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Just wondering what people in he North of England were thinking. Do they actually believe that the Conservative government will care about people in the North?
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And you're basing this on what exactly?But peoples experience on the ground clearly isn't that things are bad. At least not the majority of people anyway and that includes the perceived poor working class.
The problem is that the bad things come slowly, so they don't feel a big hit. The drip fed issues are excused because of this and that reason. There's also a lot of people that are working class but comfortable, for now, so they won't be feeling it yet, but they might when they have to pay medical bills, or the excess on them if they're lucky enough to get insurance, or the full bill when they find out the insurance doesn't cover what they have.But peoples experience on the ground clearly isn't that things are bad. At least not the majority of people anyway and that includes the perceived poor working class.
Many of the 80's politicians are gone, so the new generation cares about them, right?Just wondering what people in he North of England were thinking. Do they actually believe that the Conservative government will care about people in the North?
You know what he means. The only thing bringing me any solace is that these clowns voting for the tories are going to be badly affected by future Tory budgets.Generalising much? I didnt vote for that racist tax dodging cnut and nor did my family or most of my friends, but we deserve everything that will happen, thanks alot.
Why do people keep referring to 2017 as if it was a victory? They were 84 seats away from a majority ffs.Corbyn, McDonnell are the same people, with the same things said about them who got 262 in 2017, key difference is in 2017 they were honouring Brexit, in 2019 they've brought remain back on the table and looking at these Labour Leave areas, the Labour leavers in these once lifelong strongholds have been pretty incensed by it. They weren't going win but they've torpedoed the base they stood on.
For Scotland, they'll have to wait until we see what the next phase of the talks result in. SNP will push for indyref now but it only makes sense for the Scottish people to vote to leave or stay knowing what the completed Brexit is which could be 2-3 years away.
Yes. I'm too weary today to try to extrapolate to the future properly. I will say that my city is highly emotional and I'm certain Edinburgh at least is too.The polls on Independence don't really back that up though do they? Seem pretty much consistent at roughly 50/50 split. It will be interesting to see what the next one shows.
You are calling 14 million people clowns and wishing on them the very things you claim to care about.You know what he means. The only thing bringing me any solace is that these clowns voting for the tories are going to be badly affected by future Tory budgets.
My take on the gains is this:(Sorry to snip, but the new quote function is rubbish)
On your gains:
Austerity - yes, this was a good message. They took this way too far to the extent people found it unrealistic.
Climate change - there have been no gains on this, the Tories will carry on largely ignoring it.
Nationalisation - no gains, people tend to say "yeah why not" in polls but doesn't motivate them to vote for a party an iota.
Mobilisation - They're on track to get fewer seats than Ed Miliband and Gordon Brown. If this was a benefit, I dread to think how bad it would've been if it was just on the other issues.
I feel like scratching my eyes out everytime it's mentioned. It's absolutely stunning people can't see that.Why do people keep referring to 2017 as if it was a victory? They were 84 seats away from a majority ffs.
When it's still a publicly debated issue I'm not sure you can say it's won.A battle they've already won politically. Some people never agreed, but enough did to have made the Conservatives the largest party in each of the last four elections.
I disagree that we've seen higher tax rates historically and significant growth. Higher personal tax rates have coincided with some of the most economically troubling times in this country, like in the 70s, Dennis Healy and "taxing the rich until the pip squeaks".
For me, income inequality is absolutely fine, so long as the minimum standard is high enough. That is where the conservative government of the past 9 years has failed, and I hope they can fix it.
The result of the election. You've got huge swathes of the country voting conservative. The very people who are supposedly persecuted and treated like shit by the tories. The reality appears to be quite the opposite. We have record employment and low taxes that directly benefit the working class. I'm not surprised they don't want to risk a 'revolutionary' Labour government. Oh, and they also want Brexit.And you're basing this on what exactly?
More working class people are comfortable now because of the Tory government. The concern for me is what happens to people even further down the chain. What happens to social care, what happens when you drop out of the 'working class' system. The Tory approach does work for the many though. Record employment, low taxes, it's a vote winner.The problem is that the bad things come slowly, so they don't feel a big hit. The drip fed issues are excused because of this and that reason. There's also a lot of people that are working class but comfortable, for now, so they won't be feeling it yet.
Why do people keep referring to 2017 as if it was a victory? They were 84 seats away from a majority ffs.
I've always seen it the other way around. I have a real problem with patriotism and people claiming to be proud to by British/American/German etc. It does not make any sense first of all and could be very dangerous potentially if you think your place of birth makes you superior to others. On the other hand I fully support political nationalism as in having strong independent nation states and the rejection of supranational institutions such as the European Union that undermine their sovereignty.Nationalism is definitely a bad thing if you start having contempt for others. Patrotism isn't if it is used appropriately e.g. you can have pride in your country and still think other countries are great too.
And those of us who aren't clowns?You know what he means. The only thing bringing me any solace is that these clowns voting for the tories are going to be badly affected by future Tory budgets.
He should be up for war crimes along with his buddy Bush."He should feck off and vote Tory!"
The North voted pretty heavily to leave, probably caused a good portion of those switches. Obviously not the only issue, but Brexit has been a big thing it whole politics of the country for the last 3-4 years.Just wondering what people in he North of England were thinking. Do they actually believe that the Conservative government will care about people in the North?
