If that's true then LVG should be allowed to bring anyone he wants. I understand that Giggs will be involved (a good idea IMO), but van Gaal should decide about the others by himself. I don't see a reason why Warren Joyce would be replaced.
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Unfortunately I tend to agree with this, unless Pep or Mourinho are coming then Giggs is going to be bigger than any manager we are going to appoint, and I don't think that's particularly healthy.
I'd rather Giggs went elsewhere and became manager. Go start in championship.
You would prefer Giggs as permanent manager over Van Gaal?
Giggs has only been a coach for this season ffs. Think he has the makings of a great manger, but not now. We need to go for proven class.
Nobody want rid of them, however we don't want it to be a choice between a world class manager with experienced coaching staff or the old boys club. What worried me slightly was the just go out and enjoy yourself. Yes it was nice to watch, but it was Norwich. Do they have the experience to change their tactics to suit different games. They cannot have that attitude every game, otherwise we will be in trouble against teams with savy managers. Someone on MUTV has said give them a years contract as see how they get on. Bloody hell
Getting rid of Giggs is a sure fire way to be unpopular from the off.
A smart manager will keep him on board. Moyes had this plan but didn't manage it.
Having Giggs around could be hindrance for LVG. I know Van Gaal has a strong personality but it will be the other influences putting pressure on him by using Giggs.
It's difficult to say what should happen with the coaching system, it's pretty certain that Kluivert will become an assistant and bring in the video analyst. It would be nice to see Giggs, Scholes, Butt & Neville stay in and around the first team but depends what influence they have. Also Melusteen should be brought back to help with the tactical aspect of training.
It's difficult to say what should happen with the coaching system, it's pretty certain that Kluivert will become an assistant and bring in the video analyst. It would be nice to see Giggs, Scholes, Butt & Neville stay in and around the first team but depends what influence they have. Also Melusteen should be brought back to help with the tactical aspect of training.
The failure of Ferguson's succession was in not hiring proven class; the ultimate failure being that the most outstanding candidate of all was available and willing and we went with said useless oaf... and now we're on the cusp of fu*king everything up again. Literally unbelievable.
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I think this will be done by the end of the week. There is no way that Utd or LVG will refuse to budge either way.
Most of our squad is going to have a massive learning curve trying to adapt to Van Gaals football, most of them having played under Fergie all there career and David Moyes for a year. Football which is quite different from what Van Gaal wants his teams to play. It would help having a coaching staff who know Van Gaals vision of football, rather than a group trying to learn on the job.
You think the buzz from one game would stop us appointing a manager? There may be debate on van gaal's back room staff, but it certainly won't be a deal breaker.
Club are quite right to want involvement from "their own". God, think of the criticism Moyes got for discarding the previous coaching set up. The club want to ensure they have presence in the new set up. There is nothing wrong with that. We should be preparing giggs for the next position and I fully expect it will happen.
The clique needs to be broken up. Vidic is going anyway. If I were the new manager then Rio would be first out of the door. Evra would have to go too. With those three gone Giggs would have much reduced power among the playing staff. I think that Van Gaal is a strong enough character to put Giggs in his box.
Let's remember that Giggs was Moyes's shadow in the early days. I think that if we are playing good football then the players and Giggs will be happy anyway. Under Ferguson the players were happy because he gave them confidence to play attacking football. Moyes brought unenjoyable training and negativity to preparations, it was the opposite of what the players were used to and they didn't respond.
I wonder whose idea this is. If it's Ferguson (possible) than he may have some serious trust problems. However, I don't see Glazers letting LVG go to Spurs, this is done deal IMO.
Yes, only due to our incessant sentimentality overruling important footballing decisions.
We really can't be this sentimental and short sighted. Seriously.
I'm sure they'll sort this - it's probably a small blip that'll be resolved but is being made to be a huge issue.
I'm sure they'll sort this - it's probably a small blip that'll be resolved but is being made to be a huge issue.
