UK Policing

[Peter van der Gea]

So I have a question on this particular instance and your line of thoughts.

Do you think these officers are racist or have the just got it ingrained into them since being of the force that a black guy in a bad neighbourhood could be a criminal and then you must search?

Basically, were they always like this or are they picking these, "habits" up on the job?

I think that's where the "location" thing is a red flag, especially for drug use

 

[TheReligion]

Thanks all. I understand that many of the topics that are discussed can be quite emotive as everyone has their own individual experiences and perceptions.

 

[lefty_jakobz]

So I have a question on this particular instance and your line of thoughts.

Do you think these officers are racist or have the just got it ingrained into them since being of the force that a black guy in a bad neighbourhood could be a criminal and then you must search?

Basically, were they always like this or are they picking these, "habits" up on the job?

I would think the latter applies (picking up of habits) but im sure there are a fair number of racist people who become police officers. Power corrupts as they say.

 

[Skizzo]

Just like @Skizzo does in the US Cop thread.

Much appreciated. I try to be as impartial as possible, while providing some context from the other side.

 

[gormless]

Asian/African who cares.

All brown people look alike, eh mate?

They should just be allowed to stop and search any coloured person just incase.

Not what I’m saying. Just trying to point out he often damned if you do, damned if you don’t conundrum.

The Asian male is a mistake on my part yes, but it came from a quote from the hearing when the security guard discussed his fear of stopping the male in case he was branded racist


“It's very difficult to define a terrorist. For all I knew he might well be an innocent Asian male.
"I did not want people to think I am stereotyping him because of his race.
"I was scared of being wrong and being branded a racist if I got it wrong and would have got into trouble. It made me hesitant.”

 

[VorZakone]

Not what I’m saying. Just trying to point out he often damned if you do, damned if you don’t conundrum.

The Asian male is a mistake on my part yes, but it came from a quote from the hearing when the security guard discussed his fear of stopping the male in case he was branded racist


“It's very difficult to define a terrorist. For all I knew he might well be an innocent Asian male.
"I did not want people to think I am stereotyping him because of his race.
"I was scared of being wrong and being branded a racist if I got it wrong and would have got into trouble. It made me hesitant.”

Wasn't this fear of racism branding also part of what happened in the Rotherham scandal? Or not?

 

[gormless]

Wasn't this fear of racism branding also part of what happened in the Rotherham scandal? Or not?

Yes.
I want to be clear that I absolutely don’t think searching a black person for wearing a coat is right, but just by the very nature of policing there are going to be times when actions need to be taken where it will unfortunately be perceived as stereotyping. It’s not nice, but it’s reality

 

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[TheReligion]

I very much doubt Wayne Holloway-Smith knows if there was ‘no discernible or legitimate justification’ if I’m honest.

That PC needs to learn how to wear a flat cap mind. Typical Met.

 

[Sara125]

I very much doubt Wayne Holloway-Smith knows if there was ‘no discernible or legitimate justification’ if I’m honest.

That PC needs to learn how to wear a flat cap mind. Typical Met.

We’ve seen time and time again young black boys in London being searched for simply wearing a hoodie. We JUST saw a black man get stopped on film for wearing a coat in somewhat warm weather. But, no, you’re right. Let’s wait for the facts to come out.

 

[Sara125]

TIL that the animal that people use to refer to the police is censored on the caf in that context. Oops, sorry. I forgot that the police are an oppressed minority

 

[arnie_ni]

We’ve seen time and time again young black boys in London being searched for simply wearing a hoodie. We JUST saw a black man get stopped on film for wearing a coat in somewhat warm weather. But, no, you’re right. Let’s wait for the facts to come out.

This kid is white. Maybe they don't discriminate and are just very very poor at their jobs

 

[Sara125]

This kid is white. Maybe they don't discriminate and are just very very poor at their jobs

He may be white this time but it doesn’t mean the other times aren’t racially motivated. Either way, what does it say about stop and search when you can do it simply based on someone’s clothing?

 

[arnie_ni]

He may be white this time but it doesn’t mean the other times aren’t racially motivated.

Explain this one then?

first we had a kid wearing a coat, now we have a kid that can afford a pair of trainers with go faster strips and the copper thought he'd out run him.

One black one white, both stopped.
At what point does it cross over from discrimination to equally shite at what they are doing for all?

 

[Sara125]

Explain this one then?

first we had a kid wearing a coat, now we have a kid that can afford a pair of trainers with go faster strips and the copper thought he'd out run him.

One black one white, both stopped.
At what point does it cross over from discrimination to equally shite at what they are doing for all?

Because black boys are DISPROPORTIONATELY stopped and searched…there are literally studies on it. The police are also shite at their job. Two things can exist at once.

 

[TheReligion]

This kid is white. Maybe they don't discriminate and are just very very poor at their jobs

She doesn’t read any of the content in the thread nor is she here for any meaningful discussion.

If she was she’d have noticed the kids race and the fact we’d been speaking at length about stop search the past few pages. All without needlessly insulting one another.

 

[arnie_ni]

Because black boys are DISPROPORTIONATELY stopped and searched…there are literally studies on it. The police are also shite at their job. Two things can exist at once.

But that had zero to do with the post he was replying to. The kid was white and you brought minority discrimination into it.

 

[Peter van der Gea]

But that had zero to do with the post he was replying to. The kid was white and you brought minority discrimination into it.

I would guess their socio economic situation was not Eton boys. One of the reasons ethnic minorities get disproportionately stop and searched is the socio economic biases

 

[arnie_ni]

I would guess their socio economic situation was not Eton boys. One of the reasons ethnic minorities get disproportionately stop and searched is the socio economic biases

I can definitely get behind that as well.