In what way? Everything will get more expensive as far as I can see. They'll be without EU restrictions soon enough so will be able to do as they please. Wouldn't surprise me if we ended with as few holidays as the US, which is no small thing. That directly contributes to happiness in my eyes.More working class people are comfortable now because of the Tory government. The concern for me is what happens to people even further down the chain. What happens to social care, what happens when you drop out of the 'working class' system. The Tory approach does work for the many though. Record employment, low taxes, it's a vote winner.
I live in a Labour town that yesterday went Tory for the first time in 27 years with a 5,000 majority. The Labour candidate is well and truly blaming worries about what Jeremy Corbyn represented.Just wondering what people in he North of England were thinking. Do they actually believe that the Conservative government will care about people in the North?
But thats the whole point, politics in this country right now IS toxic.It's the kind of toxic attitude that needs to be fecked off out of it.
This is the madness the Labour left needs to rid itself of. If you're one of the main two parties, you are either in power or not. If not, that's failure.Why do people keep referring to 2017 as if it was a victory? They were 84 seats away from a majority ffs.
It’s the last thing Boris should be doing. Would be amazed if he engages with the SNP over a referendum.In Glasgow I imagine that would definitely be true, but that's similar to London. Any vote would be close, as I say I would hope Scotland would chose to remain. If I were Boris I would offer the SNP a referendum on the basis there isn't another for 25 years.
That was down to a little thing called World War 2. The tax rate could have been anything.We were getting better GDP growth in the 50s and 60s when the top rate of tax was 90%.
Its much easier to grow from a lower base, and the 50s and 60s was just recovering from WWII with a massive investment from the US (Marshall Plan). Its not a comparable situation.When it's still a publicly debated issue I'm not sure you can say it's won.
We were getting better GDP growth in the 50s and 60s when the top rate of tax was 90%.
Personally I don't really think income inequality is that helpful, certainly not the way we see it in our society but even without that it shouldn't be growing the way it has been at a time when we have growing child poverty and homelessness and our services have been taking budget cuts. I don't think people in general would be against inequality though as long as you're also increasing the quality of life for those lower down. This is why people get annoyed with people voting for a party that is causing that with it's policies, and it will often boil over into insults because people's lives are on the line. A vote for the Tories may not be placed because people don't care about vulnerable people, but it is often place in spite of caring and I can't really blame people for being upset about that.
You are basically agreeing with what I've been saying for days on here.But thats the whole point, politics in this country right now IS toxic.
It's been fueled by the right with Brexit and the media campaign against Labour and Corbyn. Being nice and civil while watching the country you love burn in front of you is not useful either. It's a no win situation right now.
Be angry = toxic
Be sad = snowflake
Are the left leaning meant to take a pumelling each week by the right and not stand up for itself? Isn't this precisely the attitude that allowed the right to so openly lie to the publics face and go unchallenged? Personally, it's time the gloves came off, what the left need is a leader who will actually fight back.
Because the media ,Press and many in here said Corbyns Labour would be wiped out with a huge majority for May.Why do people keep referring to 2017 as if it was a victory? They were 84 seats away from a majority ffs.
So a loss is a win.Because the media ,Press and many in here said Corbyns Labour would be wiped out with a huge majority for May.
The conservatives got over 25% of the Scottish vote so I would hardly say the whole country is devastated. Twice as many Scots also voted for brexit than voted for the SNP and that seems to get ignored too.If there were a ref today, it's over.
I'm sitting on a conference call with people all over Scotland. The country is devastated.
I'm sure it all seems a pragmatic decision we'll on move on from as you sit amongst your dreaming spires but it is not good here.
So they got beat 3-0 instead of 5-0, with the help of one of the worst campaigns run by a Conservative leader.Because the media ,Press and many in here said Corbyns Labour would be wiped out with a huge majority for May.
Yea, it's statements like that which are really unnecessary. If you didn't vote for it, why do you deserve it?
Exactly, Im done, just done with it. This country has had its say, and its say is that it wants a racist, elitist, puppet in charge because they have swallowed the anti eu, anti foreigner greed is good, Im alright jack propaganda. Im off at the first possible opportunity, might not be soon, and I dont know where but Im off.Ignore these idiots mate, it's not worth your time.
Yep, I agree it's weird saying Labour ran a negative campaign. Their support on the other hand, easily the most toxic to the other side. Thing is, I don't even blame them, it's anger at what they are seeing.
But it needs to stop and all that anger and energy needs focusing on the people within Labour who have fecked this up and rebuilding. Because without that, we are stuck with the Tories for much longer than 5 years.
It's a toss-up who despises the working class more, upper class tories or metropolitan momentum types.So, so disappointing to see working class regions voting for upper-class snobs who hold them in the same regard as they would dog turd on the bottom of their shoes. But not altogether surprising.
The bare bones of it - Wales in general was one of the biggest Leave voting areas in the UK. You have a choice of two blokes:
Bloke 1 - repeats a slogan of 'Get Brexit Done'.
Bloke 2 - claims he will hold another vote on Brexit.
For people who wanted to leave the EU, the choice is absolutely clear. I wasn't shocked at all by this outcome.
They shouldn't, this is politics now. Soundbites and slogans. Untruths and saying whatever people want to hear.Why should a candidate to become pm ever give a long and detailed interview ever again?
Both in equal measure probably. The right are just better at lying to them.It's a toss-up who despises the working class more, upper class tories or metropolitan momentum types.
What did he say?Classic situation on BBC at the moment of a working class guy explaining why he voted for Conservatives and a posh girl trying to hold back from calling him an idiot.