Glazers wont have the faintest clue about van gaal, the class of 92, ancelotti, hell they probably had to have a good think as to who this , Brian Giggs bloke is.
It will all be down to woodward. Its him who will want proven success, also to show moyes wasnt his mistake
Or you could tell me about it?
I'm with the club on this. I'm sure I read van Gaal wanted to bring a physio and fitness coach? I don't see the need. And I'd like the class of '92 to be involved in some capacity. Not running the show, but involved. Yes he must have some of his own men, but wholesale changes are unnecessary.
Wholesale changes from when, a week ago?
I think Fergy himself stated that recently or something like that. Either way it sounds familar.
On topic - Romantisicm has cost us a season already, please Glazers, lets not do that again.
Van Gaal wants Rooney out I reckon.
You don't see the need for it, based on no evidence.
What if he does, based on his observations and experience?
The lads have been there for ONE WEEK. "Wholesale changes" ffs.
True, that definetely proved costly.
I think I worded that first part a wrong but I can't really put it any better than that. What I meant by it was, if Giggs is now manager in waiting so to speak, wasn't there a way he could have been added to the staff sooner? There probably wasn't because I'm sure I read somewhere that Ferguson did have Giggs in mind to take over, but his long career didn't help or something along them lines.
This. Everybody is making out that Giggs is some sort of trouble-maker, waiting for any chance to undermine the manager. He actually stayed very loyal to Moyes until things became utterly untenable. There's no evidence that he was causing any kind of disruption - I'm sure he'd be delighted to work under and learn from somebody like LVG.
Just sign the guy already!!! I don't give a feck on what he asks as long as it involves adapting our footballing philosophy to the reality of modern football proper of this decade.
Agreed. Giggs has always been a good natured,patient man. Learning under LVG seems like something he'd enjoy doing.
I think the exact opposite, Butt, Giggs, Scholes and Neville have little to no experience (in coaching), sentimental stuff aside they aren't qualified for the job. You could probably keep 1-2 on and let them learn from somebody like LVG but 4 of them is asking for trouble imo. If he's got international quality coaches he wants to bring and we are haggling over keeping Nicky Butt on then I worry tbh.
To be brutally honest, I wouldn't trust Ryan Giggs as far as I could throw him. I can just imagine him keeping Rio on, Rooney on. All his mates. Yes they might be his mates, including the coaching staff, but he could just as likely throw them under the bus.
Relax, there's no rush. Wait till end of season when we may have one or two more candidates to look at.
How are we on the cusp of f**king it up? By not appointing someone no one wanted 12 months ago?
You say that, but go back a few years and we always talked about how we should have somebody internal primed for a smooth transition. Not players generally, but it was certainly talked about with the likes of Queiroz, and going back to Mclaren and Kidd.
When the time finally came, we didn't have anybody in place at all. Looking back at the names above we probably dodged a bullet, tbf (if only to be hit by a different bullet).
This club can be far too sentimental for it own good sometimes.
The transition towards being Liverpool continues at pace.
Well I wouldn't have been too happy to hand over the reins to people who have gone on to prove not very good manager. McClaren has had his moments but the other two are disasters as managers.
Do you understand the phrase "dodge a bullet"?
By not getting the best man available and being lumbered with Giggs, for feck's sake.
Van Gaal would've been no-one's first choice 12 months ago, clearly (with the likes of Mourinho in the mix), but 100% of people would have taken him over Giggs.
MUTV kept bringing Liverpool up, the boot room etc. However when they promoted from within, except for Dalglish, they all had years of coaching experience within the club. The scenario here is nothing like that. MUTV won't let facts get in the way of sentiment.
Whoops, sorry yes I do and yes we did.
Have I missed something? The only thing I've read is the club have held positive talks with Van Gaal and now want to interview other candidates, like Diego Simeone. Given how the last appointment turned out, an interview process seems like a good idea to me.
Don't make him out to some sort of saint, he an arsehole, just remember that. A legend as a footballer, but as a person, an arsehole.
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