You see similar here. Police patrol the "poorer" areas moreso than other areas.

Does more crime happen there though?

Are they allowed to manage their resources as such?

how do they/we stop priority policing turning into unnecessary targeting of minorities/poor people/whatever group it is?

 

[SalfordRed18]

I very much doubt Wayne Holloway-Smith knows if there was ‘no discernible or legitimate justification’ if I’m honest.

That PC needs to learn how to wear a flat cap mind. Typical Met.

Very arrogant of you if I'm honest.

 

[TheReligion]

Very arrogant of you if I'm honest.

How so?

 

[Peter van der Gea]

I can definitely get behind that as well.

You see similar here. Police patrol the "poorer" areas moreso than other areas.

Does more crime happen there though?

Are they allowed to manage their resources as such?

how do they/we stop priority policing turning into unnecessary targeting of minorities/poor people/whatever group it is?

For things like drugs use or domestic violence, I think its pretty even across the board

 

[TheReligion]

I can definitely get behind that as well.

You see similar here. Police patrol the "poorer" areas moreso than other areas.

Does more crime happen there though?

Are they allowed to manage their resources as such?

how do they/we stop priority policing turning into unnecessary targeting of minorities/poor people/whatever group it is?

All good questions. Policing operations are predominantly designed to deal with specific problems based on data trends and statistics.

 

[Sara125]

I would guess their socio economic situation was not Eton boys. One of the reasons ethnic minorities get disproportionately stop and searched is the socio economic biases

This. It’s the same as when the “does a white boy from an estate have privilege over Beyoncé just because she’s black” topic comes up. His disadvantages in life wouldn’t be because he’s white but because he’s working class.

 

[Mogget]

This kid is white. Maybe they don't discriminate and are just very very poor at their jobs

I don't think he's white, the tweet thread talks about obvious discrimination. He might be Asian

 

[Maticmaker]

stop and searched is the socio economic biases

"isn't it a blooming shame, its the rich that gets the pleasure and the poor that gets the blame... its the same the whole world over"!!

 

[Jippy]

TIL that the animal that people use to refer to the police is censored on the caf in that context. Oops, sorry. I forgot that the police are an oppressed minority

You can discuss or criticise the police all you like, but presumably that term is blocked so we have the conversation civilly and not like we're 15-year old edgelords.

 

[George Owen]

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[arnie_ni]

Madman

 

[RedTiger]

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Looks like Prince andrew

 

[NotThatSoph]

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Sure, it's a controversial policy, and there's a lot of work to be done still regarding how it affects the communities in question. Some officers are great at it, others aren’t. Some members of the public are understanding, others aren’t. However, I think you’re jumping to an awful lot of conclusions here for which there are other explanations depending on which view you choose to adopt. "Having a wank in the park" is a sensationalist headline. Appreciate your concern, though, happy to explain further if you'd like.

 

[Pexbo]

Sure, it's a controversial policy, and there's a lot of work to be done still regarding how it affects the communities in question. Some officers are great at it, others aren’t. Some members of the public are understanding, others aren’t. However, I think you’re jumping to an awful lot of conclusions here for which there are other explanations depending on which view you choose to adopt. "Having a wank in the park" is a sensationalist headline. Appreciate your concern, though, happy to explain further if you'd like.

 

[FireballXL5]

Bobby on the beat off to the cells after getting intimate with himself in a park

https://metro.co.uk/2022/04/01/met-...park-16382487/?ico=tag-post-strip_item_3_news

'Bobby on the beat off'

 

[horsechoker]

Sure, it's a controversial policy, and there's a lot of work to be done still regarding how it affects the communities in question. Some officers are great at it, others aren’t. Some members of the public are understanding, others aren’t. However, I think you’re jumping to an awful lot of conclusions here for which there are other explanations depending on which view you choose to adopt. "Having a wank in the park" is a sensationalist headline. Appreciate your concern, though, happy to explain further if you'd like.

Bobby on the beat off to the cells after getting intimate with himself in a park

https://metro.co.uk/2022/04/01/met-...park-16382487/?ico=tag-post-strip_item_3_news

'Bobby on the beat off'

 

[TheReligion]

Sure, it's a controversial policy, and there's a lot of work to be done still regarding how it affects the communities in question. Some officers are great at it, others aren’t. Some members of the public are understanding, others aren’t. However, I think you’re jumping to an awful lot of conclusions here for which there are other explanations depending on which view you choose to adopt. "Having a wank in the park" is a sensationalist headline. Appreciate your concern, though, happy to explain further if you'd like.

Bit of sly post is that. If that’s your style though fair enough!

 

[TheReligion]

Bobby on the beat off to the cells after getting intimate with himself in a park

https://metro.co.uk/2022/04/01/met-...park-16382487/?ico=tag-post-strip_item_3_news

'Bobby on the beat off'

Good headline however it was a Community Support Officer so not a Bobby so loses a bit of its magic.

 

[Pexbo]

Good headline however it was a Community Support Officer so not a Bobby so loses a bit of its magic.

ONE OF YOU
ONE OF YOU

 

[Martial'sEmergingSmile]

What's happening to society when you can no longer have a peaceful wank in the park without some creep recording you from the bushes and revenge porning you on Twitter?

World's gone.

 

[Rado_N]

Good headline however it was a Community Support Officer so not a Bobby so loses a bit of its magic.

They’re called piglets thank you very much.

 

[Conor]

Every minute spent wanking in the park is less time for them to be on the street, leave them at it I say.