will have less influence. That’s my take on it.
This is similar to what people said about Trump before he got inaugurated. Turned out great.
I don’t know the detail around that (and don’t bother to link), as just because something happens over the pond doesn’t mean we can conflate this to the political landscape over here.
It's similarly naive for sure.
And the dems still talk about Hillary as if she was any less evil. And they still do nothing real to fight that orange moron.
brilliant riposte. To be clear, even if they don’t move to the centre, it’s still a better option than the opposition.
Why not? We've had the more polite British equivalents of fake news for years, where politicians just say that they don't accept the reports findings, we've had alternate facts for years, where they say "I think the people want...", aggressive social media campaigns built on lies, and a cowardly leader who only does interviews in his own bubble unless heavily scrutinised beforehand.
We're already there dude and we've been getting to this point for years, our politicians are just more subtle about it. And the yanks generally have to steamroll into things will guns blazing.
Surprise to no one. Wonder what FT will say, Lib Dem, Tory, “follow your conscience” ?
The Dems are what labour would be if they didn't get Corbyn as leader.
So basically useless either way?
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Nothing real? They've blocked all his policies and have impeached him
It took a few attempts but at least we know your real answer now.
I'm guessing you've not been reading The Guardian. The FT will say Lib Dem or do the new statesman line - endorse no one.
no reason to celebrate, it’s not a revelation, I’ve been very clear on how I will vote throughout this thread.
It took a few attempts but at least we know your real answer now.
Fair I probably should stop posting after a drink...
Nothing real? They've blocked all his policies and have impeached him
They literally just gave him everything he wanted in a trade deal. Like a couple hours ago...
Nothing real? They've blocked all his policies and have impeached him
Self evidently that’s not true.
Have they? Let's see shall we...
Nothing real? They've blocked all his policies and have impeached him
You and me both brother!
Amazing clip!
Shhh you, let these people live in their land of fairies. And unicorns of course.
I didn’t say it’s a shoe in, I sad they can form a minority government with 275 seats.
Also how is it possible that you can get the simplest of calculations wrong
275 Labour 45 SNP 10 Lib Dems 18 NI 1 Green 1 Speaker leaves 300 for Tories...
Is the answer - Because it's a far right wank pamphlet?
I’ve done RedCafe polling comparison with 2017 election.
Ive excluded IDK and DNV as they weren’t in the previous poll.
So Labour has gone from 58.4% to 59.4%
Cons have gone from 14.5% to 11.9%
Lib Dems have gone from 10.3% to 10%
Greens have gone from 3.6% to 4.2%
SNP has gone from 2.4 to 3.3%
Kippers + Brexit counted as one from 5.3 to 6.3%
YouGov can go feck themselves there’s the representative shift in the country’s mood right there.
In all seriousness this just reaffirms in my view younger people’s sentiments about politics.
Ive excluded IDK and DNV as they weren’t in the previous poll.
So Labour has gone from 58.4% to 59.4%
Cons have gone from 14.5% to 11.9%
Lib Dems have gone from 10.3% to 10%
Greens have gone from 3.6% to 4.2%
SNP has gone from 2.4 to 3.3%
Kippers + Brexit counted as one from 5.3 to 6.3%
YouGov can go feck themselves there’s the representative shift in the country’s mood right there.
In all seriousness this just reaffirms in my view younger people’s sentiments about politics.
A law needs to be brought in. If media will be forced to publish a correction on a story, they need to publish it in the same format as the original story. So if it publishes a misleading headline, the correction needs to be a headline too instead of buried in the pages no one reads. That should be fun.
I'm sure everyone who posts here who's eligible to vote will be doing so, but please try to get your mates to the polling stations! Our votes are already in (postal), we voted Labour so that's two in the bag.
You’re both good eggs xI'm sure everyone who posts here who's eligible to vote will be doing so, but please try to get your mates to the polling stations! Our votes are already in (postal), we voted Labour so that's two in the bag.
I’m serious, from what I’ve seen their disinformation campaign has been falling flat. Every interview I’ve seen on the news people have been very unimpressed by their lies. I guess the subconscious element has to be taken into account though and you may well be right
I'm sure we can rely on the government to push that through. Oh wait...
There is a commitment to increase spending by an average of 4.3 percent a year [Labour], compared with the 3.2 percent rise under current government plans over the next four years. The promised boost is higher than that being offered by the Tories and Lib Dems, but is still below the 5 percent annual average increases needed, according to the Institute for Fiscal Studies and the Health Foundation.
https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/wjwwd4/the-nhs-what-are-the-tories-labour-and-lib-dems-promising
Is it really a “record” funding boost?
No. It may be the biggest uplift in cash terms over five years – but given the growing UK population and the effects of price inflation that isn’t much of a claim. In real terms, the growth in NHS England’s budget proposed by the Tories amounts to an additional £23.5bn a year, taking the total to £140.3bn by 2023-2024 (in today’s money), according to the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS). That equates to real terms growth of 3.2% per year. To put this in context, it does mark a retreat from the years of austerity: the average real annual increase was just 1.3% between 2009-2010 and 2018-2019, despite the fast-growing population. However, it is still significantly lower than the long-run average annual increase in UK health spending of 3.6% per year (and far below the 2000s, when NHS spending grew by around 6% a year in real terms).
https://moneyweek.com/518936/the-political-battle-over-the-nhs/
3.2% is what the Tories are offering and it's just continuation of the status quo.
We did it Redcafe!
Voted Labour last time but gone with SNP this time. G'wan big Nic.
I‘d do the same if I lived in Scotland.
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