UK government to force users to provide credit card details to access porn sites

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I don't know about you, but at 11/12 I was taught pregnancy and shown child birth videos, taught about female menstruation (i don't know what the boys were learning, but they separated us by gender for some reason), and STD's - albeit all this 'education' was very bad, after the snickers and immature jokes it wasn't a terrible experience, if anything it didn't go into much depth, and it was literally a two time thing that happened in PE by teachers who were obviously not experts in that field.

There's nothing wrong with making sex education something that is normalised in school, and yeah maybe fetishes aren't taught to 10 year olds, but it becomes a regular enough module that by 15/16 kids are well aware of what they need to know about sex, pregnancy & STD prevention, abortion, childcare, masturbation, sexuality, consent, and yes fetishes.
My problem is primary school kids are watching porn this isn’t about 15/16 age group.
 

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My problem is primary school kids are watching porn this isn’t about 15/16 age group.
Yes I was a primary kid who watched porn too, and I doubt i'm alone in that.
Like I said, the sooner stop clutching our pearls in shock, and actually educate them properly, the better everyone will be imo.
 

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Yes I was a primary kid who watched porn too, and I doubt i'm alone in that.
Like I said, the sooner stop clutching our pearls in shock, and actually educate them properly, the better everyone will be imo.
I agree education is the way forward, but honestly is how accessible porn is acceptable?
 

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I agree education is the way forward, but honestly is how accessible porn is acceptable?
It's the internet, it's literally how it works.
I would say how accessible it is to be exposed to misinformation and stupid people has had a greater negative impact on society (Anti-vaxers, trump etc), but again - it's the internet.
 

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The thing is mate it’s not regular sex porn that’s the problem. It’s the hardcore fetish porn that normalises things, how do you educate kids, on gangbangs, BDSM, DDLG, dungeon porn, rape fantasy, street meat, and everything else? *it’s not real* seems to be most peoples go to. The fact is you can’t, there is a reason we have rating certificates for games and movies now.
The alternative is to let them find all of that by themselves.
 

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Yes I was a primary kid who watched porn too, and I doubt i'm alone in that.
Like I said, the sooner stop clutching our pearls in shock, and actually educate them properly, the better everyone will be imo.
How did you watch it?
Did or video?

Or more modern way?
 

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The issue isn't kids seeing some porn, which will inevitably happen at a relatively young age. It's kids being exposed to porn to such a degree that it outweighs whatever positive sex education they've received and actually has a negative impact on their attitudes/behaviours towards sex.

Obviously part of combating that is ensuring they have good access to positive, healthy, informative sex education. But it is also partly about having their ability to access porn curtailed.

However, that's down to their parents, not the government. Because their parents control when they get their first phone, when they get their first smartphone, the access they have to the family computer, when they're allowed to have their own computer in their room, the amount of screen time they're allowed at home, the many adult content filters that are available for this exact purpose, etc etc. And that is a far more effective barrier than easily circumvented government measures.
 
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Im no prude but the access to hardcore and fetish porn is far to accessible for people who shouldn’t be viewing it.
When we are talking about younger children, at what point is it just down to their parents to take responsibility.

There are many, many things online that are far too accessible to young children, why is porn being targeted specifically?
 

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Google will help you, wait your mom has it blocked?
Well, that was disappointing. Though some of the recipes I found looked interesting. Urban dictionary says:


street meat
1) Any variety of meat sold by a street vendor. This includes hot dogs, sausages, kebab, steak sandwiches, etc.

2) A street-walking prostitute.
The ever ambiguous "Let's pick up some street meat."
by dude April 10, 2004


So, I guess the latter, which has left me absolutely baffled as to why you A) put that in a list next to rape fantasy and B) didn't just use one of the dozens of euphemisms for sex workers that are more common than 'street meat'.
 

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Well, that was disappointing. Though some of the recipes I found looked interesting. Urban dictionary says:


street meat
1) Any variety of meat sold by a street vendor. This includes hot dogs, sausages, kebab, steak sandwiches, etc.

2) A street-walking prostitute.
The ever ambiguous "Let's pick up some street meat."
by dude April 10, 2004


So, I guess the latter, which has left me absolutely baffled as to why you A) put that in a list next to rape fantasy and B) didn't just use one of the dozens of euphemisms for sex workers that are more common than 'street meat'.
Not gonna bite mate, enjoy your evening.
 

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I genuinely believe that porn needs to start being treated the same as any other drug(yes, I said drug). I also firmly believe it plays a big part in the increase of mental health problems that we're seeing today as well as ED rates in young men which have skyrocketed in the past 15 years. Before the rise of high-speed internet porn, ED was almost exclusively an issue for older men, now you have men in their 30s, 20s and even teens with issues and all they ever get told is that "it's in your head" "you're just anxious", no, it's because they've become massively desensitised thanks to hammering their brains with a level of stimuli that it wasn't designed to withstand.

The older generation trying to equate it to their experience of a few dirty mags and a grainy vhs are way off base, the level of access to porn that the current younger generation have is in a completely different stratosphere. Young children should not be exposed to this when their brains are still in its formative stage, the level of damage they are unknowingly doing to themselves could prove disastrous. Porn addiction is real and is becoming more and more widely recognised in the medical field, it's still not there totally yet as there is a lot of resistance to it but there's more than enough evidence there that this is now being taken as seriously as it should. For a long time people were told that cigarettes were harmless until the effects of long-term use began to present themselves and the same thing will eventually happen with porn.

