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Playing Miki as a number 10 does not imo bring out the best in our record signing Paul Pogba. Keep Miki roaming from the right
Why is there a chance we might get him? Does Bayern have a surplus number of wingers of his quality? I know Coman is nowhere near, Robben and Ribery are at the wrong side of age, Gotze left so unless there is something else I don't think anyone would get him, let alone us.Douglas Costa can play at an incredible level on both flanks, is at the perfect age (26), and there might be a chance to sign him in the summer from Bayern.
Sample for RW at Shakhtar:
Sample for LW at Bayern:
Ideally, we should aim for one of the best (he comes across as a better and more proven traditional winger than Mahrez), and has good European experience, too - 50+ CL and Europa League appearances. Plus, he's actually fast - like one of the fastest players in the world (on the ball) level fast, and has crazy technique even at that warp speed. Could be what Di María initially promised to be at United. Played with Mkhitaryan for a couple season, too, IIRC, so there might be some residual chemistry there.
EDIT: Aha!
http://shakhtar.com/en/news/27119
Eventually, so just don't play him until then? How often do we go 3 up? Very rarely, you'd rather Rashford only got to play a couple hundred minutes over the season than the current 1600 he has? Kelechi has only got to play half of the time Rashford has. How is giving him half the playing time going to be better for his development? He has got to play up top a few times in the absence of Zlatan but that simply isn't enough time and Rashford is too good to be sitting on the bench the whole time when he can offer something from the wings as well. A position he has played for much of his life.Eventually, yes. What would be great is to take off Zlatan for him after we go 3 up or so and keep using him there for a while. He should be used like kelechi who comes in primary as an striker.
He is long gone.Gotze looks like he's leaving
Bernando Silva will be my other choice too. He's been amazing and is very quick.Bernardo Silva. He has pace, he has vision, can play both as a typical winger and also as a wide playmaker on the right. Could be great in line with Mkhitaryan a AMC and Martial on LW.
All valid points. My only fear is, he may lose the knack of playing as a ST. We tried playing martial up top couple of games back and he was clueless, became better once he was switched to the wings. Most would have predicted Martial to do good up top.Eventually, so just don't play him until then? How often do we go 3 up? Very rarely, you'd rather Rashford only got to play a couple hundred minutes over the season than the current 1600 he has? Kelechi has only got to play half of the time Rashford has. How is giving him half the playing time going to be better for his development? He has got to play up top a few times in the absence of Zlatan but that simply isn't enough time and Rashford is too good to be sitting on the bench the whole time when he can offer something from the wings as well. A position he has played for much of his life.
He'll lose the knack of playing as a ST sitting on the bench all season too. Martial has always been better on the wing.All valid points. My only fear is, he may lose the knack of playing as a ST. We tried playing martial up top couple of games back and he was clueless, became better once he was switched to the wings. Most would have predicted Martial to do good up top.
Strange as I just saw him play for Dortmund in the first half of the season. My memory of him fades after his second season at Bayern I thinkHe is long gone.
Rumors of slight discontent:Why is there a chance we might get him?
There aren't that many actual wingers left in the game. This is the era of inverted wingers and wingbacks. Wingers of the mould of Valencia or Giggs in their prime are extremely rare these days.We need actual wingers. Sick of all these number 10s shoehorned out wide.
Apparently his lack of size and pace mean he's a coward and too easily shrugged off the ball, or something.No. Mata must play every game.
We play our best football with him and he always contributes to a goal.
No idea why some people want him out of the team so badly. No pace/defence? Thats rubbish. His workrate is brilliant for us. Much better than when he was at Chelsea. I wouldn't even swap him for Ozil, Silva or De Bruyne. Those guys don't perform in the big games as much as Juan does.
That's just not true. All it takes is a manager telling his right footed player to play on the right. They are still everywhere. Conversely, there are very few players who can consistently produce as inverted wingers.There aren't that many actual wingers left in the game. This is the era of inverted wingers and wingbacks. Wingers of the mould of Valencia or Giggs in their prime are extremely rare these days.
That is just flat out wrong. Martial is clueless on the right. Robben has never cut it on the left. Ribery has been mostly awful on the right. There is a huge difference playing as an inverted winger or as an out and out winger. The skillset is completely different. For an out and out winger you need to be really good at running with the ball at high speed and crossing at speed. The exception being Beckham as he could make a perfect cross from the midfield line.That's just not true. All it takes is a manager telling his right footed player to play on the right. They are still everywhere. Conversely, there are very few players who can consistently produce as inverted wingers.
So you named Martial, Robben and Ribery. Great, I'll add Eden Hazard for you too. Pep is already switching to standard wingers with speed in Sterling and Sane as his fullbacks aren't good enough to contribute. It's the same problem for us and we just aren't switching. Pedro brings incredible balance to Chelsea from the right. Same with Mane for Liverpool. We have a player in Rashford that could bring that element to our team while keeping Martial on the other side.That is just flat out wrong. Martial is clueless on the right. Robben has never cut it on the left. Ribery has been mostly awful on the right. There is a huge difference playing as an inverted winger or as an out and out winger. The skillset is completely different. For an out and out winger you need to be really good at running with the ball at high speed and crossing at speed. The exception being Beckham as he could make a perfect cross from the midfield line.
Is that Dortmund's Dembele, the one they paid shitloads for?If Griezmann comes then Mkhi will play there. I think we should go all out for Ousmane Dembele though, nailed on future Ballon d'or winner.
He plays left wing for Athletico though.Carrasco is the dream.
He'll play on the left for us.He plays left wing for Athletico though.
The problem is that Dembélé chose Dortmund for a good reason and he isn't going to change his plans in the near future.In my opinion the best choice and the dream choice would be Ousmane Dembele.
I wouldn't call 15 million € 'shitloads'.Is that Dortmund's Dembele, the one they paid shitloads for?
I do wonder why he moved so cheaply when every man and his dog was talking him up last summer. Definitely something suspicious going on there.In my opinion the best choice and the dream choice would be Ousmane Dembele.
Out of interest, what exactly is that good reason? Is the pressure sufficiently off at Dortmund for him to play with some freedom? Did he feel he wasn't ready to play as a first team regular for a big club with high expectations?The problem is that Dembélé chose Dortmund for a good reason and he isn't going to change his plans in the near future.
We don't need pace. We need quality. Mata is a much better option than most pacey wingers in the Prem who have no end product.Apparently his lack of size and pace mean he's a coward and too easily shrugged off the ball, or something.
Even though he was only dispossessed twice against Leicester.
I don't really know but he was apparently willing to forget about his signing bonus.Out of interest, what exactly is that good reason? Is the pressure sufficiently off at Dortmund for him to play with some freedom? Did he feel he wasn't ready to play as a first team regular for a big club with high expectations?
Hmm, I seem to remember reading that it could triple with clauses or something, thought it was quite a bit by Dortmund's standards. But I may have been drunk and/or reading a shite source.I wouldn't call 15 million € 'shitloads'.
I do wonder why he moved so cheaply when every man and his dog was talking him up last summer. Definitely something suspicious going on there.
Out of interest, what exactly is that good reason? Is the pressure sufficiently off at Dortmund for him to play with some freedom? Did he feel he wasn't ready to play as a first team regular for a big club with high expectations?
It was to do with agents and Dortmund putting pressure on him I think. Saw this headline on the Guardian the other day but could t be bothered reading the article.I don't really know but he was apparently willing to forget about his signing bonus.