The point I'm trying to make is that Woodward will still always intefere and negatively impact anyone that walks in. I'm all for getting new managers but the point is that we have to sort other issues out too.
United’s next manager
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No matter who the next manager is, we need to get quality players while we're at it. Our current squad is abysmal. Even Pep would struggle to get them in the top 4. G Neville was right the squad needs investment to the tune of 400 - 500m to compete. After the concensus that we had a disastrous last season, we've gone into this one with an even weaker squad and somehow expect to do better?! Ole is clearly not the one going forward but I feel sorry for him given the state of the squad.
The only thing he affects is transfers. An important thing, yes, but it's not the entirety of the manager's job. The day to day training, how we set up for matches, how well coached the players are, in game adjustments etc, how is Woody negatively affecting that?
Exactly. Until we do that, most of the conversations around this club are irrelevant imo.
As I said in the match day thread, Poch with Ole staying as DoF. With no DoF, it literally does not matter.
Here we go again.. why would we keep Ole as Dof? Let me guess because he loves the club.
I'd love poch, but we need someone with experience in finding players as a DOF. Whoever's been signing players for Spurs would be perfect. If I were in charge and since United have the money, I'd hire 3-5 people as a collective DOF board to deal with strategy and signinfs. And if they do poor, the club gets a yearly vote to vote them out. Basically like how big companies work - democracy and accountability.
Why would he be tempted to join end of the season ? He is only 2 months to the project he signed for. He is only 32 and would be a huge risk joining an unstable club like us. He has time in his side and will have enough opportunities in future.
Rose- could be a good choice. But again, what experience does he has ? We don't want another Ole.
You've just described the Liverpool approach. They sign players through committee. They use analytics, basically the moneyball approach.
So do Spurs: Levy, Pochettino, Steve Hitchen (Chief Scout) and the John McDermott (Head of Coaching & Player Development)
Roy Keane. Vieira as assistant
Because Manchester United is one of the 3 most prestigious clubs in world football.
Easy to say, but we can't trade on our history forever. The main obstacle to getting in a top manager in due course is the incompetence at decision making level and the lack of ambition to really compete. We've seen that in the last 6 years everyone who joins the club, manager or player, is swallowed up by this blackhole.
For anyone serious to come in there has to be a major structural change allowing for footballing expertise and authentic ambitions.
allegri or poch......
Annoyingly it depends how things pan out for Zidane at Real.
Poch is clearly reaching an endgame with Spurs right now, so we could be the lucky benefactors of that or he could go to Real and we revert to type and bring in Allegri because he's the biggest name available.
Poch is clearly reaching an endgame with Spurs right now, so we could be the lucky benefactors of that or he could go to Real and we revert to type and bring in Allegri because he's the biggest name available.
Liverpool haven't won the league for 30 years and have done alright riding on past glories and tempting Klopp.
Our footballing structure has been very dependent on the man in charge. Even in our glory years from Sir Matt to Sir Alex we relied on those figures to lead our football structure. Now I'm not saying I'm against a structural change, I most definitely am. But I don't think our current structure would put off a potential new manager when he sees the money we've splashed in the last 6 years.
Nagelsmann or Rose would become the structure.
I hear you. I think Liverpool was a slightly more romantic challenge, a sleeping giant, whereas we are an absolute clusterfeck at the moment. You might well be right though, maybe Nagelsmann would fancy it. But for him to become the structure, as you put it, Woodward would have to swallow his ego (or the Glazer cnuts would have to have footballing ambitions, pardon my french).
We need a proper tactician. Somebody who is an excellent coach first and foremost. Accompanied by a DoF/committee to help with transfers.
Eric ten hag
This is what we need for sure. Someone up and coming who is considered a hot prospect would be my choice.
I think Tuchel will be sacked if he doesn't get to the finals of the Champions League. He could be someone to take over. Poch would be my first preference but not sure if he'll leave Spurs and I think Allegri is what we'll end up with.
As long as he isn't over the hill. But yeah, a proper coach with a vision. Ideally it would be someone who has implemented his idea very well elsewhere.
So that would rule out Zidane for sure.
Exactly this.
I will only have a real sense of hope if we get a new (world class, proven) person in charge of all football related matters who can run the football matters with no obstruction of any kind by the board or Ed Woodward.
Then and only then will i be optimistic.
Until then getting new players and yet another manager is only papering over the biggest crack in the wall (Ed fecking Woodward)
Then and only then will i be optimistic.
Until then getting new players and yet another manager is only papering over the biggest crack in the wall (Ed fecking Woodward)
What has Ole done to even warrant a position as Director Of Football at Manchester United? Serious question.
Get in the best, most qualified people in these crucial positions and call it a day.
I think proven/world class is a dangerous term - whether it's talking about players or managers. Sanchez was deemed world class. As was Falcao. Schweinsteiger. Mourinho. LVG.
Obviously we need excellence. But if that comes from someone who has done an excellent job in a single job (Nagelsmann/Ajax coach) rather than success over a decade or two, that's fine by me. And I extend this to players and DoFs/technical directors. It has to be someone who has top class potential IMO. Otherwise we limit our options too much and we're not in a position where everyone is falling over themselves to join us.
It's like wanting to sign 23 year old footballers on the cusp of greatness. Of course if we can find a KDB then that's great but a Mane about to explode will do just fine. Same logic - applied to other roles.
Agree. Even if not the most qualified, but definitely people to excel in that job. Ole has done nothing to justify getting that sort of job other than "We're Man United. We play fast attacking football and bring youth through". It's not enough off the pitch just as it isn't on it, I'm afraid.
I hope we're on the lookout already.
It's a crying shame though. When Mourinho went we had the perfect chance to reset. We've just wasted an entire year for the exact same process. Fecking state of the club
It's a crying shame though. When Mourinho went we had the perfect chance to reset. We've just wasted an entire year for the exact same process. Fecking state of the club
Massimiliano Allegri，I think he is the chosen one
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I think I know the perfect manager for a squad like ours.
I haven't really been following the European leagues the past couple of years, but what do people think of Tuchel? Is he comparable to Klopp in any way?
Why did he leave Dortmund?
Why did he leave Dortmund?
Gary Neville or Ryan Giggs.
Ok I am only pissing around.
Ok I am only pissing around.
And that's the very reason why Nagelsmann already rejected Real Madrid's offer last summer. He is a smart guy and knows that he can end up like Andre Villas-Boas who at the age of 41 currently looks like a veteran coach and knows that his best years are gone
Those wanting Ole out can piss off. Changing managers every few seasons has undoubtedly not been good for the club in recent times.
Ole clearly has a plan and is not going to ask the board to loosen the strings or keep on players that don't fit the United system or want to play for United.
Yes most of the players in the current squad are not United starter standard but those do not appear overnight and by adding 2/3 players a window, plus improving the ones we have got, we will be in a better place in time.
Ole clearly has a plan and is not going to ask the board to loosen the strings or keep on players that don't fit the United system or want to play for United.
Yes most of the players in the current squad are not United starter standard but those do not appear overnight and by adding 2/3 players a window, plus improving the ones we have got, we will be in a better place in time.
Because Ole 'gets' the club and you cannot disrespect a club legend!!
*Sarcasm by the way*
FFS Right now you could have a juggling monkey, Ben Affleck or the Holy Ghost as our manager, and it wouldn’t matter with the current squad. Get us a CF, Two CM and a RW, then we can discuss the manager situation.
Can we have a poll?
Sure
Forgot white text mate.