If adults want to watch it then fine, I would advise them not to or at least research the potential effects of doing so but innocent kids should not be exposed to it. Anyone who has kids, especially boys, would be well served to take this seriously and do what they can to protect them.
 

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I agree but how easy it is to some sick legal shit online should be totally unacceptable to everyone, imagine turning on ITV and seeing fetish hardcore porn at 12pm. There is literally no difference anymore, kids consume much more online media now that traditional TV.
You only get to see fetish hardcore porn if you actively search for it.
And even if, it is still only sex. Nobody dies off it. I really thought we would have left this panic about somebody watching a reproductive act behind us.
 

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You only get to see fetish hardcore porn if you actively search for it.
And even if, it is still only sex. Nobody dies off it. I really thought we would have left this panic about somebody watching a reproductive act behind us.
You think it’s ok for kids to watch porn?
 

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You think it’s ok for kids to watch porn?
At some point in time kids develop an interest for such things. I was no exception, and neither were my friends at that age. And believe me, even in my childhood years during the 80s, almost every dad a hidden VHS porn collection. And us kids were pretty good at finding those.
No, I don't have a problem with kids seeing something they're going to practice themselves in a not too distant future.
 

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It is sensible to do this sort of thing, it obviously has an effect on men but it just seems like smoke and mirrors this.

It seems as though Boris is throwing stuff into the news on a daily basis ala the Kansas City Shuffle.
 

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At some point in time kids develop an interest for such things. I was no exception, and neither were my friends at that age. And believe me, even in my childhood years during the 80s, almost every dad a hidden VHS porn collection. And us kids were pretty good at finding those.
No, I don't have a problem with kids seeing something they're going to practice themselves in a not too distant future.
But they are not going to practice it in the not to distant future! Sex generally isn't like it is in a porn film! Porn often is degrading to the women in the film. That's not how we should introduce sex to children (no nonce comments please) our youth should be tought to respect each other, mutual gratification ect... I would have been shocked if my education in sex was based on bonnie rottens vids.

I'm no moral copper but to think it's okay for kids to watch porn is wrong and stupid
 

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But they are not going to practice it in the not to distant future! Sex generally isn't like it is in a porn film! Porn often is degrading to the women in the film. That's not how we should introduce sex to children (no nonce comments please) our youth should be tought to respect each other, mutual gratification ect... I would have been shocked if my education in sex was based on bonnie rottens vids.

I'm no moral copper but to think it's okay for kids to watch porn is wrong and stupid
I honestly don’t think people get it, we have become so used to it that we fail to see the damage it is causing. Like a kid’s first view of sex is a female in a gangbang…
 

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I honestly don’t think people get it, we have become so used to it that we fail to see the damage it is causing.
Likely, because you have no means to actually quantify said damage.


Like a kid’s first view of sex is a female in a gangbang…
Then, of course it'll think this to be the one and only way, when there's dozens of other depictions of sexual practices on a site?
 

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Likely, because you have no means to actually quantify said damage.




Then, of course it'll think this to be the one and only way, when there's dozens of other depictions of sexual practices on a site?
There is plenty to quantify it, simply google it. We simply won’t agree.
 

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im your generation, an odd VHS or a penthhouse is a far cry from what’s available. The research is available as to the harm it causes, but I guess we will disagree.
You're disagreeing with yourself there:lol:

I'm also off the occasional VHS and mate's dad's porn mags generation and I'd assume you can't stop kids seeing it now it's online, so the best thing is to educate them as best you can.

Even if you block a kid's internet access at home, they'll see stuff at school on mates' phones etc...

What is DDLG?
 

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How did you watch it?
Did or video?

Or more modern way?
Started with x-rated channels on sky, then I eventually searched on google & bypassed the child filters, then I was downloading torrents on limewire & deleting all the evidence without my parents knowing.
I was maybe 10/11 years old and free porn was much harder to find in the early 2000s compared to now.

Kids are gonna watch porn & be curious about sex, if we pretend it’s not happening we’re only putting them at even more risk
 

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Started with x-rated channels on sky, then I eventually searched on google & bypassed the child filters, then I was downloading torrents on limewire & deleting all the evidence without my parents knowing.
I was maybe 10/11 years old and free porn was much harder to find in the early 2000s compared to now.

Kids are gonna watch porn & be curious about sex, if we pretend it’s not happening we’re only putting them at even more risk
Agreed - but its so much easier nowadays.

When I was in school it was magazines and videos - they were hard to get and even harder to keep hidden when living with parents and siblings - so curiosity wasnt acted on per se. Now its too easy
 

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I honestly don’t think people get it, we have become so used to it that we fail to see the damage it is causing. Like a kid’s first view of sex is a female in a gangbang…
The thing is, kids will find ways to watch it, you simply cannot stop that. We have to figure out the best way to deal with it, making something on the internet illegal is just wasting everyone's time.

The example you gave, why not force porn sites to only show soft stuff on their homepage and make it that fetish hardcore stuff only shows up if you specifically search for it? I'm sure porn sites would be fine with it and a young kid opening a porn site for the first time wouldn't see anything too weird in their first go.

And adults need to make peace with the fact porn has to be mentioned in sex education at schools. It may gross out some adults, but the alternative is to keep kids in the dark.
 

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What a nonsense proposal. It's absolutely impossible to stop anyone finding porn online. The only way to stop kids seeing online porn would be to restrict their access to the internet. Putting the "legit" porn sites behind an access wall will just encourage kids to browse the thousands of dodgier sites instead, or on the darkweb, which is an even stupider rabbit hole to send them down.